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artscot79
according to yesterdays paper the list of most stolen vehicles in the uk was published and didnt make great reading to be honest

1.ford transit
2.ford fiesta
3.vauxhaull astra
4.volkswagen golf
5.vauxhall corsa
6.ford focus
7.mercedes sprinter
8.ford mondeo
9.ford escort
10.vauxhall vectra

sadly ford has more models stolen than any other manufacturer so beware guys those living in england have an 80% chance of having the car stolen.

it also states that 39% of those stolen had immobiliser alarm and steering lock as well as some other form of anti theft device fitted

the figures mean that fords are becoming more and more expensive to get insurancee for and explains why insurance premiums for these models never go down but up
cyb
A sad list but… I think that is poor /lazy journalism
It would be useful to know what registration/year we are talking about here,10 year old cars or last year’s models?

Also don’t forget that most of the cars on that list are the more ‘ready available’ models so therefore are more likely to get stolen.
The comment on anti theft devices is pointless without any other information as to ‘how’ they were stolen e.g. car keys stolen from house etc.
Sorry but I just dislike these 'nightmare' tales that don't really say even half the story :(
GRAHAM46
Most of the little scrotes these days will break into a house to take the keys rather than try to defeat a properly installed security system. Some people still make it easy for scum to take their car keys by not locking doors ar leaving car keys by the front door, fishing rods through letter boxes is not uncommon. The first thing i did when i got my Focus was to go straight to my local friendly alarm installer, Carsound in Middlesbrough, and have a Cobra alarm installed and i still use my old steering wheel lock.
artscot79
[quote name='cyb' date='25 May 2010 - 07:16 PM' timestamp='1274810772' post='83154']
A sad list but… I think that is poor /lazy journalism
It would be useful to know what registration/year we are talking about here,10 year old cars or last year's models?

Also don't forget that most of the cars on that list are the more 'ready available' models so therefore are more likely to get stolen.
The comment on anti theft devices is pointless without any other information as to 'how' they were stolen e.g. car keys stolen from house etc.
Sorry but I just dislike these 'nightmare' tales that don't really say even half the story [img]http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img]
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the models are generic so theres no info on what year its collaborated from all the insurance companies and police reports and simply lists the vehicle by make and manufacturer i found these figures on the uk vehicle crime database and as you said some are down to popularity and sheer numbers on the road but this doesnt help the insurance ratings any last year was the same the list for 2009 was [list=1][*]Vauxhall Astra 1999 - 2006 models[*]Volkswagen Golf 1998 - 2005[*]Ford Fiesta 80% aged 10 years or older 20% 2006-2009[*]Ford Focus yet again all models from 1999 to 2008[*]Ford Escort from 1996-1998[*]Vauxhall Corsa from 1998-2008[*]Ford Mondeo from 1998-2008[*]Ford Transit [*]Vauxhall Vectra[*]Honda Civic[/list]as for methods of how they were stolen 65% were stolen without the keys the rest were stolen after stealing the vehicles keys
many of the vehicles stolen with keys were 2007 onwards models even though the fords of new have a thatcham 5 star security rating and so do the astras
ford focus edge
I was watching car crime uk the other week and on there they said that in the greater manchester area focus's are stolen nearly more than any other car, the copper went on to say there an absoutle sod to try chase down because there so easy to hide due to being popular and out handle the big t5's and vectras round estates and this is now the bit that really made me laff, drug dealers are starting to use fords more and more as drug transport veichles because there so common... HAHA shoudalt laff but it tickled me!

Mike
ponsaloti
65% stolen without keys is cobblers.
Sorry but this information is bassed on misimformation give to insurance companies and/or the police.
Modern vehicles can only be stolen using the keys (original or new) recognised by the car or the car is lifted. There's no magical way around this. I know this, I am a locksmith and make vehicle keys.

Joe Blow has his car stolen and tells the insurance company he still has both sets of keys. Insurance pays out.
Mrs blow has her car stolen and tells the insurance company she can only find one of the sets of keys. Insurance company asks her if she's having a giraffe and tells her maybe the nice house insurance company may give her some money for another car.
artscot79
[quote name='ponsaloti' date='25 May 2010 - 10:01 PM' timestamp='1274820682' post='83172']
65% stolen without keys is cobblers.
Sorry but this information is bassed on misimformation give to insurance companies and/or the police.
Modern vehicles can only be stolen using the keys (original or new) recognised by the car or the car is lifted. There's no magical way around this. I know this, I am a locksmith and make vehicle keys.

Joe Blow has his car stolen and tells the insurance company he still has both sets of keys. Insurance pays out.
Mrs blow has her car stolen and tells the insurance company she can only find one of the sets of keys. Insurance company asks her if she's having a giraffe and tells her maybe the nice house insurance company may give her some money for another car.
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im no locksmith but ive seen vws and fords nicked without keys dont ask me how its done i have no idea but an old trick that many taxi drivers use is if they have only one key they remove the chip in it get half a dozen new keys normal ones cut then tape the chip to the underside of the steering colomn and all those new keys without chips work now that defeats the purpose of the chip really.but there is software available so that these guys for a few hundred quid can nick a car this is howe many high end cars are stolen anything can be hacked you just need to know how.

as a locksmith maybe you know how its possible to do it without keys i have no idea but it can be done ive watched many a programme where high end subarus are nicked without keys but have trackers fitted and the cops avoid showing you how its done though i agree many have likely lieda bout it though many older cars are easy to steal
ponsaloti
If the car is fitted with a factory immobaliser that relies on seeing the chip in the key, then it must see the chip for the car to run.
Very very few cars after 1995 can be hot wired.
Ford and VW need to see the chip to run.
Some asian cars dont use this chip technology to immobalise the car.

I can programe keys to cars when all keys are lost so obviously there is kit out there to do this but its almost never used by car thieves. Its far easyier and quicker to break into a house and get the keys than it is to sit in a car, pick the ignition, plug a machine in and teach in a chip.
artscot79
[quote name='ponsaloti' date='27 May 2010 - 11:52 PM' timestamp='1275000140' post='83394']
If the car is fitted with a factory immobaliser that relies on seeing the chip in the key, then it must see the chip for the car to run.
Very very few cars after 1995 can be hot wired.
Ford and VW need to see the chip to run.
Some asian cars dont use this chip technology to immobalise the car.

I can programe keys to cars when all keys are lost so obviously there is kit out there to do this but its almost never used by car thieves. Its far easyier and quicker to break into a house and get the keys than it is to sit in a car, pick the ignition, plug a machine in and teach in a chip.
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would it be sible to use a laptop to do it? not that i want to but im trying to work out how these high performance cars are stolen without the keys an d no damage i remember hearing summat about software on a laptop plugged into the car im assuming through the obd
ponsaloti
[quote name='artscot79' date='28 May 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1275045762' post='83413']
would it be sible to use a laptop to do it? not that i want to but im trying to work out how these high performance cars are stolen without the keys an d no damage i remember hearing summat about software on a laptop plugged into the car im assuming through the obd
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Ive told you how there stolen.


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