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hawker
Oh well, it turns out my "Engine Systems Fault" and limp mode experience has transpired into my worst nightmare, and Ford have indeed diagnosed it to be a blocked DPF (as I already knew beforehand having read the code myself).

Now surprising as it may seem, I find £1500 to fit a new one a touch on the extortionate side! Daylight robbery more like.

My questions/options now are:

1. I've been told by a trustworthy mechanic friend of mine (ex Pug mechanic) that many places just pull out the DPF and give it a steam clean/pressure washer blast. Anyone here every tried this

2. A local independent has told me they can possibly get a DPF for around the £350 mark.

If I go for either of the above, will the "Engine Systems Fault" error message automatically go away once a clean/new filter is in place, and will it automatically go out of limp home mode? Or will I still need to take it back to Ford once fitted for them to do this?
CAR PARTS EXPRESS
never heard of the steam cleaning method before
The after market items seem ok...i have recently supplied one to a customer as for the code...you will prob find the fluid will need refilling and it is a 'hard' stored code which needs a dealer to clear
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='08 July 2010 - 08:56 AM' timestamp='1278575213' post='87473']
Oh well, it turns out my "Engine Systems Fault" and limp mode experience has transpired into my worst nightmare, and Ford have indeed diagnosed it to be a blocked DPF (as I already knew beforehand having read the code myself).

Now surprising as it may seem, I find 1500 to fit a new one a touch on the extortionate side! Daylight robbery more like.

My questions/options now are:

1. I've been told by a trustworthy mechanic friend of mine (ex Pug mechanic) that many places just pull out the DPF and give it a steam clean/pressure washer blast. Anyone here every tried this

2. A local independent has told me they can possibly get a DPF for around the 350 mark.

If I go for either of the above, will the "Engine Systems Fault" error message automatically go away once a clean/new filter is in place, and will it automatically go out of limp home mode? Or will I still need to take it back to Ford once fitted for them to do this?
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You cannot really complain as the DPF has done well over 100K if my memory serves me right [what's your clock say] On the Ford maintenance schedule it's due for changing @ 75K. Prices don't seem bad going by this [url="http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/diesel-particulate-filters-display.php?model=FOCUS&Submit=Next&make=FORD"]LINK[/url] Get one bought, with a Eloy's top up and reset, that will be the motor sorted wont it, as I believe you have already had the clutch and timing belt done. As your only other option is to not have it done and to try and shift it on via a dealer, and they will just mark the valuation way down.

Just out of interest where did you read the fault code, was it using a code reader, if so which one was it you used?
hawker
I went to Fords about a month or so back for a Eolys fluid top-up and computer reset, as I wasnt 100% sure that this had been done before, so I did it just in case in an attempt to prolong the DPF. Well that didnt work very well!

So as far as this level is concerned, the computer should be happy, its just the red LED and "engine systems fault" on the LCD that I'm worried about. My gut feeling is that it wont correct itself once the cleaned/new filter is on and it will have to be yet another visit to Ford.

catch:
Its just coming up to 100K. Looking at some of the service history, it had a similar fault on 71000 miles and it was taken back to Fords, and all they did was a DPF regeneration, and did not fit new.

My £25 ebay OBDII (U480 if i remember correctly) recognized the yellow management light being there, but wouldnt return a code. It could reset the EM light, but not red LED and "engine systems fault" on the LCD display. My mate at a garage plugged his £3000 computer in and it got the fault code (P0242F) but like mine, could only clear the engine management light and could not get it out of limp home mode.

I've had enough of this car now to be honest catch. Its been a horror story. I've already forked out over £1200 on repairs on it since November, and now I'm staring down the barrel of a possible £1500 bill on top. All for a car that is now only currently worth around £4000 max! I'm putting in a dispute with the CarShop to formally reject the car and see what happens.
catch
[quote name='ALLFORD-PARTS' date='08 July 2010 - 09:33 AM' timestamp='1278577435' post='87475']
never heard of the steam cleaning method before
The after market items seem ok...i have recently supplied one to a customer as for the code...you will prob find the fluid will need refilling and it is a 'hard' stored code which needs a dealer to clear
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You should have a live link to your "parts catalogue" on your posts.
hawker
Thanks for that link catch.

I wasnt even aware that it had a cat. I thought the DPF was this diesel's version of a cat. You live and learn

I'm not sure if I would need the DPF only or DPF+Cat?
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='08 July 2010 - 09:57 AM' timestamp='1278578866' post='87478']
I went to Fords about a month or so back for a Eolys fluid top-up and computer reset, as I wasnt 100% sure that this had been done before, so I did it just in case in an attempt to prolong the DPF. Well that didnt work very well!

So as far as this level is concerned, the computer should be happy, its just the red LED and "engine systems fault" on the LCD that I'm worried about. My gut feeling is that it wont correct itself once the cleaned/new filter is on and it will have to be yet another visit to Ford.

catch:
My £25 ebay OBDII (U431 if i remember correctly) recognized the yellow management light being there, but wouldnt return a code. It could reset the EM light, but not red LED and "engine systems fault" on the LCD display. My mate at a garage plugged is £3000 computer in and it got the fault code (P0242F) but like mine, could only clear the engine management light.

I've had enough of this car now to be honest catch. Its been a horror story. I've already forked out over £1200 on repairs on it since November, and now I'm staring down the barrel of a possible £1500 bill on top. All for a car that is now only currently worth around £4000! I'm putting in a dispute with the CarShop to formally reject the car and see what happens.
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Yes I can fully understand how your feeling right now. Lets hope you get some where with your complaint, you should get Trading Standards involved. If the company get a call from Trading Standards they usually sit up and listen.

Example;

Short story, Tuesday 29 June a guy tips up on my door step miss selling energy services. Said the company he represented had bought out my current energy provider, and he just need a form signing .....I said he was a crook and a conman....he suggested we go for a little walk...what a w@nker. I tell him to take his hook, which he eventually does. Prior to the Spain Portugal game, I Googled Trading Standards, ring number on website, which puts me through to Consumer Direct. They say as I have not signed anything, there is nothing to sort out. I say HELLO, the guy tried to gain entry to my house using deception, to fraudulently solicit a signature from me. Then the penny dropped with the guy at Consumer Direct, he escalates it, I get two call backs from Trading Standards. They contact the energy provider, I phone the company Wednesday, Friday I get a letter from energy provider saying they are investigating. Following Monday, their Regional Manager [based an hour away] tips up on my door step for a statement [I said that's the way to get a signature :)] and apologises profusely saying it was not company practice to miss sell their services. I replied I realised that,otherwise I would have gone to the Media. Like I say Trading Standards makes em sit up

Back on topic, if you have had the Eloys reservoir refilled it will have had the reset done at the time [resetting the dosage clock] What you have is a blocked DPF code which may just need the Management Code clearing to extinguish the warning message after the DPF is replaced.

I say this because I had cause to disconnected the passenger air bag on my Volvo so I could take the dash in bits [another story] then switched the ignition on and drove the car. So I get a "go to dealer, airbag system fault" message. I thought if I reconnect the airbag the warning message should disappear. Not so I had to go to dealer for a code reset [two minute job via a hand held reader, hence no charge]
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='08 July 2010 - 10:09 AM' timestamp='1278579575' post='87480']
Thanks for that link catch.

I wasnt even aware that it had a cat. I thought the DPF was this diesel's version of a cat. You live and learn

I'm not sure if I would need the DPF only or DPF+Cat?
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I have not got a clue, you should be able to get that info from the parts supplier by giving them your reg or vin number. And to double check, why not look at the one actually on your motor. I realise you have completely lost faith in the car. But its not personal between you and the car, its just that the car has been an ugly duckling due to the maintenance schedule not being followed. And the fitting of a new DPF will turn it into Swan.

Edit: :rolleyes:
Just realised by looking at the link again, the DPF and combined Cat is for the Focus 1.6

DPF is for the Focus 2.0 meaning on the 2.00 the Cat is a separate component.

I have just clicked the "buy" link and as part of the process you have to input your Reg so its a fool proof buying process.
hawker
Thanks for everything catch. That link could well prove to be a life saver for me mate.

Oddly enough I really like this car, even tho I've had so much trouble with it. Its only thrown up this fault now because I had a badly split intercooler hose replaced, so now the correct amount air is flowing through the system for the first time in a long while (probably since I bought it) which has now spewed out the problem with the DPF. I've always thought there was something not quite right when driving - seeming slightly sluggish on certain rev ranges etc, and I'm sure once this is sorted it will be pretty much spot on.

since i bought in Nov 2009, it I have had to do the following:

1. Replace disks due to very bad corrosion. Chunks were actually falling off! (pads renewed too as <2mm)
2. water leak in boot coming from tailgate light cluster
3. all door locks freezing in cold weather. Cannot close doors once opened
4. Clutch+DMF renewed due to failure
5. Alternator renewed due to failure
6. Pollen filter renewed. totally blocked - nothing coming through air vents
7. All injector seals replaced due to leak on engine
8. Replaced cambelt and aux belt due to rattle - faulty tensioner/pulley
9. Bottom cranckshaft pulley faulty so replaced
10. Eolys fluid renewed+computer level reset (the one thing I have done out of my own accord!!!)
11. Split intercooler pipe replaced
12. Engine systems fault due to blocked DPF.

All this in the space of 7 months! I think this is a typical Friday afternoon car!

I'm now considering buying a Mazda3 2.0 Sport. Shares a lot with the Focus I know, but like I said, I really like the Focus, but I think my diesel days are over!

Well spotted catch. Yes the DPF only is for the 2.0. I'll be ordering the DPF+Cat. I rang them and lead time is only 24 hours so this seems great. I'll wait and see what the CarShop come back to me with first before I buy....
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='08 July 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1278583988' post='87488']
Thanks for everything catch. That link could well prove to be a life saver for me mate.[/quote]

No worries mate glad to be of assistance.

[quote]Well spotted catch. Yes the DPF only is for the 2.0.[/quote]

Yes like you, I had a bit of a "cannot see the woods for the trees" moment there :D

[quote] I'll wait and see what the CarShop come back to me with first before I buy....
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Good idea, hell they owe you big time. But I reckon you will have a fight on your hands.

I'd first put your case to Trading Standards see what they say before approaching CarShop. They [Trading Standards] may say, you having the work done before first approaching the selling company to see what they were prepared to do, may invalidate your case against them. I'm not saying that is the case, just put it to Trading Standards, they are on your side, its their job to see your not being done over. Jeez, having such a strong social outlook I'd just love a job where I got paid to bring Rogue Traders to book. Like I say get their opinion first, they could end up taking the case for you to the seller. It could save you solicitors fees fighting CarShop, if they know to ignore you is to invite the wrath of trading Standards down on their heads.

Anybody with a brain in their head can see [give your listed repairs] that the car in question was not fit for purpose.
hawker
Everything that has gone wrong on this car I have first reported back to the CarShop. points (1.) and (2.) were corrected by CarShop FOC under their 3 month warranty, point (4.) they contributed £150 towards, but all else they have washed their hands of and have been paid for by myself apart from (5.) which was the only thing so far that has been covered under the 2 year extended "warranty" that they pressure-sold to me on the day of purchase (the salesman even brought in a colleague into the room to badger+hound me into buying the useless bloody policy. after 2 hours stuck in a room with a car salesman i just wanted to go home!)

I'll wait and see what they say about the matter. I have requested my money back (£5500 + £550 "warranty", no chance I know, but worth a try) or even pay me what its worth now (approx £4000). At the very least it would be nice if they offered to replace the DPF in good faith for what I have been through. If they say they will contribute, then they would need to contribute a minimum of £1200 to get it done through Fords, anything less then I'll just get it done myself, as it should cost the following:
DPF+Cat+Delivery (£250)
Fitting (£50-100)
Possible computer reset at Fords to wipe out Engine System Fault+Red LED+Limp mode (£40)

So in theory doing it myself will cost me anywhere between £300 and £390.
Quite a difference from £1500, but still a hell of a lot of money to be forking out on a car that I will most likely end up part-ex'ing imminently.
catch
So [b]The Car Shop[/b] is definitely one to avoid in the future folks

hawker they must have known the DPF should have been replaced at the 75K service. And as such should have had it done prior to selling it to you at what mileage ? Again not fit for purpose in my book. Considering the expense you have had putting that car in order on top of being stuffed with a two year warranty which has only covered the alternator. Threaten them with Trading Standards, and you going to the media with your tale of whoa, if they are not willing to have it done at their expense. I reckon they will rather opt for stumping up £300/350 to fix it trade, than all the hassle and bad publicity they will get if they don't. You want them thinking, jeez we need to get this guy off our backs any time soon.
Karlos
[quote name='catch' date='08 July 2010 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1278602597' post='87522']
So [b]The Car Shop[/b] is definitely one to avoid in the future folks[/quote]

Slightly off topic, but I bought my Focus from the Car Shop in Northampton and touch wood, I've had no trouble with it other than them not stamping the service schedule (although I did get a service certificate).
hawker
I bought it with 92000 miles on the clock, so in 7 months, under 8000 miles motoring has cost me £1200 in repair bills alone, with another £1500 potential bill looming (if i went to Fords). All on a car that is only now worth £4000 at best.

I'll have a word with them tomorrow to see what they have to say so far on the matter.

Sound advice as usual, thanks catch.
bottletree
Hawker i know a few people that would have torched their car if they had had the half the trouble you had with yours. That list of faults is totally unacceptable. This DPF system on modern diesels is a disgrace and a scandalous way to get more money out of us car drivers. First they say it was global warming now they have changed their minds and called it climate change(which has been going on since the dawn of time).
I digress. Get the DPF sorted at a local garage and make sure they give you a guarantee with that.Hopefully HOPEFULLY that should be the end of your problems.
How do you know if the Eolys fluid needs topping up? Does a warning light come up on the dash? I dont know if my fluid was topped up at the 3 year service last November.
hawker
As far as I'm aware you will get a warning on the dash display/LED.
I only did mine to be safe as I wasnt 100% sure it was done previously
hawker
Well my ordeal just gets from bad to worse!

I rang buypartsby (catch's link) and they put in my Reg, and they said that the 1.6 is DPF+cat, and the part on the website was incorrect and they are not able to supply and suggested that all I can do is go back to Ford! (who charge £750+VAT)

I'm stuffed basically.
My only option now is to take off the DPF and attempt to clean it through.

God I wish I never bought this tub. Biggest car mistake I have ever made
:(

Edit: And after my telephone conversation with buypartsby, the DPF for the 1.6 has now been taken off their website.

Can anyone on here help me source a DPF+cat for a 2006 1.6 TDCi cheaply??
catch
hawker try getting a price from this firm, it says you have to call for price. Or any Auto Parts supplier for that matter as they should all be able to source the part. I mean it's not from another planet is it, there will be a Chinese factory knocking them out by the thousand somewhere :rolleyes:

Have you contacted Trading Standards ? If not why not it costs you nothing. Look they sold you a car that should have had its DPF replace circa 75K. Did they make you aware that this had not been done and that the cost to do so is just shy of £900. And not covered by the 2 year warranty they stuffed you with. Plus all the other issues this car has had, it must been deemed not fit for purpose. Pick that bloody phone up, what is it going to cost you to get Trading Standards input into the fiasco, nothing, zero ....bugger all!!! [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/suggy1/brickwall.gif[/IMG]
hawker
My response from CarShop was totally unacceptable. Basically they just washed their hands of all responsibility for everything that has gone wrong. They even lied to me and stated that they contacted Ford and was told that the DPF lasts the lifetime of the vehicle, which I know for a fact is total bolox as its definitely renewed at 75K.

I have emailed Trading Standards and also a local ITV watchdog programme called "The Ferret" and have informed CarShop that I have done so. I have also obtained the email address of one of the CarShop's heads, and have informed him exactly of the current situation and of their inadequate responses thereto.

Catch, I did ring them, and they said that that they couldn't supply this and to get if from Fords themselves.

In the meantime, I will take the Ford Tub to my local garage and swap it for a can of WD40. :rolleyes: If they decline the offer, then I'll get them to take the DPF out and give it a clean through with a pressure/steam washer, and see if this fixes it. If not, and I get no joy from the other avenues, then I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy a new DPF+Cat, and probably have to end up keeping the car for a few years longer.
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='13 July 2010 - 12:22 PM' timestamp='1279019559' post='88177']


I have emailed Trading Standards and also a local ITV watchdog programme called "The Ferret" and have informed CarShop that I have done so. I have also obtained the email address of one of the CarShop's heads, and have informed him exactly of the current situation and of their inadequate responses thereto.
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Right I take the head banging smiley back than :)

Stick in there mate, I know it's easy me saying that, but that's what you have to do. I once blocked the entrance to the Silver Cross Pram factory. Because they were ignoring me and my complaint, surprising how their attitude changed after ten minutes of nothing coming in and nothing going out of the factory gates.

Have you thought of getting some big signs made, short but to the point explaining your treatment at the hands of CarShop and parking outside their sales site. With the local press and TV station present even better. Even if the media are not initially interested, I'm sure a few Saturday/Sundays parked up outside their entrance will make your story news worthy. How about popping that into your email to the Management. Stating he can choose to be proactive regards your shoddy treatment by the company, or they can become reactive in regard to the media and trading standards enquries that must surely follow.
hawker
Anything's worth a try catch! :D

I'll wait and see what this CarShop big-gun has to say in his response and take it from there.
bottletree
So Hawker what is the reason for you to have the cat renewed too? I thought you would only need the DPF renewed? I have same car as yours so i am keeping track on your story(nightmare)as it goes along. :o :huh: :huh:
Karlos
Just a thought, but are there any companies that do a DPF delete kit for the Focus?

I know that there are people out there doing them in VAG circles, so I'm sure there must be a kit out there for the Focus.
catch
[quote name='bottletree' date='13 July 2010 - 03:16 PM' timestamp='1279030009' post='88193']
So Hawker what is the reason for you to have the cat renewed too? I thought you would only need the DPF renewed? I have same car as yours so i am keeping track on your story(nightmare)as it goes along. :o :huh: :huh:
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come on get with the program, if you had clicked the link provided to the component in question you would have seen in the case of the 1.6 engine it appears to be a Cat and DFP combined. Whereas with the 2.0 engine it is obvious you can purchase a DPF only component.......now don't doze of again :D
hawker
[quote name='catch' date='13 July 2010 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1279030808' post='88199']
come on get with the program, if you had clicked the link provided to the component in question you would have seen in the case of the 1.6 engine it appears to be a Cat and DFP combined. Whereas with the 2.0 engine it is obvious you can purchase a DPF only component.......now don't doze of again :D
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Why dont you try clicking your link again catch?
More "taking back" required?
:lol:

The 1.6 TDCi requires DPF+Cat combined.
Not sure about the 1.8, but the 2.0 TDCi is DPF only.
The best price I can get now for this DPF+Cat combined elsewhere is £350
Still, better than £750+VAT that Fords are asking, but still, one hell of an expensive filter!

I'm going to give the DPF a jetwash on Monday and see if this works. Not the perfect solution I know, but I'm hoping it will give it another few thousand miles, long enough for me to get shot of it.
catch
[quote name='Karlos' date='13 July 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1279030536' post='88197']
Just a thought, but are there any companies that do a DPF delete kit for the Focus?

I know that there are people out there doing them in VAG circles, so I'm sure there must be a kit out there for the Focus.
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Like your fuel data link, very interesting. I had that engine in a S40 Volvo here is what I got out of it before I sold it:-
[u]Miles........................Type of driving............MPG [/u]
1065......Motorway + touring in Dorset....44.60
896.......Motorway + touring in Devon.... 43.47
[u]3147.....................Urban..........................38.43[/u]
5108................Total average..................40.42
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='13 July 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1279031353' post='88201']
Why dont you try clicking your link again catch?
More "taking back" required?
:lol:
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Not so, original link posted by me 8th July, bottletree posted to the thread 10th July. Now if he was taking an interest in the outcome of the thread, given he has the same vehicle ...................You contact BuyParts and report the fact today, after you called them Yesterday I hazard a guess, they altered that webpage my link linked to............... I rest my case M'lord :rolleyes: He has not been paying attention :D
hawker
[quote name='catch' date='13 July 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1279032549' post='88204']
Not so, original link posted by me 8th July, bottletree posted to the thread 10th July. Now if he was taking an interest in the outcome of the thread, given he has the same vehicle ...................You contact BuyParts and report the fact today, after you called them Yesterday I hazard a guess, they altered that webpage my link linked to............... I rest my case M'lord :rolleyes: He has not been paying attention :D
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Orrite, I'll let you off this time catch! :lol:

Fingers crossed for this "DPF Jetwash" on Monday!
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='13 July 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1279031353' post='88201']


The best price I can get now for this DPF+Cat combined elsewhere is 350[/quote]

That would appear to be par for the course in the cost stakes. I should imagine the DPF set up is the same for a Volvo S40 2.0TDCi as the Focus 2.0 TDCi as they share engines. And that said a guy was quoted ballpark 340 for the DPF alone if it is indeed the same component.

[quote]
Fingers crossed for this "DPF Jetwash" on Monday!
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Well I'll be amazed if that makes it a serviceable component. If it was a viable solution, I would imagine garages would be advertising the service........but I'm willing to be proved wrong......but I very much doubt it.
hawker
There are companies in the US and Canada that have specially designed DPF cleaning machines, so it can be done. The only one I've seen in the UK is a place in Newcastle, so thats not practical for me being in Cardiff. These charge £145 for cleaning, but as delivery to them and back is requried, then this will add £57.50 to the overall cost. Still worth thinking about (cheaper than buying a new one at £350) but it would mean the car would be off the road for a while and I would have to keep the car at the garage after the DPF has been sent off.

I've seen on a Turbo Diesel forum that jet washing can clean it through enough too, and I know 2 knowledgeable car boffs who specialise in engine management faults+diagnosis, and they both suggested it.

Its a gamble I know, but I may have to waste £100 to try it (labour to get the DPF off, clean and replace, then take it back to Ford with fingers firmly crossed to reset and get it out of limp home mode) If it works, then great, I got a "new" DPF for £100, if not, then £100 down the pan, and I'll get a new one for £350. After fitting this and another reset back at Fords it will come to about £550 all in (including the £100 fail) which is just under a grand cheaper than going to Fords in the first place, so I'll take a chance.

I think quite a few of you Focus Diesel owners on here will be following this experiment with great interest! ;)
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='13 July 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1279034642' post='88213']
There are companies in the US and Canada that have specially designed DPF cleaning machines, so it can be done. The only one I've seen in the UK is a place in Newcastle, so thats not practical for me being in Cardiff.

I've seen on a Turbo Diesel forum that jet washing can clean it through enough too, and I know 2 knowledgeable car boffs who specialise in engine management faults+diagnosis, and they both suggested it.[/quote]

Fair does, lets hope it does work.

[quote]Its a gamble I know, but I may have to waste £100 to try it (labour to get the DPF off, clean and replace, then take it back to Ford with fingers firmly crossed to reset and get it out of limp home mode)[/quote]

So it's still in Limp Home Mode, so will it just be a case of a Ford dealer resetting it [any cost attached to that, or has Ford become a charity overnight :ph34r: ]

[quote]If it works, then great, I got a "new" DPF for £100, if not, then £100 down the pan, and I'll get a new one for £350. After fitting this and another reset back at Fords it will come to about £550 all in (including the £100 fail) which is just under a grand cheaper than going to Fords in the first place, so I'll take a chance.[/quote]
I guess you really do want the cheapest fix prior to getting shut of it

[quote] I think quite a few of you Focus Diesel owners on here will be following this experiment with great interest! ;)
[/quote] I bet they are, I am and I have a 1.6 Zetec petrol :D
catch
Just a thought it being a Cat and DPF combo, I reckon the odds on a Jet Wash not working are much greater. Can you confirm Jet washing works on the combo's ? If not if I were you I'd save the £100 + Ford reset cost and bite the bullet with a new DPF
artscot79
[quote name='catch' date='13 July 2010 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1279036307' post='88221']
Just a thought it being a Cat and DPF combo, I reckon the odds on a Jet Wash not working are much greater. Can you confirm Jet washing works on the combo's ? If not if I were you I'd save the 100 + Ford reset cost and bite the bullet with a new DPF
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try this http://www.gencat.co.uk/dpf_cleaning.html

its not gauranteed though and at 250 quid excluding vat is it worth it? last thing you want is to pay the cash get it cleaned and it doesnt work or odes but only for a short time and yoiu need to spend another 750 i had a word with a guy along the road called davie he owns the diesel repair shop along from my house and he said that they have been unsucessful trying to get the cat and dpf combo on the mondeos cleaned and hisopinion is save the 250 quid 750 is better than a total of a grand
hawker
I'm inclined to agree fellas. I spoke to the bloke who would be cleaning it and explained that its a DPF+Cat combo, and he said that it depends on the setup of where the one is relation to the other, but its pretty unlikely that cleaning will work as the cat is much more sensitive and wouldnt withstand a pressure clean.

Think I'll order a new one tomorrow at £350, get it fitted on Mon (hopefully between £50 and £100), then take it to Fords on Tue to reset and get it out of limp mode for £40.

Not ideal as its expense I really couldnt be doing with just before selling, but much much better than going to Fords. Downside is, as its not a genuine Ford part I suppose I cant 100% guarantee that its going to fit properly, but as long as I get rid of this engine fault and limp mode, I couldnt care less!
artscot79
[quote name='hawker' date='13 July 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1279050613' post='88258']
I'm inclined to agree fellas. I spoke to the bloke who would be cleaning it and explained that its a DPF+Cat combo, and he said that it depends on the setup of where the one is relation to the other, but its pretty unlikely that cleaning will work as the cat is much more sensitive and wouldnt withstand a pressure clean.

Think I'll order a new one tomorrow at 350, get it fitted on Mon (hopefully between 50 and 100), then take it to Fords on Tue to reset and get it out of limp mode for 40.

Not ideal as its expense I really couldnt be doing with just before selling, but much much better than going to Fords. Downside is, as its not a genuine Ford part I suppose I cant 100% guarantee that its going to fit properly, but as long as I get rid of this engine fault and limp mode, I couldnt care less!
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its certainly better than nothing i suppose at least you can say its done shame they had to make diesels so much of a pain like the guy i was speaking to said he gets so many people in and its dpf related none or little knew thay had it or that it would need replaced some cost up to 2 grand i havent been a big fan of diesels and i think you can see why everyone i know who has or has had a diesel has had misery diesel pumps going starting issues the noise at traffic lights etc etc sorry to hear its been a misery for you i take it another diesels out of the question then
hawker
Once I get the focus fixed, I'll be in the market for a Mazda3 or Mazda6 petrol. My DPF diesel days are over, but I would consider a low mileage non-DPF diesel however
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='14 July 2010 - 09:10 AM' timestamp='1279094453' post='88292']
Once I get the focus fixed, I'll be in the market for a Mazda3 or Mazda6 petrol. My DPF diesel days are over, but I would consider a low mileage non-DPF diesel however
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Well to be honest I loved the Volvo S40 2.0D SE turbo diesel. OK you have a 1.6 but you will still miss the midrange torque.I sold it because the wife hankered back for a Focus. And on top of that, I found out everything about renewing parts on a Volvo seemed expensive compared to running a Ford Focus. Not that I had to fix anything in the 9 months I had it, and it just did its regenerations as and when the management deemed it was needed. I never had a service message about the soot filter all the time I had it. But like you and others the DPF issue was news to me, and worried me unduly. And so all things considered I swopped it for a petrol Focus, which to be honest suits our driving requirements better, and I have yet to find a car that is a better drive than a Focus.

BUT, would I buy a diesel again with a DPF, sure I would even on my low mileage, that better umph is great. Next year a 1.6 Focus will be Zero Road Tax, on my present 1.6 petrol it's £155. I get 32 mpg on average, in a diesel variant I'd be getting 50% more miles to the gallon.

Look what I'm saying is get the DPF replaced and you will have ballpark 100K miles of driving pleasure in front of you before it needs replacing. Even if your doing mostly urban runs, every 300 miles or so just drive it for 15 /20 minutes at between 3000/3500rpm, that sets the engine up to do a DPF cleaning cycle. If your not getting a soot filter full message the DPF is getting cleaned as and when, even with you driving style. But if you get the message just drive as stated before. The vast majority of people driving diesels don't have DPF issues. I bet it's in the region of 99.999% that don't have problems, understanding how it works and being aware of you driving now and again to aid the cleaning process, obviously helps.

I mean, you will be sat on a motor with a new DPF, Clutch, Cam Belt, Alternator, Front Disks and Pads.............what have you got to look forward to in the replacement parts stakes....a set of rear brake shoes?

Fix it, run it for six months if your still not happy with it. Play the Russian Roulette PX game again. And think on you will lose 18 months warranty if you flog it now. Small print may say if it's a private sale it can be transferred to the new owner for a fee. Sale to a trader or garage means the outstanding warranty period is lost as it cannot be transferred to a garage. Think carefully about your options before you make rash decisions based on your current duress.
hawker
DPF+Cat ordered today. Was £350, now dropped to £310, so a little luck for a change! Fitting on Monday, Ford's scheduled for Tue to hopefully reset engine lights+error message and take out of limp home mode (fingers crossed)

I agree with everything you have said catch mate. I'm inclined to keep it considering now its practically a new car with all the new stuff thats been fitted, and I know once its fitted and out of limp mode, I'll be able to drive it properly for possibly the first time since I had it now that the split intercooler hose has been replaced, I'll probably really like it. ([b]NOTE for TDCI owners[/b]: did you know ford have changed the design for this intercooler pipe? The original (the one I had replaced) had a concertina flexi-rubber at the top (similar to the main air box connector). Its now a solid hose, so my fault must be a common one due to the hose clip cutting through the rubber due to engine vibration. My advice to you all is to check for a split around the hose clip, as it has a big impact on performance and MPG!)

All this said, I cant help thinking its a jinxed car tho. The missus absolutely hates it after everything that has gone wrong, its very difficult to have confidence in a car having to put up with fault after fault after fault. I'm not in a mad rush to PX it tho, and if finding the right car for me proves difficult, that confidence may return if all goes well. Either that or I'll drive it off a cliff!
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='14 July 2010 - 10:44 AM' timestamp='1279100047' post='88302']

All this said, I cant help thinking its a jinxed car tho.[/quote] Or you just bought a car that had covered nigh on 100K without having any money spent on it. And you ended up having to sort that neglect out. [quote] The missus absolutely hates it after everything that has gone wrong, its very difficult to have confidence in a car having to put up with fault after fault after fault.[/quote] when have women ever been logical :D they are driven by emotion. Don't get me wrong it's not a failing it's just a fact, so sure she is going to feel that way. [quote]I'm not in a mad rush to PX it tho, and if finding the right car for me proves difficult, that confidence may return if all goes well[/quote] the odds stack up against it failing every time you sort something out.[quote]Either that or I'll drive it off a cliff!
[/quote] No don't do that, with your luck you may find out you have a faulty drivers door mechanism :rolleyes:
artscot79
[quote name='catch' date='14 July 2010 - 12:14 PM' timestamp='1279105440' post='88305']
Or you just bought a car that had covered nigh on 100K without having any money spent on it. And you ended up having to sort that neglect out. when have women ever been logical :D they are driven by emotion. Don't get me wrong it's not a failing it's just a fact, so sure she is going to feel that way. the odds stack up against it failing every time you sort something out. No don't do that, with your luck you may find out you have a faulty drivers door mechanism :rolleyes:
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i have to say i know how you feel my old vw passat was the same you lose confidence in the car when it seems to be nothing else than fix fix fix spending more and more cash on it as you go my mrs was the same she told me to get rid of it as she had ewnough to be honest so had i so i know where youre coming from its hard to like the car again i used to look at it and hate it and theres was no problem when i traded it in never looked back.

have to agree with the luck youve had youll try to drive it off a clifff the hand brake will stick on youll push a bit harder it will free off the seatbelt will suddenly fail trapping youre arm and pulling you in lol like catch says youve spent a lot and done a lot of work on it now maybe keeping it is the best bet i know whta youre thinking i thought it to ?what next?
hawker
I'll get this DPF fitted (and hopefully out of limp mode) beginning of next week and see how things go. Fingers crossed, I may have a nice drive for a week or two!

CarShop may respond favourably soon, after my threats and emailing one of their executive directors, so I'll also see where that avenue take me. If they offer me what the car is worth now and to take the car off me I may consider it, and use the money to buy a car (from elsewhere!!) for cash to give me a little more bargaining leverage.
hawker
UPDATE:

I bought the DPF from a Midlands company i found on eBay for 310.
Had it fitted today. It was far from a perfect fit (one pipe had to be heated up and bent to the correct position for example), but after 3 hours its finally on, and touch wood, all seems well for now. All the engine lights and warning messages were also reset and it is no longer in limp mode (so no need to visit Ford tomorrow)

See how goes. Fingers crossed, it will last long enough for me to find a nice Mazda 6!
catch
Finally, well done, pity it did not fit right first time as that racked up the fitting time. Which company did you use one Ebay? As I see Ford Motor company are actually selling on Ebay. And they state that any Ford part can be supplied. If it was not them it would be interesting to know how much they would charge to supply via Ebay the actual Ford part. All you have to do is email them your registration number.

Give it a go and see what they would charge, as it may be of interest to board members for all manner of parts.
I see they are charging less for front mud flaps than what I paid else where on line 15% cheaper.
catch
Forgot to add the [url="http://stores.ebay.co.uk/FordOnlineParts?_rdc=1"]EBAY LINK[/url]
hawker
I bought the DPF from [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300399069882&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT"]Here[/url]

The ad says £350, but I rang the number to order, and they said that the price has dropped to £310.

I contacted that Ford ebay company.
For DPF they charge £1076.30 inc vat, and if you send them the old one back, they give you a £150+VAT refund. (basically so they can clean it out and sell it on for £1076.30 no doubt) Strangely enough, my local Ford dealer did not mention this old-part refund whatsoever!

I am amazed that main dealers dont offer DPF cleaning as a service, as I am sure there will be many just like me who refuse to buy the new genuine part considering this utterly ridiculous price.
UKTamo
[quote name='hawker' date='19 July 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1279548154' post='89045']
UPDATE:

I bought the DPF from a Midlands company i found on eBay for 310.
Had it fitted today. It was far from a perfect fit (one pipe had to be heated up and bent to the correct position for example), but after 3 hours its finally on, and touch wood, all seems well for now. All the engine lights and warning messages were also reset and it is no longer in limp mode (so no need to visit Ford tomorrow)

See how goes. Fingers crossed, it will last long enough for me to find a nice Mazda 6!
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Hi hawker,

I have the same problem, so I'm going to order the same DPF as you. When the garage fitted it, what system did they need to reset it out of Limp Home Mode, was just just OBD systems or did they have to use Ford's IDS?

Thanks

Thomas
hawker
It was a non-Ford OBDII system. Snap-on Solus Pro I think was the model, but its still quite a substantial+expensive piece of kit. Ford computer NOT required.

When you turn the ignition on just after fitting, you will still get the error.
Plug in the tool, and the error number should have changed. I originally had P242F for DPF replacement required. This had changed to DPF regeneration required (cant remember the code). Just reset the error code, switch ignition off+start engine, and hey presto, you can then rev more than 3000 rpm.

As I've said, its NOT a perfect fit. One pipe had to be heated up and bent into the correct position, but this MIGHT have been bent in transit. (Be interesting to see how yours is) Some of the holes for the heat shield did not line up correctly (shield had to be drilled) and at the front between the DPF and head shield, there is a substantial metal bracket that is taken off the original DPF and provides a bolt through a hole in the front of the shield to place a nut on. this could not be replaced onto the new (the shield physically couldnt be screwed back down in place at the top with the bracket in) and was left out. Its not too important as long as there are enough nuts elsewhere securing the shield in place.
catch
[quote name='UKTamo' date='20 July 2010 - 11:56 AM' timestamp='1279622814' post='89158']
Hi hawker,

I have the same problem, so I'm going to order the same DPF as you. When the garage fitted it, what system did they need to reset it out of Limp Home Mode, was just just OBD systems or did they have to use Ford's IDS?

Thanks

Thomas
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I realise I'm labouring on this point, but why do you not use that Ford link I supplied. Drop them an email with your registration number, and ask them how much a proper Ford replacement DPF costs. Might save paying a mechanic a couple of hours for doing a bit of blacksmithing, forcing a none Ford sourced part to fit.

An email costs bugger all, and your under no obligation to buy, and at least then you will have two prices to consider before you purchase. :rolleyes:
hawker
[quote name='catch' date='20 July 2010 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1279637647' post='89181']
I realise I'm labouring on this point, but why do you not use that Ford link I supplied. Drop them an email with your registration number, and ask them how much a proper Ford replacement DPF costs. Might save paying a mechanic a couple of hours for doing a bit of blacksmithing, forcing a none Ford sourced part to fit.

An email costs bugger all, and your under no obligation to buy, and at least then you will have two prices to consider before you purchase. :rolleyes:
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See my post Catch (post 45)
:rolleyes:
catch
[quote name='hawker' date='20 July 2010 - 09:21 AM' timestamp='1279613508' post='89144']
I bought the DPF from [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300399069882&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT"]Here[/url]

The ad says £350, but I rang the number to order, and they said that the price has dropped to £310.

I contacted that Ford ebay company.
For DPF they charge £1076.30 inc vat, and if you send them the old one back, they give you a £150+VAT refund. (basically so they can clean it out and sell it on for £1076.30 no doubt) Strangely enough, my local Ford dealer did not mention this old-part refund whatsoever!

I am amazed that main dealers dont offer DPF cleaning as a service, as I am sure there will be many just like me who refuse to buy the new genuine part considering this utterly ridiculous price.
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:o don't know how I missed that post, daft bugger. Bloody hell that price is just taking the pee, obviously what Ford are saying is [b]"they don't want to sell you one"[/b]

I'll try and find an article where it states Ford Germany, on hearing the Federal government was going to make owners of cars not having a DPF fitted would be charge every time they took their car into a city. Something like that, anyway what Ford did was offer to supply Ford owners with DPF's circa £185 if my memory serves me right. That was late last year.

Like I stated in an earlier post on another DPF thread, a Volvo branded parts supplier over on the Volvo forum sells DPF's for a S40, circa £345.


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