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fish4tea
hi..

seem to have developed a starting issue with my tdci fine this morning went out then car would nt turn over,dont suspect the immobilizer as all signs and light on clock show key is recognised but when go to start all that happens is a click from engine bay battery fine good volts and no change when jumpleads are used so i am suspecting the starter motor as the click i'm assuming is the solinoid,will check the earth cables tomorrow has any one got anything to add or had this before ?

have had starter motors fail on cars before but normally give you a bit of indication that it is about to fail any help gladly received

also the car starts fine if pushed or bump started
stef123
[quote name='fish4tea' date='03 May 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1272911732' post='80542']
hi..

seem to have developed a starting issue with my tdci fine this morning went out then car would nt turn over,dont suspect the immobilizer as all signs and light on clock show key is recognised but when go to start all that happens is a click from engine bay battery fine good volts and no change when jumpleads are used so i am suspecting the starter motor as the click i'm assuming is the solinoid,will check the earth cables tomorrow has any one got anything to add or had this before ?

have had starter motors fail on cars before but normally give you a bit of indication that it is about to fail any help gladly received

also the car starts fine if pushed or bump started
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as you rightly said, its not the immobiliser as this would not stop the engine turning over, it would stop fuel and spark(only on petrol engine ofcourse).

usually dirty connections or a bad earth will cause a clicking sound, connect one of your jump leads to a clean bit of the engine and the negative battery terminal and give it a try, this will show up a bad earth.
fish4tea
[quote name='stef123' date='03 May 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1272912224' post='80544']
as you rightly said, its not the immobiliser as this would not stop the engine turning over, it would stop fuel and spark.

usually dirty connections or a bad earth will cause a clicking sound, connect one of your jump leads to a clean bit of the engine and the negative battery terminal and give it a try, this will show up a bad earth.
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tried that but no change all points to the motor by the look of it,just looked in the haynes and looks a pig to get to as has to be got at from underneath
kingswood
[quote name='fish4tea' date='03 May 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1272911732' post='80542']
hi..

seem to have developed a starting issue with my tdci fine this morning went out then car would nt turn over,dont suspect the immobilizer as all signs and light on clock show key is recognised but when go to start all that happens is a click from engine bay battery fine good volts and no change when jumpleads are used so i am suspecting the starter motor as the click i'm assuming is the solinoid,will check the earth cables tomorrow has any one got anything to add or had this before ?

have had starter motors fail on cars before but normally give you a bit of indication that it is about to fail any help gladly received

also the car starts fine if pushed or bump started
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stef123
hmm, might be the starter then. and yes i can imagine its going to be a pig of a job :(
kingswood
HI FISH4TEA I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TROUBLE IS AS IT HAPPENED TO ME.
TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM IS SIMPLE AND NO YOU DONT HAVE TO REMOVE STARTER FROM
UNDERNEATH IT CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE TOP.!!!
SO YOU REMOVE STARTER REMOVE SOLENOID OFF IT AND PLACE IN CONTAINER OF BRAKE DUST
REMOVING FLUID BOUGHT FROM MOST MOTOR ACCESSORY STORES.
LEAVE OVERNIGHT AND THEN REFIT!!!!!! NO MORE STARTING ISSUES.!!
WHY ???? BECAUSE THE POSITION OF THE STARTER IS SUCH THAT IT ACCUMULATES
CARBON DEPOSITS FROM THE CLUTCH AND THIS ACTS AS AN INSULATOR STOPPING THE CONTACTS FROM MAKING A GOOD
CONNECTION. THE SOLENOID IS A SEALED UNIT OTHER THAN HAVING A PLUNGER OPENING TO WHICH
THE FLUID SEEPS THROUGH AND CLEANS THE SOLENOID.
GLAD TO HELP TRY THIS AND BE START TROUBLE FREE !!!!!!!!!!
fish4tea
[quote name='kingswood' date='03 May 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1272915242' post='80563']
HI FISH4TEA I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TROUBLE IS AS IT HAPPENED TO ME.
TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM IS SIMPLE AND NO YOU DONT HAVE TO REMOVE STARTER FROM
UNDERNEATH IT CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE TOP.!!!
SO YOU REMOVE STARTER REMOVE SOLENOID OFF IT AND PLACE IN CONTAINER OF BRAKE DUST
REMOVING FLUID BOUGHT FROM MOST MOTOR ACCESSORY STORES.
LEAVE OVERNIGHT AND THEN REFIT!!!!!! NO MORE STARTING ISSUES.!!
WHY ???? BECAUSE THE POSITION OF THE STARTER IS SUCH THAT IT ACCUMULATES
CARBON DEPOSITS FROM THE CLUTCH AND THIS ACTS AS AN INSULATOR STOPPING THE CONTACTS FROM MAKING A GOOD
CONNECTION. THE SOLENOID IS A SEALED UNIT OTHER THAN HAVING A PLUNGER OPENING TO WHICH
THE FLUID SEEPS THROUGH AND CLEANS THE SOLENOID.
GLAD TO HELP TRY THIS AND BE START TROUBLE FREE !!!!!!!!!!
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fish4tea
[quote name='kingswood' date='03 May 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1272915242' post='80563']
HI FISH4TEA I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TROUBLE IS AS IT HAPPENED TO ME.
TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM IS SIMPLE AND NO YOU DONT HAVE TO REMOVE STARTER FROM
UNDERNEATH IT CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE TOP.!!!
SO YOU REMOVE STARTER REMOVE SOLENOID OFF IT AND PLACE IN CONTAINER OF BRAKE DUST
REMOVING FLUID BOUGHT FROM MOST MOTOR ACCESSORY STORES.
LEAVE OVERNIGHT AND THEN REFIT!!!!!! NO MORE STARTING ISSUES.!!
WHY ???? BECAUSE THE POSITION OF THE STARTER IS SUCH THAT IT ACCUMULATES
CARBON DEPOSITS FROM THE CLUTCH AND THIS ACTS AS AN INSULATOR STOPPING THE CONTACTS FROM MAKING A GOOD
CONNECTION. THE SOLENOID IS A SEALED UNIT OTHER THAN HAVING A PLUNGER OPENING TO WHICH
THE FLUID SEEPS THROUGH AND CLEANS THE SOLENOID.
GLAD TO HELP TRY THIS AND BE START TROUBLE FREE !!!!!!!!!!
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sounds highly plausable will give it a go tomorrow,only problem will be starting it tomorrow as live in suffolk and we have a distinct lack of hills to park it on for a bump start,but hey thats another day
fish4tea
[quote name='fish4tea' date='03 May 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1272917664' post='80574']
sounds highly plausable will give it a go tomorrow,only problem will be starting it tomorrow as live in suffolk and we have a distinct lack of hills to park it on for a bump start,but hey thats another day
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fixed now I hope, worked on the bench ok so no real idea what was wrong, seemed clean, so cleaned and lubed it up and so far so good,but was easier to remove it from the underneath on this car anyway


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