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J i m
Hi.

I've been thinking of trading in my Fiesta for a Focus.

I've homed in on one of the later Mk1 3rd TDCi hatchbacks. I've selected this because a 3dr hatch is ample for me, the diesel engine has better fuel economy than the 1.6 Zetec Se engine in my Fiesta and also the insurance group is cheaper.

So all in all it should cost less to run (famous last words).

I have do have one question though, it might sound a bit silly. Does anyone one which models the full trip computer comes as standard? My Fiesta only has a simple trip-meter, it does not show for instance average MPG, Instantaneous Fuel Economy, Miles/Kilometers Until Fillup (Range), Outside Ambient Air Temperature, Average Speed etc.

I understand this is the same for some of the focus models as well but I can only seem to find info that says that the Ghia models come with the full trip computer fitted as standard.

Now I know this isn't exactly a vital feature, but it is one I'd like, and I'd also like to avoid the hassle of having to source the various bits n bobs and having to mess about with the wiring loom to fit one.

So if anyone knows please do tell :)
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='18 February 2010 - 11:00 AM' timestamp='1266490235' post='65575']
Hi.

I've been thinking of trading in my Fiesta for a Focus.

I've homed in on one of the later Mk1 3rd TDCi hatchbacks. I've selected this because a 3dr hatch is ample for me, the diesel engine has better fuel economy than the 1.6 Zetec Se engine in my Fiesta and also the insurance group is cheaper.

So all in all it should cost less to run (famous last words).

I have do have one question though, it might sound a bit silly. Does anyone one which models the full trip computer comes as standard? My Fiesta only has a simple trip-meter, it does not show for instance average MPG, Instantaneous Fuel Economy, Miles/Kilometers Until Fillup (Range), Outside Ambient Air Temperature, Average Speed etc.

I understand this is the same for some of the focus models as well but I can only seem to find info that says that the Ghia models come with the full trip computer fitted as standard.

Now I know this isn't exactly a vital feature, but it is one I'd like, and I'd also like to avoid the hassle of having to source the various bits n bobs and having to mess about with the wiring loom to fit one.

So if anyone knows please do tell [img]http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
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only the ghia has them fitting one isnt hard all you do is take the clock surround off and feel behind it the plug for the computer if you have it will be taped at the back somewhere then you hit a scrapyard get the face tyhe computer outside temp sensor the light stalk with the trip button on it and the screenwash bottle with the level indicator in it fittings a simple case of plugging it all in to be honest thay arent much use anyway the ones that do work dont for long the readout is optomistic dont have one never needed one i wouldnt base my selection on these computers mate they aint all that usefull
jeebowhite
Plus the fact that its more hassle than its worth to add all these parts in, the MK2's computer is bog standard doesnt have all the features its advertised with. Your probably better buying a one with a computer, then it saves you the hassle...
artscot79
[quote name='jeebowhite' date='18 February 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1266508887' post='65607']
Plus the fact that its more hassle than its worth to add all these parts in, the MK2's computer is bog standard doesnt have all the features its advertised with. Your probably better buying a one with a computer, then it saves you the hassle...
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all the parts 40 quid from a scrappy and took me an hour to fit it all to be honest after it was done i wondered why he bothered the info it gives is poor anyway and quite frankly people should be able to judge from the fuel gauge how much fuel they have so i dont really see the point
ford focus edge
If you want a 3door with a trip computer its gota be a home done jobby the only ones that came with it as standard where the ghia's which only came in 5dr 4dr and estate variants. Also personal oponion but im a bit of a heavey footed driver and the 100bhp tdci is as nippy as treacle pouring out of a tin, the 115bhp is a MUST it acctually shifts preaty quickly lol.

Mike
J i m
Hehehe yeah... I was coming to that conclusion myself, mainly brought about by the "Ghia" only appearing next to 5dr models.

I still want a 3dr though, and people say that it's a fairly easy mod to do, so I'll probably do that.

I probably will eer towards the 115bhp, but I'm the opposite of you, I'm a light footed driver, I barley have to rest my foot on the throttle in the 1.6 Fiesta and it just goes, the motorway is the worst because you're cruising along happily... then you look at the speedo and suddenly realise your'e doing about 95, when it only feels like 65!

I'm also light on the brake pedal, my Fiesta still has it's original discs and pads. Which reminds me... If I go through my with my plan... I will have most likely traded a car with relatively low mileage for one which has done probably double the mileage.

The pro's to that though is better fuel economy and cheaper insurance. What tax band does the Focus TDCi 115 fall under?
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='19 February 2010 - 11:00 AM' timestamp='1266576604' post='65722']
Hehehe yeah... I was coming to that conclusion myself, mainly brought about by the "Ghia" only appearing next to 5dr models.

I still want a 3dr though, and people say that it's a fairly easy mod to do, so I'll probably do that.

I probably will eer towards the 115bhp, but I'm the opposite of you, I'm a light footed driver, I barley have to rest my foot on the throttle in the 1.6 Fiesta and it just goes, the motorway is the worst because you're cruising along happily... then you look at the speedo and suddenly realise your'e doing about 95, when it only feels like 65!

I'm also light on the brake pedal, my Fiesta still has it's original discs and pads. Which reminds me... If I go through my with my plan... I will have most likely traded a car with relatively low mileage for one which has done probably double the mileage.

The pro's to that though is better fuel economy and cheaper insurance. What tax band does the Focus TDCi 115 fall under?
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Try just settle for a zetec with the climate pack on or an edge (same as a zetec just got bigger alloys and a rear spoiler). I'm aware this is going to sound biast as i have an edge but thats the one id go for again the 115bhp is the only diesel engine you can have and i prefer the alloys, spoiler, seat design etc anddd there usually newer (2004-2005 only). As for the tax bands just have a nose on parkers that will tell you everything about specs and engine stats etc so you get a better idea of what trim and engine to choose from.

Mike
J i m
Parkers seems to be having a few problems with the interweb today, so Autotrader to the rescue!

That's another good reason to trade in my Fiesta 1.6 for a Focus TDCi, the road tax is about 50 cheaper a year.

I'd quite like to opt for the Edge, but a Zetec would do as the Edge puts about 40 extra on the insurance.

Now I just need to actually get the budget :(
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='19 February 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1266587523' post='65764']
Parkers seems to be having a few problems with the interweb today, so Autotrader to the rescue!

That's another good reason to trade in my Fiesta 1.6 for a Focus TDCi, the road tax is about 50 cheaper a year.

I'd quite like to opt for the Edge, but a Zetec would do as the Edge puts about 40 extra on the insurance.

Now I just need to actually get the budget :(
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Lol never new the edge was more expensive to insure il admit when i went to buy mine i didnt go to look at the one i bought i was after a 1.8 lx in magnum grey but my trusty edge was parked right next to it and i immeditaly dived on it. Is your fez an automatic or a zetec-s bdw/

Mike
J i m
My fiesta has the 1.6 Zetec Se engine, manual box, the car is the freestyle range.
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='19 February 2010 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1266602790' post='65817']
My fiesta has the 1.6 Zetec Se engine, manual box, the car is the freestyle range.
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just to state the trip computer mod is easy to do if the car has the wiring behind the dash not all cars do im lucky my zetec has wiring for electric mirrors trip computers etc some dont its a hit or miss and short of removing the dash cover you cant tell
wilberforce
[quote name='J i m' date='19 February 2010 - 11:00 AM' timestamp='1266576604' post='65722']
The pro's to that though is better fuel economy and cheaper insurance. What tax band does the Focus TDCi 115 fall under?
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If you get the 115tdci, you'll become a hooligan just like me. ;)

I pay 125 for road tax.

Spend the money, you won't regret it, but it costs me 57 to fill the tank abut it last almost 500 miles.
ford focus edge
Just got a few quotes for me on a 04plate 1.8tdci ghia 115bhp (18yr old student, 1yrs no claims, mum and dad on my car, fully comp with 500 excess, 3 points) bear in mind its 1 insurance group higher than my 1.6 which im paying 990 to insure .... 1,589.70 WHAT THE F*** :blink:

Mike
J i m
Hehe I'm already a hooligan, well in a kart anyway :P

The good news is that the focus tdci is going to be cheaper to run in pretty much every way than my Fiesta. I'll be going from insurance group 8 to 6, which saves about 50, then road tax band I to F again saving about 50, and I'll be getting [I]upto[/I] 20 more miles per gallon than I am now, though I know mpg is very much dependant on how you drive and the load of the car.

But I will be getting essentially a better car, yet one that costs less to run than my current fiesta. Well I'm at least trying to rationalise a blantant desire for a different car anyway :D
J i m
[quote name='ford focus edge' date='21 February 2010 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1266779647' post='66179']
Just got a few quotes for me on a 04plate 1.8tdci ghia 115bhp (18yr old student, 1yrs no claims, mum and dad on my car, fully comp with 500 excess, 3 points) bear in mind its 1 insurance group higher than my 1.6 which im paying 990 to insure .... 1,589.70 WHAT THE F*** :blink:

Mike
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hmm well, yeah you're in a higher risk catergory. My first car a 1.2 Nova cost me about 1200 to to insure 3rd party fire + theft back in 2001. You'll find if all goes well, i,e don't make any claims it will come down every year.

I have 7 years no claims (would have had 9, but the nova got stolen) but the premiums basically got cheaper for me every year until this year, when it actually went up a bit. But I guess I'm at an age and experience level when it can't actually get cheaper and inflation takes over.

Always a good idea to shop around for quotes as well, and these comparison websites don't always produce the cheapest quotes because some companies opt out of them because of the commission they charge.
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='21 February 2010 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1266780740' post='66190']
hmm well, yeah you're in a higher risk catergory. My first car a 1.2 Nova cost me about 1200 to to insure 3rd party fire + theft back in 2001. You'll find if all goes well, i,e don't make any claims it will come down every year.

I have 7 years no claims (would have had 9, but the nova got stolen) but the premiums basically got cheaper for me every year until this year, when it actually went up a bit. But I guess I'm at an age and experience level when it can't actually get cheaper and inflation takes over.

Always a good idea to shop around for quotes as well, and these comparison websites don't always produce the cheapest quotes because some companies opt out of them because of the commission they charge.
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well sorry to say edge butto an insurance company youre high risk on anything bigger than a kitchen blender christ i pay 300 and odds a year fully comp with courtesy car breakdown and legal ive never ever had a qoute more than 600 quid even when i passed my test wipe those eyes its the points thats killing you to the insurance youre a constant speeder who is highly likely toi cause an accident lose youre licence you wont find many companies who will even entertain you and the ones that do will ask for silly money so slow down man think how it will feel losing the licence then youll have to do a theory again and a minimum of 10 lessons b4 you can go for a retest all money monety money
ford focus edge
[quote name='artscot79' date='21 February 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1266782555' post='66196']
well sorry to say edge butto an insurance company youre high risk on anything bigger than a kitchen blender christ i pay 300 and odds a year fully comp with courtesy car breakdown and legal ive never ever had a qoute more than 600 quid even when i passed my test wipe those eyes its the points thats killing you to the insurance youre a constant speeder who is highly likely toi cause an accident lose youre licence you wont find many companies who will even entertain you and the ones that do will ask for silly money so slow down man think how it will feel losing the licence then youll have to do a theory again and a minimum of 10 lessons b4 you can go for a retest all money monety money
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I know but still 1,500 for a focus DIESEL :( all for the sake of one night's mistake saying that it could of been much worse and since i must admit ive backed right off. Sticking to the speedlimit just getting there quite quickly if the roads empty. Higest quote ive ever had was about 12k for my little edge just after i passed my test and no thats not a joke lol. Roal on next january can get 12 points then.

Mike
artscot79
[quote name='ford focus edge' date='21 February 2010 - 08:27 PM' timestamp='1266783461' post='66203']
I know but still 1,500 for a focus DIESEL [img]http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img] all for the sake of one night's mistake saying that it could of been much worse and since i must admit ive backed right off. Sticking to the speedlimit just getting there quite quickly if the roads empty. Higest quote ive ever had was about 12k for my little edge just after i passed my test and no thats not a joke lol. Roal on next january can get 12 points then.

Mike
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theres a lot of companies that dont accept 2 points now even if you didnt get banned you want to behave until they points are cleared my pal just lost his 6mnths ago hes had to pay for all the lessons he has to take etc now he has a 1.0 litre corsa and even that at the cheapest qoute he could ghet is 950 quid a year thats a standard 1999 corsa the insurance cost more than the car and he had a hell of a time who would touch him with 12 points now hes stuck to driving craop he acnt modify and being over taken by pensioners he went through a list of cars and that was litteraly all he could get insured on so behave man before youre not a focus owner you end up a corsa driver i aint talking to you
ford focus edge
[quote name='artscot79' date='21 February 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1266783811' post='66205']
theres a lot of companies that dont accept 2 points now even if you didnt get banned you want to behave until they points are cleared my pal just lost his 6mnths ago hes had to pay for all the lessons he has to take etc now he has a 1.0 litre corsa and even that at the cheapest qoute he could ghet is 950 quid a year thats a standard 1999 corsa the insurance cost more than the car and he had a hell of a time who would touch him with 12 points now hes stuck to driving craop he acnt modify and being over taken by pensioners he went through a list of cars and that was litteraly all he could get insured on so behave man before youre not a focus owner you end up a corsa driver i aint talking to you
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If i became a corsa driver dont worry i wouldant speak to myself id rather catch cancer and as im sure you'll all agree thats something! After being chased down by a T5 cant really say as im going to be doing it in the near or distant future touch wood i nearly droped my licence when i handed it over i was physically shaking that much (yes im a wimp). And i had a list when i was looking for a car and there were the usual 1.2 polo's etc but my mum wouldant let me have anything smaller than a focus god bless overbearing parents.

Mike
J i m
Lol.... luckily I have a clean license... always have, and hopefully (touches wood) always will.
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='21 February 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1266788299' post='66263']
Lol.... luckily I have a clean license... always have, and hopefully (touches wood) always will.
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i wish i was bought a 1.2 punto actually it was a good car never let me dow had it till it was rear ended at that time 78k on the clock and not a spot of trouble in 40k miles so far my focus is the dearest car ive bought saw it wanted it dont like 3 doors just 2 impractical when you have kids if i didnt have kids it would be a 3 door but saw my focus and knew it was the one i wanted could have had the ghia but too much on them to go wrong i wanted as impler car no aircon to knacker up could have ghad the diesel but it was a saloon and green plug ugly looking thing mine was just in tucked in the corner had to haggle to get her but glad i did people can say what they like about fords but its better than my passat was a lot of the guys on the vw forum had got rid of fords for v then wished they hadnt when things kept needing fixed and replaced
J i m
I'd love a Volkswagon or Audi. Problem with them though is that they are simply more expensive, more expensive and more expensive to service.
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='21 February 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1266788948' post='66270']
I'd love a Volkswagon or Audi. Problem with them though is that they are simply more expensive, more expensive and more expensive to service.
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dont they are sxxt for one there are more sensors on them than the starship enterprise and vw take 60 quid before its even on the ramps the parts are ridiculously priced the whole front end of the car hads to come off to do the timing belt and tensioners which fail regularly a big and involved job vw price 600 independant 400 and unless youre really good with engines and timing forget it as they arent marked lucky my mate can do it so a few pints paid for that the aircon pumps are failing drasticallyleaving a 700 quid bill to get it fixed thats a dity price vw want 1300 quid the suspension set up is mad theres 4 arms on each front strut costing 30 quid an arm to replace the climatronic always fails 4 spark plugs at the cheapest come in at at least 35 quid and 50 for the leads mine had a full vw dealer history my mates audi has so many reciepts it looks like the lord of the rings novel hes spent in the last year on wear and taer items over 1000quid doing the work himself i had enough fixing mine every week then they leak through the pollen filter except when they do the control module that works all interior electrics alarm windows climatronic/aircon gets soaked if youre lucky no damage if not a new one and thats expensive to fix door wiring always breaks meaning you cant get doors open to fix them without damaging the door card to get it off so new door cards needed the list goes on honestly never believe the hype unless you have cash to burn leave vw and audi and seat well alone
J i m
I used to be apprentice mechanic (didn't see it through, long story). Anyhoo the dealership I worked for sold and serviced Jaguar, but we had a dealership of the same group that did Mazda around the corner.

The Mazda garage was only small, so they'd often nip round to use our workshop to do tyres for example. Sometimes we'd nip over there if we needed to borrow a bit of kit from them. I remember having a lengthy conversation with one of them as they were servicing one of the Mazdas. And we came to the conclusion that basically the only difference between the two marques from a servicing point of view was that the Jaguar has significantly more noughts in the price before the decimal point and usually after another higher value digit.

And I think that rings true for the industry in general, Prestige isn't always quality.

The garage I worked for charged about 90 per hour labour. That was back in 2002, it's probably significantly more now. I've been out of the industry since about mid 2003 I think.
artscot79
[quote name='J i m' date='21 February 2010 - 10:21 PM' timestamp='1266790292' post='66284']
I used to be apprentice mechanic (didn't see it through, long story). Anyhoo the dealership I worked for sold and serviced Jaguar, but we had a dealership of the same group that did Mazda around the corner.

The Mazda garage was only small, so they'd often nip round to use our workshop to do tyres for example. Sometimes we'd nip over there if we needed to borrow a bit of kit from them. I remember having a lengthy conversation with one of them as they were servicing one of the Mazdas. And we came to the conclusion that basically the only difference between the two marques from a servicing point of view was that the Jaguar has significantly more noughts in the price before the decimal point and usually after another higher value digit.

And I think that rings true for the industry in general, Prestige isn't always quality.

The garage I worked for charged about 90 per hour labour. That was back in 2002, it's probably significantly more now. I've been out of the industry since about mid 2003 I think.
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dont get me wrong the vw can do silly mileage but the cost of keeping it maintained is ridiculous i know a few people who had them 7 of us none of us have vw anymore we all sold them now we have nissan 2 of 1 skoda octavia 3 fords and a hyundai nopne of us will ever buy a vw or audi again even my hairdresser got rid of hers when it went for a service and she got a qoute for 1100 quid some of the most reliable cars ive had have been the cheapest like my dads old hyundai accent he bought in 1995 i got it after the punto was pranged i had it with 80k on the clock no major faults no big repairs no rust and it started every time while the rest of the cars struggled through the winters it wa worth about 200 quid no electric windows ort aircon no abs etc yet it handled well and was really nippy at the garage i worked at from the cars we had in i wouldnt buy ford kas pugeots of any kind or citroens nor vw or audi they were by far the majority that came in and all the bills were big ggod we were on first name terms with ahlf the customers you would see them at lleast 2 times every month
J i m
Been at a Hartwell dealership across the past couple of days. They only had 1 mk1 Focus that met my criteria. 04 year 3 door hatch, 1.8 TDCi sport, 70'000 miles, would have been nice to have it, but they were asking 5485 for it, (which is a bit much for me atm) and we were unable to agree a deal.

Hopefully I'll be checking out 2003 Focus 1.8 TDCi Zetec fo 3490 on Monday, this one has done 53'000 miles, and owing to fact that it isn't the sport or edge version is slightly less to insure than the car I didn't buy today.

Have to drive 100 miles just to go and see it though! There aren't too many examples that meet my fairly tight criteria though, so I guess I have to be willing to travel around a bit to find "the one".
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='27 February 2010 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1267275203' post='67551']
Been at a Hartwell dealership across the past couple of days. They only had 1 mk1 Focus that met my criteria. 04 year 3 door hatch, 1.8 TDCi sport, 70'000 miles, would have been nice to have it, but they were asking 5485 for it, (which is a bit much for me atm) and we were unable to agree a deal.

Hopefully I'll be checking out 2003 Focus 1.8 TDCi Zetec fo 3490 on Monday, this one has done 53'000 miles, and owing to fact that it isn't the sport or edge version is slightly less to insure than the car I didn't buy today.

Have to drive 100 miles just to go and see it though! There aren't too many examples that meet my fairly tight criteria though, so I guess I have to be willing to travel around a bit to find "the one".
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I know the feeling my dads hunting about for a blue mondeo st220 hatch there like hens teeth most seem to be down south :( if the car seems good and isnt exactly 3000 miles away its usually worth travling luckily for me though the dealer was 11 miles away :P

Mike
J i m
I'll finally be taking ownership of my 53 plate, Focus 1.8 TDCi Zetec on Monday! :D

Flame red.... back to "Rosso corsa" after 5 years of "BRG" for me :lol: It will actually be my 3rd red car, having had 1 white, 1 blue & 1 green in my previous history.
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='19 March 2010 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1269034794' post='72606']
I'll finally be taking ownership of my 53 plate, Focus 1.8 TDCi Zetec on Monday! :D

Flame red.... back to "Rosso corsa" after 5 years of "BRG" for me :lol: It will actually be my 3rd red car, having had 1 white, 1 blue & 1 green in my previous history.
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Waheyyy you've bought a real ford :P quite like flame red on the focus stands out abit more is it the 100bhp or the 115bhp though ;)

Mike
J i m
It's a 115 bhp. Both more powerful and more torque than the 1.6 petrol in the fez. But probably more due the extra weight a slightly slower 0-60 time. But if it feels anything like the fez in terms of engine feel then I'll be very happy with it.

This will be the first time I've driven a diesel since passing my test back in 2001. And experience of that diesel Corsa led me to expect a heavier feel to the controls. Not a bit of it! Yesterday when I was sitting in it and playing with the interior I noticed that the clutch pedal was actually lighter than the clutch in my petrol fez.

Plus from an ergonomic point of view, one thing that has always really annoyed me about the fez is that in pretty much any driving position the steering wheel blocks the "60-70mph" part of the speedo... I sat in the drivers seat in the Focus and that was the first thing I looked for. Not a bit of it.

I think I'm going to enjoy this car :D
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='20 March 2010 - 09:33 AM' timestamp='1269077005' post='72675']
It's a 115 bhp. Both more powerful and more torque than the 1.6 petrol in the fez. But probably more due the extra weight a slightly slower 0-60 time. But if it feels anything like the fez in terms of engine feel then I'll be very happy with it.

This will be the first time I've driven a diesel since passing my test back in 2001. And experience of that diesel Corsa led me to expect a heavier feel to the controls. Not a bit of it! Yesterday when I was sitting in it and playing with the interior I noticed that the clutch pedal was actually lighter than the clutch in my petrol fez.

Plus from an ergonomic point of view, one thing that has always really annoyed me about the fez is that in pretty much any driving position the steering wheel blocks the "60-70mph" part of the speedo... I sat in the drivers seat in the Focus and that was the first thing I looked for. Not a bit of it.

I think I'm going to enjoy this car :D
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Well welcome to the dark side (bright side in ur case but yeah). Im going to get harassed for this like but the focus seems more of a blokes car than the fiesta its less fiddley if you know what i mean and more able to be thrown about like a rag doll lol. On the seating postion though did you ever try maybe moving the seat down or the wheel up :P

Mike
J i m
In my Fez the wheel is fixed. And believe me I had that drivers seat in every single possible position. But I never liked or bought it for it's ergonomics. Before the fez I had a 1991 year Vauxhall Astra 1.6 si. From a ergonomics point of view it was spot on, just absolutely perfect very very comfortable. I only got rid of it because the body was rapidly rusting away, and because due to poor modding (not on my part) It took corners like the titanic.

When I first got in the Fez it was like sitting in a mini bus compared to the Astra, very very weird. But ignoring the ergonomics and concentrating on it from a driving and handling point of view then my fez is easily the best car I have ever owned. It's very responsive and very chuckable and also easy to rescue if you get out of shape. (I'm expecting the Focus to a step ahead).

But remember we have opposing driving styles... you seem to be the Mr Gilles Villeneuve advocate, flat out sideways everywhere whilst I'm more like a Jim Clark advocate, very smooth but also very quick for it :P

The best thing for me though... about changing to this Diesel focus is that with my commuting to work... the larger tank and better fuel economy is going to mean that I'll be able to commute to work and back for more that two weeks longer than I can in my fez without re-filling. I'm quite a low mileage driver.
ford focus edge
[quote name='J i m' date='20 March 2010 - 10:18 AM' timestamp='1269079701' post='72682']
In my Fez the wheel is fixed. And believe me I had that drivers seat in every single possible position. But I never liked or bought it for it's ergonomics. Before the fez I had a 1991 year Vauxhall Astra 1.6 si. From a ergonomics point of view it was spot on, just absolutely perfect very very comfortable. I only got rid of it because the body was rapidly rusting away, and because due to poor modding (not on my part) It took corners like the titanic.

When I first got in the Fez it was like sitting in a mini bus compared to the Astra, very very weird. But ignoring the ergonomics and concentrating on it from a driving and handling point of view then my fez is easily the best car I have ever owned. It's very responsive and very chuckable and also easy to rescue if you get out of shape. (I'm expecting the Focus to a step ahead).

But remember we have opposing driving styles... you seem to be the Mr Gilles Villeneuve advocate, flat out sideways everywhere whilst I'm more like a Jim Clark advocate, very smooth but also very quick for it :P

The best thing for me though... about changing to this Diesel focus is that with my commuting to work... the larger tank and better fuel economy is going to mean that I'll be able to commute to work and back for more that two weeks longer than I can in my fez without re-filling. I'm quite a low mileage driver.
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I was a young tiff nidel but now im more of a tom jones saying that my dad picked up his st220 last night and we did maybe just a little bit chase each other through the lanes a tad :rolleyes: but yeah sideways is mintttt the focus seems to love powersliding just be prepaired for it because they seem to whip back rather violently than just slip back into a straight line.

I've cut down on milage now due to the shear price of fuel its f*****n stupid i think its 117.9 here :huh: i read sumwhere though to get money gains on a diesel car because they cost more to buy etc that youve got to do something like 70k lol tht was over a year ao though

Mike
J i m
That would be true if petrol was still significantly cheaper than diesel. But it's not, in many stations it's now the same price, and in some cases the diesel is actually cheaper at the pumps.

That could change again, but for the meantime diesel is making good financial sense.
ford focus edge
I'm all for diesel its just the soundtrack that grates on me after a while, personal taste though really but i know you'll be happy with the 115bhp and im mift because it means theres yet another diesel focus thats faster than mine :(

Mike
J i m
Diesel always used to sound rubbish... and loud. But in recent years they are getting quieter and quiter.

Take Audi and Peugeot at Le Mans racing for example... the best engines, the most powerful, the most economical... and unfortunately the most silent! :lol: Seriously... the Audi R10 and R15 sounds a bit like an extra quiet vacuum cleaner.

As far as I'm concerned though if you want a loud car on the road... change the exhaust.
ford focus edge
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Diesel always used to sound rubbish... and loud. But in recent years they are getting quieter and quiter.

Take Audi and Peugeot at Le Mans racing for example... the best engines, the most powerful, the most economical... and unfortunately the most silent! :lol: Seriously... the Audi R10 and R15 sounds a bit like an extra quiet vacuum cleaner.

As far as I'm concerned though if you want a loud car on the road... change the exhaust.
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I did .. lmao full sportex cat-back system and knn induction kit, my dad before he picked his 220 went to look at the 2.2tdi mondey and my god it sounded hidious was a case of turn the key and put ur fingers in your ears yet the bigger 3.0 v6 in the st is silent unles you give it death. Where as if i was buying an audi or a vw id only ever buy a diesel one or even one of the volvo d5 engines there supposed to be good.

Mike
artscot79
[quote name='ford focus edge' date='20 March 2010 - 02:52 PM' timestamp='1269096156' post='72721']
I did .. lmao full sportex cat-back system and knn induction kit, my dad before he picked his 220 went to look at the 2.2tdi mondey and my god it sounded hidious was a case of turn the key and put ur fingers in your ears yet the bigger 3.0 v6 in the st is silent unles you give it death. Where as if i was buying an audi or a vw id only ever buy a diesel one or even one of the volvo d5 engines there supposed to be good.

Mike
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diels are never financially sound anymore as weve seen with topics about this regeneration thing if it fails then 1000 down the pan then theres these fluids you have to top up add that to the fact it takes 3 years to recoup the extra cost of buying a diiesel unless you got it at a petrol cars prices have to admit ive had diesels and i wouldnt go back as quiet as they make them they can still be noisy and they just donty drive the same saying that if i did mega miles the diesel would make sense but not as a town car they just become too thirsty if only used in town
thesilverfox
To say 'diesel cars are not financially sound' is a sweeping generalisation. I've had petrol (of course - the ST170 was heaps of fun), and yes, diesel is different.

Yet with fuel prices similar, I save a clean fortune compared to what I used to spend. My dad's 1.8 Zetec Focus can get 34-40 mpg on the motorway with normal driving. My 1.8 TDCi can get 55-65 with the same style driving. I used to spend 50 a week putting petrol in my car ... but to be fair, I am a longer-distance commuter (80 miles a day).

Initial cost being more than equivalent petrol is true; though it's also true the diesel is worth more when you sell it on. The difference from depreciation is easily made up by the road tax savings (I pay 120, soon to be 110 I think?).

Diesel is a very lazy feeling - and it's great imo. But the noise is dreadful at low speeds - possibly the only thing about them I hate; though they can feel a bit nose-heavy too (the non-boggo springs helps and I have 18" rims). However, with newer diesel engines being even more powerful than ever, as well as being utterly well refined, I can't ever see me going back to petrol again in the future. Unless I end up buying a Caterham.
artscot79
[quote name='thesilverfox' date='20 March 2010 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1269103713' post='72738']
To say 'diesel cars are not financially sound' is a sweeping generalisation. I've had petrol (of course - the ST170 was heaps of fun), and yes, diesel is different.

Yet with fuel prices similar, I save a clean fortune compared to what I used to spend. My dad's 1.8 Zetec Focus can get 34-40 mpg on the motorway with normal driving. My 1.8 TDCi can get 55-65 with the same style driving. I used to spend 50 a week putting petrol in my car ... but to be fair, I am a longer-distance commuter (80 miles a day).

Initial cost being more than equivalent petrol is true; though it's also true the diesel is worth more when you sell it on. The difference from depreciation is easily made up by the road tax savings (I pay 120, soon to be 110 I think?).

Diesel is a very lazy feeling - and it's great imo. But the noise is dreadful at low speeds - possibly the only thing about them I hate; though they can feel a bit nose-heavy too (the non-boggo springs helps and I have 18" rims). However, with newer diesel engines being even more powerful than ever, as well as being utterly well refined, I can't ever see me going back to petrol again in the future. Unless I end up buying a Caterham.
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to be onest theres no happy medium anymore i agree with what youre saying for long commutes the diesel wins althoufgh there are petrols coming out now that can beat some diesels for mpg on motorways in an ideal world you would have a diesel for youre long commutes say to and from work and a petrol for youre town car that way you get the best of both worlds diesels dont do well in only town driving but petrols dont do that well on long distance motorway miles a combination of the two in one car would be great. they are becoming more refined i agree but many are becoming more problematic as well with all these additives that you need now i just couldnt stand the noise from the diesel when i had it it sounded quite quiet and yet at night it sounded bloomin awful then i had the winter starting issues and glow plugs then a new diesel pump that costed ridiculous cash compared to a petrol saying that it was on 197k at the time anyway if the government gets its way there will be no petrol or diesel biofuel and or battery will be the options just read the experts predict fuel prices by summer to be 1.97 a litre so we will get shafted at the pumps then shafted at the supermarket as well the joys of britain eh.
ford focus edge
I think we overthrow the governtment and seek global conquest, yes i was a born dictator :P

No but seriousally now over LONG periods of time and by that i mean till the dawn of time it would turn out for the better and there easier to drive in my view but they are deffo not for all tastes i dont mind them so much because of the power side of it. Im not a slow driver by any means and id have to re-learn my driving to adapt to a diesel because as now i ride the revs and rellish the sound where as the diesel the power is mid to low down in the revs and in my little 1.6 past 3000rpm it picks up a treat where as a diesel would shortly after this be running out of puff. I may be wrong and if i am im sorry lol

Modern diesel engines do require alot of faffing and to me theyl always be dirty dirty things that run on crap BUT a petrol still needs alot of tlc and isnt that much cleaner, the main reason the diesel is so cheap to tax is because its based on CO2 which the diesel produces less of but the side effect is that when u floor it and the turbo spins up you get massive plumes of vile black smoke out the back from burning oil where as a petrol would tip the petrol tank back and guzzle it down.

This again may be wrong with the mordern engines im just going of what ive heard from the grape vine in a summary though its dependant on what kind of miles you drive, if your a promimnant motorway driver a sales rep for eg diesel is for you. If your like me and do a combo of town, motorway, country etc a pecky is the way foward for the average person.

Mike
J i m
And I've got it! :D

Very perky engine feels pretty much as responsive as my Fiesta, has the inevitable lag in 1st and 2nd gear, but is very torquey there after. A little bit noisy on idle, but again to be expected.

Has lighter steering and sharper brakes than I was used to on my Fiesta, seems to handle as well as I'd expected but feels a little bit detached at the moment. I'm putting that down to first drive in a new cars feeling like riding your mates bike kind of feeling. Takes time to settle into the feel of it.

Not particularly comfortable in the driving position yet, but I'm not too worried about that as my Fiesta felt very strange for the first days and it eventually felt like a well worn pair of shoes.

Haven't had the time to give it a properly long and varied test drive yet, I guess I'll wait until my next day off work.


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