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cressws1
Evening Guys.

Looking for a new project for the Focus and stumbled across this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FOCUS-COMPLETE-FUEL-TRIP-COMPUTER-KIT-GHIA-RS-ST-/110542752831?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM#ht_3830wt_911).

What I need to know is:

- Is it just a case of plugging all of these gadgets in? Eg is the wiring loom already there for them or not?
- Where does the 'outside temperature gauge' go?
- Any advice from someone who's done this before.

Thanks in advance.
artscot79
[quote name='cressws1' date='27 August 2010 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1282936157' post='94894']
Evening Guys.

Looking for a new project for the Focus and stumbled across this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FOCUS-COMPLETE-FUEL-TRIP-COMPUTER-KIT-GHIA-RS-ST-/110542752831?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM#ht_3830wt_911).

What I need to know is:

- Is it just a case of plugging all of these gadgets in? Eg is the wiring loom already there for them or not?
- Where does the 'outside temperature gauge' go?
- Any advice from someone who's done this before.

Thanks in advance.
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the wiring isnt there on all cars the loom is behind the dash clock if you have it taped to the metal beam thats just a straight plug in then the washer bottle with the sensor has to be fitted the outside temp gaiuge goes under the scuttle panel there should be wires there if not then you dont have the wiring
stef123
ive always fancied doing this myself, might look into it sometime this weekend.

there is a guide on ebay for 1.99 that according to the listing has all the info you need.
cressws1
Ok so I've been out and had a quick look (You know what its like when you get an idea) and Ive found a plug taped to the metal beam behind one of the air vents (see below), Is this the bad boy? Also if this is the wire I need am I right in thinking all I need is the following:

- Trip computer with new clock surround, Straight swap for the surround thats there now (minus the little cubby hole for coins of course!)
- Replacement indicator stalk, Straight swap for the one thats there now, Same way as the wiper stalk is done.
- Washer bottle with sensor, Wheel off, Wheel arch liner out, Undo bolts and give it a pull.
- Outside temperature gauge, Plugs into the loom with the Horn, Taped to a metal bar somewhere behind one of the front grills.

Sorry about the quality of the image, It was dark and a torch used as a flash!
ford focus edge
I've been thinking of doing this for ages but from what i've heard from down the grape vine there not the most reliable of parts to wack on tempting i admit and id love the outside temp readout and range.

I've also bought from that seller before just a word of advice, Clean it before you fit it! lol
H3lly
Try [url="http://fordfocusworld.com"]fordfocusworld.com[/url] for how to guides and advice. A few have fitted them.
stef123
where is that connector located then? im gonna go have a quick look

EDIT: i presume its behind the dash trim where the computer goes?
cressws1
I'd read a few reports saying it was behind the speedo clocks. These are removed by firstly removing the surround, 3 screws on the upper of the surround. Secondly remove the 4 screws from the clock set, DO NOT UNPLUG THE CLOCKS. The connector may be taped up in the foam sticky stuff to a metal bar.

Where I found mine was simply by pulling out the two central air vents (literally give the outer of the vents a pull and they will come away). It was taped in black electrical tape to a horizontal bar. The cable length is literally just long enough to reach where the trip computer goes.

Hope this helps.
stef123
[quote name='cressws1' date='27 August 2010 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1282943880' post='94915']
I'd read a few reports saying it was behind the speedo clocks. These are removed by firstly removing the surround, 3 screws on the upper of the surround. Secondly remove the 4 screws from the clock set, DO NOT UNPLUG THE CLOCKS. The connector may be taped up in the foam sticky stuff to a metal bar.

Where I found mine was simply by pulling out the two central air vents (literally give the outer of the vents a pull and they will come away). It was taped in black electrical tape to a horizontal bar. The cable length is literally just long enough to reach where the trip computer goes.

Hope this helps.
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yes that helps, so i should be able to get at the connector if i pull the clocks out? dont want to pull the vents out, last time i tried that i broke it :lol: wasnt a ford though..
cressws1
[quote name='stef123' date='27 August 2010 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1282944052' post='94916']
yes that helps, so i should be able to get at the connector if i pull the clocks out? dont want to pull the vents out, last time i tried that i broke it :lol: wasnt a ford though..
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It depends its an even shot at being behind either the clocks or the vent. I dont think you could break the focus vents they're not even held in with anything and just pull out.
stef123
[quote name='cressws1' date='27 August 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1282944165' post='94917']
It depends its an even shot at being behind either the clocks or the vent. I dont think you could break the focus vents they're not even held in with anything and just pull out.
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hah, i will go have a look in a sec. standby for a damage report :lol:

EDIT: well i pulled out the 2 centre and driver side vent, no wiring there from what i can see. i will remove the clocks tomorow for a look.

is there any reason why the clocks shouldnt be disconnected? if the battery is disconnected then surely there is no difference? if i need the loom to fit mine i will need to disconnect them
stef123
well there is no wiring in my car for the trip computer :( pulled half the dash apart and no sign of it

and pin 10 on the stalk where the yellow and brown? wire should be is empty
cressws1
[quote name='stef123' date='28 August 2010 - 12:58 PM' timestamp='1282996095' post='94963']
well there is no wiring in my car for the trip computer :( pulled half the dash apart and no sign of it

and pin 10 on the stalk where the yellow and brown? wire should be is empty
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Looks like you dont have it then mate. Its normally a case of you have all of the wires or none of them. I've yet to check the stalk but I'll nip out and double check.
HeadShoT2009
What information do these actualy give as modern ones give loads of options , my mates fiat has trip time average speed current mpg
cressws1
As well as outside temperature and Screen washer fluid level, It gives average speed, Average MPG, Current MPG, Frost Warning and Fuel Range.
HeadShoT2009
Ah thats what i want mainly the average mpg and washer level. What air vent is it the wiring located as i tried pullin on the center vent and didnt want to come out ive got a mk1. And even if that came out it wouldnt of looked like what the picture did
cressws1
That picture is of the surround of the trip computer (little coin tray to the left of your clocks) with the wire fed through the hole.

The place I found the wire was behind the left centre air vent taped down the back of the steel beam.
steve-focus1.6
iv got a 2000 w ghia and i crnt find the wiring on mne but i thought with it being the ghia it should have it, il have a look behind the clocks laterb to day
artscot79
[quote name='steve-focus1.6' date='29 August 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1283078170' post='95106']
iv got a 2000 w ghia and i crnt find the wiring on mne but i thought with it being the ghia it should have it, il have a look behind the clocks laterb to day
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you wont get mpg etc as you wont have the fuel sensor that sits in the tank very few cars have it fitted as standard so it will only give you temp and washer low etc but no fuel data not all carss have it it depends on the reg ford removed the extra wiring from a lot of later models and the ghia my friend if a ghia comes with tyhe computer as standard
cressws1
You sure it doesn't run off the same sensor as the fuel level warning?
artscot79
[quote name='cressws1' date='31 August 2010 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1283284605' post='95448']
You sure it doesn't run off the same sensor as the fuel level warning?
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okay asked a guy im working with today his brothers a ford master mech the mpg and fuel functions will not work without the ecu priogrammed with those settings you will get the fluid warning outside temp and ice warning but nothing else also the indicator stalk needs to be switched with one that has the info function on it he has checked and only the ghia had the ecu preprogrammed with the settings and any others that specified it as standard it can be updated but will cost 150 quid to have it done you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
steve-focus1.6
mines a ghia and it doesnt have it and my mum had a 2000 focus ghia and that didnt either
does any 1 know were the temp sensor plug is?i found a losse plug below the bonett mechanism with 1 wire coming out the back
cressws1
[quote name='steve-focus1.6' date='06 September 2010 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1283812372' post='96239']
mines a ghia and it doesnt have it and my mum had a 2000 focus ghia and that didnt either
does any 1 know were the temp sensor plug is?i found a losse plug below the bonett mechanism with 1 wire coming out the back
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That will be it. As far as I know its in the same loom as the horn somewhere near the drivers headlight unit.
steve-focus1.6
got my computor to day,pluged it in and works perfect except temp n washer fluid as i havnt got them yet
blimp
I fitted a scan guage also off ebay only 112 one plug into the OBD11 socket under the steering wheel JOB DONE
cressws1
Slightly reserved about attempting this now due to the mixed reviews on here about the chances of it working.

Im going to buy the parts sepearately not as a 150 set so I'll buy the trip computer and indicator stalk to start with to see if the mpg stuff works, If not I can always just bang these 2 items back on e-bay at no real loss.

If I discover the MPG stuff works with no ECU flash or extra parts I can always buy the other stuff from fleabay or breakers over time etc.
steve-focus1.6
i dont think you will need any thing doing to thed ecu,why would ford put the wiring there if it dont work.i know a few people who have put them in.i got the computot for 18 quid and indicater 4 15 which was cheap. i cut the coin try out of my surround,dosnt look the best but it ul do till i get one lol
artscot79
[quote name='steve-focus1.6' date='12 September 2010 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1284287065' post='96946']
i dont think you will need any thing doing to thed ecu,why would ford put the wiring there if it dont work.i know a few people who have put them in.i got the computot for 18 quid and indicater 4 15 which was cheap. i cut the coin try out of my surround,dosnt look the best but it ul do till i get one lol
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ford initially put the wiring in as many of these extras could be added on by the customer when buying however the dealer would install the correct ecu programme at 1 point the cars were complete in that the ecu was pre programmed so that it was simpler for the dealers but ford stopped its not known exactly when they stopped but thy did they also on many facelift focuses removed thye wiring so that yoiu couldnt add things on youreself so its hit and miss it either will or wont work it all depends on wether youre car was preprogrammed and theres no way to know in advance
darrensmith
[quote name='artscot79' date='12 September 2010 - 03:23 PM' timestamp='1284300823' post='96974']
ford initially put the wiring in as many of these extras could be added on by the customer when buying however the dealer would install the correct ecu programme at 1 point the cars were complete in that the ecu was pre programmed so that it was simpler for the dealers but ford stopped its not known exactly when they stopped but thy did they also on many facelift focuses removed thye wiring so that yoiu couldnt add things on youreself so its hit and miss it either will or wont work it all depends on wether youre car was preprogrammed and theres no way to know in advance
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i have a 2001 1.8 ghia and no wiring on mine nor did i have the lamp holder taped up for foot well lights, had to install from main loom. seems from reading threads concerning above most mk 1.5 have the wiring for both but not sensors etc.
my car if you search parts from registration number states its a ghia but didnt have the trip computer nor the wiring
gutted :(
cressws1
Fitted this tonight and it works a treat. Just need the washer level sensor now. It gives MPG details etc with no ECU upgrade on my early MK1 Focus.

I found the following very helpful indeed.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220675826865&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_931wt_1137
coll247
[quote name='cressws1' date='27 August 2010 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1282936157' post='94894']
Evening Guys.

Looking for a new project for the Focus and stumbled across this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FOCUS-COMPLETE-FUEL-TRIP-COMPUTER-KIT-GHIA-RS-ST-/110542752831?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM#ht_3830wt_911).

What I need to know is:

- Is it just a case of plugging all of these gadgets in? Eg is the wiring loom already there for them or not?
- Where does the 'outside temperature gauge' go?
- Any advice from someone who's done this before.

Thanks in advance.
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i mate just put one on my 99 focus it is easy
Mark207
Well to my disapointment, what I thought was the correct wire turned out not to be after I saw the pic in this thread. The wire I have is a small square with two wires going into it, it was taped in a similar location to where my computer plug should be. One of the wires are yellow, any ideas what this could be?
cressws1
It may be for the gauge that was fitted to the RS/ST model which I believe is just oil pressure/temperature. Might be wrong though mate.


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