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hawker
I purchased My 1.6TDCi (110ps) on 92,000 miles back in November, and now has 97,000 miles on the clock. It was previously a leased company car which had a full service history but not at a main dealer, namely the last one at 75,000 miles being done at a Nationwide AutoCentre.

According to Ford's service schedule, the DPF+Eolys176 fluid should have been changed at 75K but this was not done as it wasn't authorised by the leasing company apparently. :angry:

I've heard that DPF's can stop working completely around the 100K mark, and I'm bricking it now, as info on Honest John says this can be around £1000 to replace, and I'm not even sure if this includes the Eolys176 fluid which is around £100 for 3 litres on ebay!

Obviously I dont fancy forking out that sort of money at all, and I cant afford it at the moment anyway, so if the DPF gives up the ghost, what is the worst that can happen? Will it affect the drive or just impact on emissions. I assume a diesel with a non working DPF would fail an MOT emissions test?

If a buggered DPF means I can still drive it ok but wont be MOT passable, then that means I have up to 6 months to get rid of the car until the next MOT comes around.

Are there any cheaper solutions to get this done?
Eg. ebay sells DPF's for £350, and i assume any exhaust company could fit, but I've heard that the computer must be reset by a main dealer on a DPF+Eolys change, so can this ONLY be done by Ford? Could I get the work done independently, and just get Ford to just reset it?

Any advice on this would be very much appreciated.
;)
artscot79
[quote name='hawker' date='16 April 2010 - 01:04 PM' timestamp='1271418852' post='78021']
My 1.6TDCi (110ps) is on 97,000 miles. It was previously a leased company car which had a full service history but not at a main dealer, namely the last one at 75,000 miles being done at a Nationwide AutoCentre.

According to Ford's service schedule, the DPF+Eolys176 fluid should have been changed at 75K but this was not done as it wasn't authorised by the leasing company apparently. I've heard that DPF's can give up around the 100K mark, and I'm bricking it now, as info on Honest John says this can be around 1000 to replace, and I'm not even sure if this includes the Eolys176 fluid which is around 100 for 3 litres on ebay!

Obviously I dont fancy forking out that sort of money at all, and I cant afford it at the moment anyway, so if the DPF gives up the ghost, what is the worst that can happen? Will it affect the drive or just impact on emissions. I assume a diesel with a non working DPF would fail an MOT emissions test?

If a buggered DPF means I can still drive it ok but wont be MOT passable, then that means I have up to 6 months to get rid of the car until the next MOT comes around.

Are there any cheaper solutions to get this done?
Eg. ebay sells DPF's for 350, and i assume any exhaust company could fit, but I've heard that the computer must be reset by a main dealer on a DPF+Eolys change, so can this ONLY be done by Ford? Could I get the work done independently, and just get Ford to just reset it?

Any advice on this would be very much appreciated.
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you could get it done independantly and get ford to reset it if they will as they havent carried out the work they dont have to sadly this is the problem with modern diesels and totally outweighs the money youve saved ibn fuel in my opinion hence why ive never went back to diesel sadly this could be costly whatever you do im not sure ide trust ebay unless its a genuine ford part cheaper parts dont tend to live long such as pattern coil packs etc sometimes dont even work at all ide be more tempted to find an exhaust company that will supply and fit yet again it will be costly
catch
Yep I bought a 54 plate Volvo S40 2.0D SE back in Jan 09 with 57k+ on the clock, then about 7 months in I learnt about the DPF, and the replacement schedule meant I was looking at a £1000 75K or 6th year service which ever comes first. So at 9 months of ownership and 63K+ miles on the clock an whilst still in warranty I moved it on. hence I'm back in a petrol model.


Just consulted my spread sheet yearly estimated at 5k = £130 saving per year in fuel, set against DPF renewal and eloys top up, cost of £115 a year over the six year maintenance cycle, and more expensive insurance on my S40 of £46. Means just on that count running my 1.6 petrol Zetec saves me £31 a year. At 6k annual mileage it drops to a £4 a year saving run the 1.6 petrol :rolleyes:

But obviously servicing a Focus is a lot cheaper than servicing an S40. For a start 4 tyres on a S40 cost £520 for premiums, on the Focus £320. Like I say my service will cost me £100 as against stumping up £1000 on the S40

Obviously on a 1.6 TDCi the fuel savings would be better, and the bigger the annual mileage the more the economics swing in favour of a diesel.

As to will it still run with a clogged DPF, no the engine management will put it in "limp home mode" at the very least. Then you will have to have a forced regeneration done circa £150 and then it may not work meaning a new DPF. Removing the DPF, may also put the engine management into failure mode. Not sure so don't quote me, best you seek advice.
hillmangimp
I wasn't aware of the dpf issues when I bought my diesel and I'm so glad/lucky my car doesn't have one. A bit of black smoke from the exhaust is bearable when you consider the cost of replacing the dpf and the running problems dpf's have caused for some diesels.
artscot79
[quote name='hillmangimp' date='16 April 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1271437981' post='78072']
I wasn't aware of the dpf issues when I bought my diesel and I'm so glad/lucky my car doesn't have one. A bit of black smoke from the exhaust is bearable when you consider the cost of replacing the dpf and the running problems dpf's have caused for some diesels.
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sadly this is the cost we pay for brussels governments and green peace etc if the planet blows up in 1 million years so be it but it gives the companies an excuse to make money ioff us by adding these devices in the name of a cleaner environment im pretty fed up with it all to be honest between fuel road tax and all this other junk but look an the bright side we could drive a battery car that does the whole 100 miles on acharge then plug it in but wait a minute does that not use more electric meaning more emissions? but they dont tell us that welll mr brown as a fellow scotsman you can kiss my axxe at election time sorry going off subject i agree diesels without this new fangled crap are far better and more economical if it were me ide consider getting shot and getting another car if it meant spending a grand on a service if it can be regenerated thats not so bad
hawker
I wish I was aware of DPF's and Eolys fluid before I bought this (my first) diesel!
If I was I would have steered clear of buying a car with one.

Are there any tell-tale signs to look out for in the way the car behaves when the DPF is starting to go before the pretty drastic sounding "limp home mode" kicks in?

What actually happens in "limp home mode"?
hillmangimp
[quote name='hawker' date='17 April 2010 - 10:03 PM' timestamp='1271537596' post='78189']
I wish I was aware of DPF's and Eolys fluid before I bought this (my first) diesel!
If I was I would have steered clear of buying a car with one.

Are there any tell-tale signs to look out for in the way the car behaves when the DPF is starting to go before the pretty drastic sounding "limp home mode" kicks in?

What actually happens in "limp home mode"?
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I've never had a limp home mode in a Ford/diesel but my other car has been in limp home mode and what basically happens is that performance is restricted to stop the problem getting worse. So it would be less power and the car not revving beyond a certain point in the rev range (in my instance it was 3k rpm and not going above 60mph). Also it would be accompanied by a warning light. Its pretty obvious when limp home has ocurred due to performance drop off. From what I've read dpf problems are apparent due to running problems with the car especially in terms of power delivery.
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='17 April 2010 - 10:03 PM' timestamp='1271537596' post='78189']
I wish I was aware of DPF's and Eolys fluid before I bought this (my first) diesel!
If I was I would have steered clear of buying a car with one.

Are there any tell-tale signs to look out for in the way the car behaves when the DPF is starting to go before the pretty drastic sounding "limp home mode" kicks in?

What actually happens in "limp home mode"?
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Considering you have a 2006 model, I think what you need to do is first ascertain if it had the 35/36.5k or three year service done that applies to cars with the DPF. In that did it have the Eloys additive renewed at that service. And the engine management reset [this is to let the EM system that said renewal of additive has taken place] If it has not been done, then get it done, because if it is empty and the DPF blocks and needs a "forced Regeneration" done, and even if that is successful [no need to renew the filter] you will end up with the cost of a FG and a cost of replenishing the additive. So my advice would be as outlined above, now.

Now dependent on the mileage the car has done, different scenarios apply. You have a four year old car, and if it has only done average mileage circa 12/15k a year it would now be on circa 36/45k. So on that measure and in compliance with the maintenance schedule the DPF replacement is not due until 75k or the sixth year service[which ever comes first]So that being the case that is two years into the future. Obviously if the car has already covered 75k+, whilst it does not mean it is going to fail any time soon, but you will have to realise you are on borrowed time. I say that because obviously Ford/Volvo will have set the scheduled renewal of the DPF, to resolve the problem of a vehicle breaking down due to a DPF failure mid service schedule.

I hope the above is helpful to you. But what I will say is this, your only reacting like I did when I found out about the dreaded DPF. In that you read all the horror stories and start "bricking yourself"

Don't panic, just work out your options. For instance look at the "Sh1t" lets shift it pronto course of action. Looking at the PX to Dealer price difference, your into a bigger cost than the cost of replacing the DPF. So what I'm saying is, if you like the car, and considering your annual perceived mileage. Why not opt for the DPF replacement cost when it comes about? I reckon it will be the cheaper option for you, as the next DPF cost will be three years into the future, with a additive top up, and your fuel savings will have well compensated for that additional cost.
hawker
thanks catch, very helpful mate.

My car is on 97K, so i am indeed on borrowed time. I'll have a look through the paperwork and check the 36K service, but even if it was done then, its going to have to happen again pretty soon.

I do like this car even though in the 6 months i've had it, i've had a multitude of problems (brake discs crumbled, clutch+DMF went, alternator went, injector seals went) but when it IS going, its a lovely drive, so I'm really in 2 minds as to jump ship on it or not.

If I decide to keep the Focus, I'll be looking at a bill of around 1500 over the next year, for both DPF/Eolys and a cambelt change, so this may grudgingly be the deciding factor as to my final decision.

I've seen a Y reg Audi A3 1.9 SE Diesel for 4000 thats done 104,000 miles which looks in excellent condition, and at least this would eliminate the looming DPF/Eolys problem, but i'm very much undecided as to what to do at the moment.
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='20 April 2010 - 09:13 AM' timestamp='1271750610' post='78533']
thanks catch, very helpful mate.

My car is on 97K, so i am indeed on borrowed time. I'll have a look through the paperwork and check the 36K service, but even if it was done then, its going to have to happen again pretty soon.[/quote] the Eloys additive thing works like this, when you fuel your car the EM system adds some additive to the fuel tank. The additive tank no doubt holds enough to see you through at least 36k mileage. Now if the additive reservoir ran dry I would have thought you would get a service message warning you of the fact, as it's needed to assist DPF regeneration. But you would have to confirm that with a Ford mechanic.

[quote]I do like this car even though in the 6 months i've had it, i've had a multitude of problems (brake discs crumbled, clutch+DMF went, alternator went, injector seals went) but when it IS going, its a lovely drive, so I'm really in 2 minds as to jump ship on it or not.[/quote] well DPF aside I bet you have now sorted all that was obviously wrong with it in the first place.

[quote]If I decide to keep the Focus, I'll be looking at a bill of around 1500 over the next year, for both DPF/Eolys and a cambelt change, so this may grudgingly be the deciding factor as to my final decision.[/quote] I'm sure you could get it done a lot cheaper then that, cambelt change 250 inclusive, DPF and eloys cost circa 400 + an hour to an hour and a half mechanic time. 800 to 900 tops I would have thought.

[quote]I've seen a Y reg Audi A3 1.9 SE Diesel for 4000 thats done 104,000 miles which looks in excellent condition, and at least this would eliminate the looming DPF/Eolys problem, but i'm very much undecided as to what to do at the moment.
[/quote]There is a saying "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" but at the end of the day it's your call mate.

Best of look
hawker
I've phoned several Ford dealers and the cheapest price I've been given to replace DPF and Eolys fluid change is 1500!!! :o

Looks like I'll be jumping ship and selling soon!
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='20 April 2010 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1271767773' post='78564']
I've phoned several Ford dealers and the cheapest price I've been given to replace DPF and Eolys fluid change is £1500!!! :o

Looks like I'll be jumping ship and selling soon!
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Back end of last year, on the Volvo forum a guy with a S40 2.0D SE due the major 75K service which included the replacement of the DPF and Eloys top up. Was quoted by a Volvo dealer £1000, now think on Volvo charge circa £350 for a standard service. He then got a quote from a Ford dealership for the same major service and DPF £900
hawker
I've done more phoning around and managed to sort out the following:

1. Eolys fluid change with computer reset at local Ford dealership for 100
2. Replace DPF at a local independent garage (310). I've used this garage many times before and are trustworthy
3. Replace cambelt (with kit) 200 at same independent garage.

As I'll be paying 25 a month for the next 18 months for a non-transferrable RAC warranty, and the fact that so many things have been replaced new lately on the Focus, I think I may keep it and go down this route instead of selling up.

A couple of things I'm uncertain about:

I've not got any warning lights on the dash relating to DPF/Eolys, and I want to change these as a precautionary measure as its coming up to 100K miles. Will a "regeneration cycle" still need to be performed, or is this only when the DPF has given up and/or Eolys has run out?
If so, is this done when the DPF is replaced, or when the Eolys fluid is changed?
Can a non Ford dealership perform a "regeneration cycle"?
bottletree
I have the same car as yours. I was a bit annoyed to find out about this DPF crap thats on my car. Its just another way for manufacturers to get money out of joe public yet again. I have 42k on my car and i cant recall if it had the fluid top up at 3 years service.Its got the full Ford service history so i take it as a yes it has. Hopefully by the time the dpf on my car needs sorting the prices will have come down a little. I dont like dealers and always take my car to a private garage.But this looks like its a job for the dealers, i dont know?
It sounds like you have had loads done to your car and if i were you i would stick with it and know that at least you have the major jobs done now.
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='20 April 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1271792154' post='78644']
I've done more phoning around and managed to sort out the following:

1. Eolys fluid change with computer reset at local Ford dealership for 100
2. Replace DPF at a local independent garage (310). I've used this garage many times before and are trustworthy
3. Replace cambelt (with kit) 200 at same independent garage.[/quote]

great news

[quote]As I'll be paying 25 a month for the next 18 months for a non-transferrable RAC warranty, and the fact that so many things have been replaced new lately on the Focus, I think I may keep it and go down this route instead of selling up.[/quote]well if you think you need the piece of mind of a warranty go for it.

[quote]A couple of things I'm uncertain about:

I've not got any warning lights on the dash relating to DPF/Eolys, and I want to change these as a precautionary measure as its coming up to 100K miles. Will a "regeneration cycle" still need to be performed, or is this only when the DPF has given up and/or Eolys has run out?[/quote]

In the normal everyday use of the car "regenerations" happen periodically when the EMS is instructed that the filter is starting to soot up. Unfortunately the system does not make you aware of this, but on my S40 I had an instantaneous mpg read out. And when it was happening you would see the mpg maybe drop from 44mpg to maybe 34mpg . Obviously the EMS alters the fuel mixture to aid the regeneration process. A "Forced Regeneration" is when you DPF blocks up due to a normal regeneration failing to clear the filter. But I would think if that happened, maybe because your out of Eloy's the EMS would warn you of a failed regeneration attempt. Forced Regens are preformed by the dealership, they will have have access to the EMS to effect this.

If your car is not bring up any warnings about soot build up, or service needed messages, or your not experiencing "limp home mode" then it's fair to say your DPF is working fine. Are you sure you have one on the car? I'd say get the cambelt done, and whilst it's in the garage put it on the ramp and see if it has a DPF in the exhaust set up. Or see if you can see the Eloys additive reservoir. I'm not sure if that is not accessed some where under the rear seats.

Anyhow assuming your having it done, have the new DPF fit at the independent garage. Then take it to a Ford main dealer for it's Eloyes additive top up and engine management reset.


[quote]If so, is this done when the DPF is replaced, or when the Eolys fluid is changed?
Can a non Ford dealership perform a "regeneration cycle"?
[/quote] see above answers.
hawker
Thanks again catch. Very helpful as usual mate. ;)

If I decide to keep the Focus (and I'm edging towards that at the moment) then I'll definitely get the belt changed soon.

Mine is the 110ps Duratorq 1.6TDCi and as far as I'm aware, these have DPF's

I'll probably end up changing DPF and fluid too, but I was wondering, is there a test that can be done to determine the general condition of your DPF? Eg. an emissions test perhaps. Could this determine how efficiently your DPF is performing? If so, and my current DPF is good enough, then I'll just get the Eolys fluid changed.

[quote name='bottletree' date='20 April 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1271796622' post='78673']
I have 42k on my car and i cant recall if it had the fluid top up at 3 years service.Its got the full Ford service history so i take it as a yes it has. [/quote]

I dont think so unfortunately :( . The Ford garage I spoke to said that this is in the schedule for 3 years/37,500 miles and they will tell you that it needs doing and will add this cost to the cost of the service, so unless you noticed a particularly big bill on that service, then my guess is it was not done.
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='21 April 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1271839395' post='78696']

Mine is the 110ps Duratorq 1.6TDCi and as far as I'm aware, these have DPF's[/quote]

Yes that's right

[quote]I'll probably end up changing DPF and fluid too, but I was wondering, is there a test that can be done to determine the general condition of your DPF? Eg. an emissions test perhaps. Could this determine how efficiently your DPF is performing?[/quote]

No I don't think so, I suggest you re read this [url="http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/diesel-particulate-filters.html"]AA Diesel Particulate Filters [/url] Especially the section [b]"How do they work?"[/b] So having read that section, it is fair to say your DPF is undergoing either and or Passive and Active regeneration cycles without a hitch. Because the article says if it fails to clear the filter after an attempted "Active" regeneration, a warning light will illuminate. I would then suggest you take it for a "burn" down a motorway or dual carriage way, traffic permitting for say 20 minutes. And if your still getting the failed to clean filter message. Then considering the mileage done on your existing filter, I would opt for a New DPF and Eloys top up. Until that scenario presents itself, I would just leave everything as is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you are most fearful of, is having to pay for a dealer initiated "Forced" regeneration. Look even if it did block it is of no consequence as you know it is living on borrowed time. And as such you would be binning the existing DPF and fitting a new one.....hence no "Forced" regen would be required.

[quote]If so, and my current DPF is good enough, then I'll just get the Eolys fluid changed.[/quote]

see above replies.
hawker
Thanks again catch.

I'm not getting any warning lights at all whatsoever. I'm only looking into this as I know this should have been done on 75K but was not, so I'm definitely on borrowed time at the moment approaching 100K. I'm only looking into changing DFP+Eolys as a purely preventative precautionary measure.

So are you suggesting not to bother changing until I get a warning light on the dash?
bottletree
I have been telling people at work who have similar cars(diesels) with the dpf built in about this. 2 have the new fiesta and another has a focus c-max with the dpf.
I'm not very popular at the moment. :huh:
jeebowhite
Thanks Catch for pointing me back to this thread!

Does an extended warranty cover DPF replacements?

Do all diesels have DPF's nowadays?
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='21 April 2010 - 01:47 PM' timestamp='1271853456' post='78721']
Thanks again catch.

I'm not getting any warning lights at all whatsoever. I'm only looking into this as I know this should have been done on 75K but was not, so I'm definitely on borrowed time at the moment approaching 100K. I'm only looking into changing DFP+Eolys as a purely preventative precautionary measure.

So are you suggesting not to bother changing until I get a warning light on the dash?
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Short answer yes.It may have another 6 months in it or possibly 12 months, there's no way we can know exactly. Pushing out any DPF related cost 6 to 12 months into the future. Must be a bonus to you considering the initial expense of the purchase, and the subsequent costs of all the repair work you have had done. But in the end the decision is yours mate.

And another thing £450 over eighteen months on a warranty, think about it that's the cost of replacing the DPF and Eloys top up and ECU reset. Warranties don't cover items that need replacing due to fair usage, and at 97K the clutch, discs and pads where fair usage. The alternator was bad luck, in that in 45 years of car ownership I have never had to replace one [and bear in mind I have always bought second hand cars, and usually run them until they are not economically viable to repair]And as you say the injector seals replacement was possibly not required, but at the end of the day you have to be guided by a garage in who you have faith. So what I'm saying is I have only ever had to replace components that by their very nature wear out due to their usage. Cam belt, clutch, disks and pads, the odd battery, tyres, wiper blades. 97K on a diesel engine is nothing it should be good for that again.

I know I keep coming up with suggestions that challenge your preferred course of action at any given time, but I'm only trying to save you money mate.
hawker
[quote name='jeebowhite' date='21 April 2010 - 02:05 PM' timestamp='1271858124' post='78726']
Thanks Catch for pointing me back to this thread!

Does an extended warranty cover DPF replacements?

Do all diesels have DPF's nowadays?
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I would be staggered if any warranty would cover a DPF renewal.

I think all newly produced diesels these days will have a DPF. They need to in order to comply with the Euro IV/V/VI standards

Catch: I'm undecided as to what to do now mate! I already think that my current DPF has done well lasting this long, so I'm worried what adverse effects not renewing it (and especially the Eolys fluid) will have on the car as a whole.
catch
[quote name='bottletree' date='21 April 2010 - 02:20 PM' timestamp='1271855400' post='78723']
I have been telling people at work who have similar cars(diesels) with the dpf built in about this. 2 have the new fiesta and another has a focus c-max with the dpf.
I'm not very popular at the moment. :huh:
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I know there is another DPF variant that could possibly be on later models [08 onwards possibly]that do not need the Eloys additive every 3rd service. Or new DPF's every 6th year. But which makers are using them and or on which models, I don't know. I think it was touched on, at the tail end of this [url="http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=66412&v=f"]Honest Johon forum thread[/url]

Remember I bought my Volvo S40 back in Jan 09 with the same amount of knowledge you lads had when you bought yours, ZERO. So I'm no expert on the subject, I'm just passing on what I found out about DPF's. Because that is what forums are all about, helping each other.
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' date='21 April 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1271858124' post='78726']
Thanks Catch for pointing me back to this thread!

Does an extended warranty cover DPF replacements?

Do all diesels have DPF's nowadays?
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No, treated alike an exhaust in warranty terms

New ones yes
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='21 April 2010 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1271862594' post='78738']


Catch: I'm undecided as to what to do now mate! I already think that my current DPF has done well lasting this long, so I'm worried what adverse effects not renewing it (and especially the Eolys fluid) will have on the car as a whole.
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Don't worry about it having an effect on the car, sure a blocked filter will throw up a service required messages related to the DPF malfunction. But it want have any adverse effect on your car like damaging the engine. The Eloys is purely to aid the burning off of soot particles.The DPF functions or it doesn't, once it stops functioning given it has done 97k replace it ....simples. But hey if your still unsure have either the Eloys topped up and if you want renew the DPF. I don't want you blaming me because you cannot sleep at night ;)
jeebowhite
Its crazy how a part that didnt exist until around about 2003/4 can suddenly become the minimum requirement for a diesel. Its a shame that it costs so much, however if I can get it down for 650 to replace the DPFI certainly would. and I agree with Catch, diesels nowadays can run into 6 figures before the engine starts to suffer, its just a shame that by the time you hit your 6th year or 75k service, it costs a quarter of the cars value to replace the single part...

I will be honest if it wasnt for the DPF, and if I had known about it before, I would have strongly reconsidered buying my focus, purely because of the mileage, thats not to say I wouldnt have bought a focus with lower mileage...

Swings and roundabouts I guess, I have seen images of the DPF, and it looks like its part of the exhuast pipe, is this the case?

Also I have been looking into the whole ODBII usage of cars, and have seen you can reset warning lights etc. If you could get a DPF fitted for say 450, could you then reset the DPF warning etc using over the net purchased software and a ODBII cable? in my mind, if it costs 250 to buy decent software and a cable to hook my car up so I can do this, I would rather do that, its a one off bill, that can come in handy time after time after time...
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' date='21 April 2010 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1271866572' post='78748']
I have seen images of the DPF, and it looks like its part of the exhuast pipe, is this the case? [/quote]

Yes it is

[quote]Also I have been looking into the whole ODBII usage of cars, and have seen you can reset warning lights etc. If you could get a DPF fitted for say 450, could you then reset the DPF warning etc using over the net purchased software and a ODBII cable? in my mind, if it costs 250 to buy decent software and a cable to hook my car up so I can do this, I would rather do that, its a one off bill, that can come in handy time after time after time...
[/quote]

I doubt it, but don't quote me.
hawker
I certainly would have avoided buying this particular focus had I'd been aware of the DPF/Eolys issue beforehand.

There is another version of the 1.6TDCi that does not have this (the 90PS version) I would have searched for one of these instead had I known.
bottletree
I spotted this short video about how the DPF and the Eoyls fluid works in your car. There is no sound to the video, but it explains everything clearly i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyMmSgxmdTo&feature=related
catch
[quote name='bottletree' date='22 April 2010 - 09:16 PM' timestamp='1271966774' post='78897']
I spotted this short video about how the DPF and the Eoyls fluid works in your car. There is no sound to the video, but it explains everything clearly i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyMmSgxmdTo&feature=related
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Yes that's a very good video on how it works, nice find.
hawker
I've booked my cambelt to be changed for a week wed. approx 230 (this will be fitted with the kit too) at an independent garage. Thought its best to do this now its coming up to 100K miles, although I've had conflicting views on when the correct interval for this is, with some saying 100K, others 125K. Do it anyway to be on the safe side.

I'm going to rule out a DPF change until I get a warning light. My independent garage can supply and fit for approx 350 so pretty cheap compared to Fords 1500, but I'll chance leaving this for the time being.

I'm now contemplating whether or not to have a Eolys top-up and computer reset at Fords for 100, as at least this should prolong the life of the DPF as I understand it.

Just ordered some genuine mud flaps front+back off ebay for 40, so looking forward to cleaning out the sills etc. and fitting them, as I think they look quite nice and finish the sill-line off quite nicely, and should prevent or at least minimize sill rust building up. :)
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='23 April 2010 - 11:00 AM' timestamp='1272016238' post='78955']
I've booked my cambelt to be changed for a week wed. approx 230 (this will be fitted with the kit too) at an independent garage. Thought its best to do this now its coming up to 100K miles, although I've had conflicting views on when the correct interval for this is, with some saying 100K, others 125K. Do it anyway to be on the safe side.[/quote]

Like you say, it gives you peace of mind. With me being a bit long in the tooth :rolleyes: I've seen manufactures extend cam belt replacement intervals. But when you think of the damage a failing cam belt can cost ........

[quote]I'm going to rule out a DPF change until I get a warning light. My independent garage can supply and fit for approx 350 so pretty cheap compared to Fords 1500, but I'll chance leaving this for the time being.[/quote] You've nothing to loss mate doing that.

[quote]I'm now contemplating whether or not to have a Eolys top-up and computer reset at Fords for 100, as at least this should prolong the life of the DPF as I understand it.[/quote]

As the current state of the Eloys is an unknown quantity, I'd have it done. Like you say the Eloys aids the burn off process, so should extend the life of the existing DPF. Besides when you replace the DPF it will not need a Dealer ECU reset. So all you need do is have the Eloys top up done again when you have 135K or there about on the clock.

[quote]Just ordered some genuine mud flaps front+back off ebay for 40, so looking forward to cleaning out the sills etc. and fitting them, as I think they look quite nice and finish the sill-line off quite nicely, and should prevent or at least minimize sill rust building up. :)
[/quote]

I'm just in the process of finding out how much the under sill plastic protectors are, as my 05a build Focus did not have them. Ford obviously added them on the 06 builds onwards after realising there was a problem in that area. You having an 06 model should have them on as standered. [I bet they are a stupid price, for a bit of plastic]
hawker
Thanks for all your help in this post catch. You have been extremely helpful mate, and I'm very grateful to you. ;)

[quote name='catch' date='23 April 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1272018048' post='78957']
I'm just in the process of finding out how much the under sill plastic protectors are, as my 05a build Focus did not have them. Ford obviously added them on the 06 builds onwards after realising there was a problem in that area. You having an 06 model should have them on as standered. [I bet they are a stupid price, for a bit of plastic]
[/quote]

Yes catch, mine has the plastic sills, but I like the look of the mud flaps, and the front ones will stop a hell of a lot of crap going down in between the arch plastics and sill, so are extremely practical too. B)
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='23 April 2010 - 11:54 AM' timestamp='1272019495' post='78960']
Thanks for all your help in this post catch. You have been extremely helpful mate, and I'm very grateful to you. ;) [/quote]

Think now't of it mate, thank you for listening, the wife's eyes just glaze over when I talk about motor stuff :rolleyes:

[quote] Yes catch, mine has the plastic sills, but I like the look of the mud flaps, and the front ones will stop a hell of a lot of crap going down in between the arch plastics and sill, so are extremely practical too. B)
[/quote]

Yes if anybody is serious about reducing the potential for their Focus to rot away, mud flaps are a must if you ask me. Just found out the parts needed to retro fit the under sill protectors as they are fitted as standard. Would be £91.88 [parts only] but as it involves drilling the sills, I think I'll give them a miss. Possibly go for a couple of coats of StoneChip, two coats undercoat, and two coats top coat. [I already have new tin of cellulose undercoat and enough top coat in stock]
hawker
[quote name='catch' date='23 April 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1272022599' post='78965']
Think now't of it mate, thank you for listening, the wife's eyes just glaze over when I talk about motor stuff :rolleyes:
[/quote]

I know how you feel butty! My missus is exactly the same.

[quote name='catch' date='23 April 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1272022599' post='78965']
Yes if anybody is serious about reducing the potential for their Focus to rot away, mud flaps are a must if you ask me. Just found out the parts needed to retro fit the under sill protectors as they are fitted as standard. Would be £91.88 [parts only] but as it involves drilling the sills, I think I'll give them a miss. Possibly go for a couple of coats of StoneChip, two coats undercoat, and two coats top coat. [I already have new tin of cellulose undercoat and enough top coat in stock]
[/quote]

Expensive indeed!
Perhaps try a scrap yard? Never know your luck.
Coating it in some way seems like the best other option.
Good luck catch ;)
hawker
Car currently in the Ford garage to have the Eolys fluid topped up and computer reset, at a price of 100. (although extortionate, this is an extremely good price considering the fluid alone costs in excess of 30 a litre, and especially considering its a main Ford dealer doing the job!)

One less thing to worry about anyway. :)
Now for the cambelt next Wed!

Just an aside, How big is the Focus fuel tank? I think the standard is 55 litres, but isnt the Diesel version slightly less to accommodate the Eolys fluid tank? If so, what is the capacity in litres of Eolys?
bottletree
Top job Hawker. You did all the donkey work that i was going to do. You put my mind at rest considering i was looking at a huge bill in years to come. So thats 350 for the new DPF at an independent and 100 for the fluid and reset at the ford dealers. :lol: :lol:
In 4 or 5 years time when mine is ready hopefully it will be even cheaper.
thesilverfox
The diesel tank is 53 litres. The Eolys fluid will almost certainly be in a separate chamber, else every car with a DPF would need a modified fuel tank? I should stop guessing on that part, but the diesel tank is defintely 53l.
David.Spencer
Hi
This may be a silly question but how does the car know how much fluid to use
Kiyak-1804
[quote name='hawker' date='29 April 2010 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1272538654' post='79855']
Car currently in the Ford garage to have the Eolys fluid topped up and computer reset, at a price of 100. (although extortionate, this is an extremely good price considering the fluid alone costs in excess of 30 a litre, and especially considering its a main Ford dealer doing the job!)

One less thing to worry about anyway. :)
Now for the cambelt next Wed!

Just an aside, How big is the Focus fuel tank? I think the standard is 55 litres, but isnt the Diesel version slightly less to accommodate the Eolys fluid tank? If so, what is the capacity in litres of Eolys?
[/quote]

What ford garage is this? I've been quoted 258.50 for the top up and reset. I think that 100 is a great price. Does anywhere know where i could get Enough fluid for one car? According to ford they have to order enough that covers 3 cars so I have to pay for the rest of that fluid. Any help would be much appriciated!
hawker
[quote name='Kiyak-1804' date='15 September 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1284563064' post='97354']
What ford garage is this? I've been quoted £258.50 for the top up and reset. I think that £100 is a great price. Does anywhere know where i could get Enough fluid for one car? According to ford they have to order enough that covers 3 cars so I have to pay for the rest of that fluid. Any help would be much appriciated!
[/quote]

I had this done in Fordthorne, Cardiff.
Not much use for you being in Scotland!
catch
[quote name='Kiyak-1804' date='15 September 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1284563064' post='97354']
What ford garage is this? I've been quoted £258.50 for the top up and reset. I think that £100 is a great price. Does anywhere know where i could get Enough fluid for one car? According to ford they have to order enough that covers 3 cars so I have to pay for the rest of that fluid. Any help would be much appriciated!
[/quote]

At £258.50 they are taking the pee, any Ford Dealer will have the Eloys additive in stock, as it's a third year and every third year after that service requirement according to Fords service schedule. You can buy the Eloys additive yourself, but it's a dealer reset requirement that has to be done. Basically they the dealer top up the additive reservoir tank, then they do a counter reset. In other words they tell the ECU that the reservoir has been refilled. The ECU needs to know this so it can dose the fuel tank with the additive as and when required.

Try ringing round Ford dealers, or even Volvo ones. I know you can get it done ballpark £130 from Volvo dealers and Volvo service departments are known for being dear. [url="http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=76107"]ON THIS THREAD[/url]you will see what I mean [second post in] But if your only option is the robbing gets you quoted, ask them how much for the fill and reset if you supply the additive? [url="http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=82257"]ON THIS THREAD[/url] scroll to the bottom, you will find an email link to Simon [Rufe forum handle] who will supply the additive if you want.
Kiyak-1804
[quote name='hawker' date='15 September 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1284564311' post='97357']
I had this done in Fordthorne, Cardiff.
Not much use for you being in Scotland!
[/quote]

Anno mate, sounds like it would have been handy, i phoned around the dealerships - Arnold Clark were wanting 258.50 - I phoned a smaller (ALSO closer!) And they are doing it for 100 + 40 for ECU reset and any extra fluid that might be needed. I'm not fussed about that 40 though considering i was looking to pay a fortune before!

[quote name='catch' date='15 September 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1284565601' post='97359']
At 258.50 they are taking the pee, any Ford Dealer will have the Eloys additive in stock, as it's a third year and every third year after that service requirement according to Fords service schedule. You can buy the Eloys additive yourself, but it's a dealer reset requirement that has to be done. Basically they the dealer top up the additive reservoir tank, then they do a counter reset. In other words they tell the ECU that the reservoir has been refilled. The ECU needs to know this so it can dose the fuel tank with the additive as and when required.

I think it was because it was an arnold clark garage that it was costing me so much, I phoned a small dealership and they're sorting it on monday so I'll let you all know how I get on!

Thanks for your help guys - DPFs should be better advertised so people don't get robbed!
catch
[quote name='Kiyak-1804' date='16 September 2010 - 01:56 PM' timestamp='1284641188' post='97454']I phoned a smaller (ALSO closer!) And they are doing it for 100 + 40 for ECU reset and any extra fluid that might be needed.
[/quote]

What do they mean when the say "and any extra fluid that may be needed"

If you looked on those links I provided, OK we are talking July 09. But in post No2. the guy paid 20 for diagnostic , 110 to top up and reset additive tank.

In post No3. the guy quoted 65 for the additive from Simon, and he was quoted one hour by a Volvo dealer to replace the DPF and top up the additive, and reset. So the top up and reset cannot be more than half that time to do at the outside. So 140 is about what it should be in total including additive.
Leemond80
I have had a similar problem with the DPF on my MK2 Focus 1.6 TDCI

I am about to get the whole thing removed and remapped as it seems like the better longterm option. Its costing a total of 600 to get the part out and the ECU remapped for better fuel efficiency.

Has anyone here done this before? I would be interested to know how it effects the car's performance after.
Kiyak-1804
[quote name='Leemond80' date='16 September 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1284668898' post='97548']
I have had a similar problem with the DPF on my MK2 Focus 1.6 TDCI

I am about to get the whole thing removed and remapped as it seems like the better longterm option. Its costing a total of 600 to get the part out and the ECU remapped for better fuel efficiency.

Has anyone here done this before? I would be interested to know how it effects the car's performance after.
[/quote]

I'm wanting to do that to my Focus. The thing is i have no idea where to get it done, my friend got his Leon FR's DPF removed and the gains were crazy! He got an extra 40bhp and 80lb/ft of Torque! He didn't have any problems with his except a sensor went due to the heat coming from the exhaust. He get's quite a bit of smoke from his exhaust tho, but not enough to fail his MOT.

As far as I'm aware, the removal of the DPF of it's self isn't a problem, it's the ECU after, apparently there's a possiblilty of files going into a re-generation mode or somethin? (This is me trying to recall what I was told 6 months ago!) Any help or guidence on this issue would be much appriciated!!!
Wibbly
[quote name='catch' date='20 April 2010 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1271800935' post='78684']
In the normal everyday use of the car "regenerations" happen periodically when the EMS is instructed that the filter is starting to soot up.
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Mine does it (DPF regens) even when 70% of my journeys were continuous motorway, I guess because I drive it gently (rarely above 70mph, usually a tad under) on motorways. Was still getting an *average* of 60mpg across *all* driving though.
hawker
[quote name='Wibbly' date='17 September 2010 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1284731957' post='97593']
Mine does it (DPF regens) even when 70% of my journeys were continuous motorway, I guess because I drive it gently (rarely above 70mph, usually a tad under) on motorways. Was still getting an *average* of 60mpg across *all* driving though.
[/quote]

How can you tell when an automatic regen is taking place?

60MPG is fantastic. I was only getting 45MPG on average out of my 2006 1.6TDCi. Are you sure your not in limp mode!!??
artscot79
[quote name='hawker' date='17 September 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1284733204' post='97594']
How can you tell when an automatic regen is taking place?

60MPG is fantastic. I was only getting 45MPG on average out of my 2006 1.6TDCi. Are you sure your not in limp mode!!??
[/quote]

the leon will see gret gains any car will and as yet hes had no issues as yet the exhaust will not be able to cope with the heat it wasnt designed to take that much so will need uprated and anything near it will need heat wrapped the engine will wear faster as the ecu has been thrown out of kilter and will be overfuelling and eventually the smoke will become bad enough to fail an mot.the dpf removal was an american thing where this stuff doesnt matter they arent tested for smoke as well if you remove the dpf youre ecu will have issues at some point as the regen is programmed in thats where a remap comes in to sort it all out now by this time count in a stainless exhaust add a pro remap etc youre as well replacing the dpf the big problem comes when youre having running issues as no garage will be able to make sense of the readings nor will they know if its related to the dpf being removed so in the end you may need a new dpf anyway to find out if thats the issue
Wibbly
[quote name='hawker' date='17 September 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1284733204' post='97594']
How can you tell when an automatic regen is taking place?

60MPG is fantastic. I was only getting 45MPG on average out of my 2006 1.6TDCi. Are you sure your not in limp mode!!??
[/quote]

When a regen starts, I notice:

- Worse fuel consumption
- Engine fan is running though I would not expect it to be
- If on light throttle at the time I sometimes notice a brief 'blip' on the throttle, even though I didn't do anything. This issue may be fault now sorted because Ford just updated some (ECU?) software.

And the car runs far too well for it to be in limp home mode!


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