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Parkgate Miller
I am running a 1.6 TDCI which is 10 mnths old, and I can`t get better than 42-43 mpg,is this normal ?
RUSSBUS
[quote name='Parkgate Miller' post='5464' date='Sep 29 2008, 11:09 PM']I am running a 1.6 TDCI which is 10 mnths old, and I can`t get better than 42-43 mpg,is this normal ?[/quote]
I GOT A 1.6 PETROL 13 MONTHS OLD AND THE BEST IT DOES ON A LONG TRIP IS 38 TOTHE GALLON THATS 10 LESS THAN MY LAST CAR A 1.6 SCENIC
mintalkin
i average 45-50mpg from a 2.0 130 but it depends on driving style this can drop if driven hard (carn't resist some times)
Mark1971
I get around the same while driving around town. My trip to work is a 17 mile trip along an A-road and I get around 55-65mpg if I drive very carefully otherwise this'll drop to around 45-50mpg if I do overtake anything and keep up with the traffic!

I was expecting better to be honest.
RUSSBUS
HI , DID A 300 MILE ROUND TRIP OTHER WEEK AND GOT 46 TO THE GALLON ! GETTNG BETTER AS THE MILAGE RISES , ITS AT 9000 NOW THAT BETTER FOR A 1.6 PETROL :rolleyes:
ginner999
Chipped 1.6 tdci
was returning around 42.5 mpg around the village odd trip into town.
with chip on there is def more power so the temp to put your foot down is crazy but honestly if you keep off the power pedal
then it does 46 mpg does not sound much but its 3.5 miles and if you want to you can cover them quicker.
Views on chips please?
Dickster555
[quote name='ginner999' post='12257' date='Feb 16 2009, 12:58 AM']Chipped 1.6 tdci
was returning around 42.5 mpg around the village odd trip into town.
with chip on there is def more power so the temp to put your foot down is crazy but honestly if you keep off the power pedal
then it does 46 mpg does not sound much but its 3.5 miles and if you want to you can cover them quicker.
Views on chips please?[/quote]
Hi only just noticed your post. I've been looking at Bluefin chipping system (381 all in) by superchips for my 2.0TDCi. I've attached the dyno data (pdf file) for my car from superchips. It looks like the 2.0TDCi they tested put out 152bhp standard at the flywheel (Ford quote 136bhp - is this at the wheels?) With the chip fitted it gives 176bhp at the flywheel so i presume by the same factoring this is @157bhp at the wheels. What make of chip is yours? Also just had an insurance quote off www.adrianflux.com (modified car insurance specialist) that is only 40 more than i'm paying now with the chip fitted, lowered suspension, sport dampers and 18" wheels!!! There's not much pursuading me not to go for it (apart from the missus!)
gabell
Been investigating poor mpg in the c-max for a few weeks now.

A lot of people seem to be having the same problems. I average ( in a 1.6 tdci 57 plate) around 43mpg going to work and back (20 mile on a-roads), with the maximum of 50mpg on a motorway at 60 mph . Frankly, I am very dissappoined, especially when comparing with the quoted combined average of 57 mpg from ford, and comparing against my previous diesels :-
Rav4 2.0 ltr average 39mpg (4 wheel drive and heavy) , motorway 47mpg
Toyota auris sr180 2.2 diesel average 47mpg motorway 56mpg
Skoda vrs diesel 170 bhp estate average 47mpg , motorway 58mpg
civic 2.2 diesel, average 52mpg, motorway 60+ mpg

You can see from these figures, that my previous diesels have been much bigger and faster cars, yet have returned much better economy.

I have checked :-
1. the ECU fault codes, none exist. got a lead from ebay.
2. any leaking air inlet pipes, especially the large one across the front of the engine, all air tight. quick check is to open the air filter box and block the air inlet pipe at the MAF sensorto see if you can stall the car and watch all the pipes collapse under suction.
3. cleaned the MAF sensor.

I am now going to see the ford dealer to see if there is an ECU update.

I would also be interested in anyone else with the same engine and an OBD lead to see what air flow, air temp, oxygen sensor, rpm and fuel pressure they have at IDLE, 2000 and 4000 rpm for comparison.


any other ideas would also be welcome.

Surely a 1.6 turbo diesel should be much better than 45 mpg.

I am tempted to buy a diesel chip for better economy, but want to see if there is a faulty sensor or ecu first........
charl
hi i am new to the forum and i am finding it very interesting and good for advice. i have a ford focus cmax 1.6 tdci auto ghia 2005 and we can only get 30mpg according to the trip computer on short journeys and 52mpg on the motorway, we are going away soon and its almost a 400 mile journey we fill up at tesco at the moment and wonder if we went to another petrol station like bp the mpg would improve, the car is regularly serviced at our local ford dealer if anybody got any ideas as to what else we can do to improve the performance of our car it would be very much appreciated thank you
sr-performance
Hi all,
The fuel you use also makes a difference to economy as supermarket fuel is not very good so try to use shell etc as it's a much better fuel..
A good remap on any car will give power/torque and improved fuel economy..
manufacturers figures are very rarely met in the real world of driving on the road.
If anyone requires any info etc on remapping please just ask or have a look on my website... :)
sierragls
[quote name='gabell' post='26190' date='May 31 2009, 05:13 PM']Been investigating poor mpg in the c-max for a few weeks now.

A lot of people seem to be having the same problems. I average ( in a 1.6 tdci 57 plate) around 43mpg going to work and back (20 mile on a-roads), with the maximum of 50mpg on a motorway at 60 mph . Frankly, I am very dissappoined, especially when comparing with the quoted combined average of 57 mpg from ford, and comparing against my previous diesels :-
Rav4 2.0 ltr average 39mpg (4 wheel drive and heavy) , motorway 47mpg
Toyota auris sr180 2.2 diesel average 47mpg motorway 56mpg
Skoda vrs diesel 170 bhp estate average 47mpg , motorway 58mpg
civic 2.2 diesel, average 52mpg, motorway 60+ mpg

You can see from these figures, that my previous diesels have been much bigger and faster cars, yet have returned much better economy.

I have checked :-
1. the ECU fault codes, none exist. got a lead from ebay.
2. any leaking air inlet pipes, especially the large one across the front of the engine, all air tight. quick check is to open the air filter box and block the air inlet pipe at the MAF sensorto see if you can stall the car and watch all the pipes collapse under suction.
3. cleaned the MAF sensor.

I am now going to see the ford dealer to see if there is an ECU update.

I would also be interested in anyone else with the same engine and an OBD lead to see what air flow, air temp, oxygen sensor, rpm and fuel pressure they have at IDLE, 2000 and 4000 rpm for comparison.


any other ideas would also be welcome.

Surely a 1.6 turbo diesel should be much better than 45 mpg.

I am tempted to buy a diesel chip for better economy, but want to see if there is a faulty sensor or ecu first........[/quote]

Did you ever got the ecu updated? did it make any differance to the MPG?
rjays
Hiya...for what its worth..my c-max was showing between 32-35mpg...what i did was to disconnect the battery for 15 mins..(if you see my other post on ford c-max i thought it may do something!!)....after all when your home pc freezes you disconnect it from the mains and "hey presto" it works fine again..anyway i disconnected the battery and next time i drove the mpg rose dramatically....it now does at least 51.5 and the highest ive had is 59.6....this is "normal" driving not long motorway driving,as regards to the other issues with the car..there is no improvement....but give it a go...it wont cost anything...but make sure you have the audio codes!!...hope this helps...Rob
sr-performance
Hi as posted above, disconnecting your battery makes the ECU relearn it's values so you should normally see a difference, also worth doing if you change to shell v power etc..:)
sierragls
i will gove it a go, im only getting 40ish everyday driving, what engine do you have the Rjays 2.0 or 1.6?
rjays
hiya sierragls...i have a 1.6 diesel auto 2004
c-maxxed
Having just acquired a C-max 1.6 tdci 57 plate we've also found that economy seems very poor. We've just averaged 41.5 over our first tankful. Tried disconnecting/reconnecting the battery but, sadly, no difference of note. :(

The car still has just over a year's warranty so I'm tempted to take it in to a dealer to see what they can do.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them (other than "shouldn't have bought one of those!") :blink:

cheers
Richard G
the MPG on our 54 plate 1.6 TDCi went up from 45 to around 50 when I changed the front brake pads which were very low. I wondered if it was related to the amount the front caliper pistons were extended
CMAX Not Reliable!
[quote name='rjays' post='45043' date='Oct 1 2009, 11:30 AM']Hiya...for what its worth..my c-max was showing between 32-35mpg...what i did was to disconnect the battery for 15 mins..(if you see my other post on ford c-max i thought it may do something!!)....after all when your home pc freezes you disconnect it from the mains and "hey presto" it works fine again..anyway i disconnected the battery and next time i drove the mpg rose dramatically....it now does at least 51.5 and the highest ive had is 59.6....this is "normal" driving not long motorway driving,as regards to the other issues with the car..there is no improvement....but give it a go...it wont cost anything...but make sure you have the audio codes!!...hope this helps...Rob[/quote]


Hi,
I've got a '55 plate 1.6 petrol, and its terrible for consumption.
My wife drives it mostly (she does have a heavy right foot) and does a lot of local runs.
She averages 29 - 32 MPG.

I had to disconnect my battery overnight last night, and I've just noticed I got 36 MPG on the way to work this morning !!

WTF ?!
rjays
glad to be of assistance ;)
Richard G
Certain of the petrol engined variants don't give good economy due to the way the geartrain is set (try looking at what engine speed you are doing at motorway driving speed)

the diesels are doing less than 3000 RPM at 80 MPH even in only 5th gear
revjames
Hi there I have an 04 Cmax 1.6TDCI. I was impressed with the performance for a small diesel and expected high mpg rates. I was a bit disappointed. This is what I get:

round town just local trips: 41mpg
mixture of local and longer runs: 50mpg
Long trip: 55mpg
Long trip driving like a saint 60mpg.

I once drove to Redditch to see my son. I am in North wales so filled up in Bangor - drove 155 miles - I knew he didng finish work til 5.30 so I wasnt in a hurry to getb there so I drove at 55-65 and tried to anticipate road conditions best I could and really nursed it along. The result? filled up and was shocked to need only 10.75 litres. This worked out at nearly 71mpg. Dont forget this is checking the maths on amount of fuel needed over a given distance not the computer in the car.

I was delighted with this but rarely have the patience to drive like that. Typically get 55 on a good run and thats cruising at 70.
mr rugby
As the fuel economy is such an issue, I would suggest anyone taking a cmax for a test drive should check what the average mpg indicates on the display from the previous owner, unless of course some one has already reset this.
This will give you a clue on how it has performed over time, alternatively, if it has already been reset by someone, reset it yourself during your test drive once you have determined this.

You would know if it has been recently reset because,

1/ the average mpg will be on zero in the showroom or..
2/ while viewing the average display and while driving gently, it will quickly change to reflect your economical driving habit and will improve very quickly. If the display doesn't change quickly it is likely that the average reading hasn't been reset recently and will be a better indication of it's average mpg over time.
This is all to do with it's sampling rates.
If you reset the display it samples fuel flow against distance and samples,say every 1/2 mile, so because you have not done many miles as a comparison it changes quickly. Now once you have done a hundred miles or so it has a wider sample rate to judge itself over so the display changes much slower.
So if you reset your gauge and say drive 20 miles around town, your average will be based on stop starting driving, while on the other hand if reset prior to a motorway run it will be based on a continual run.
In reality (if you don't reset at all) the computer averages both town and continual and gives you an overall average.
Long winded though it sounds.......it is worth a try as it could provide evidence of the better mpg averages when comparing like for like vehicles.
When you read on this forum how some people report getting 35 mpg while others say they get 60 mpg.......the evidence may be right in front of you while test driving.
Give it a try

mr rugby
M1EQO
Titanium is my latest CMax TDCi - Infact this is my 3rd CMax.
Others all 1.6 worst 39mpg - best 52mpg.
Not sure what should get from my 2.0 Diesel.
Just coming upto 10K.

The main thing - Just enjoy.

Clive
ajc1969
We have a 1.6 petrol zetec and best I can get is around 36 on a motorway drive, not very impressive given that I've been using it regularly on my own (no wife kids and boot full of usual rubbish)!
Think this needs to be explored a bit more as I was expecting a little bit better on a careful motorway drive....
mr rugby
I'd really like a group of us to try an experiment.
If you look on the ford website it gives details of how they conducted their mpg tests.
My figures are not even in the ball park.
I'm a carefull driver, light on the throttle yet I can't come close to fords mpg's for my 1.8tdci.
Even given manufacturers tolerences we should be closer than what we are.
I would love to hand my car over to an organisation ( top gear or fifth gear tv shows ) who could mimic fords mpg tests and have a real comparison, because there is something wrong somewhere and to be honest it is not just fords.
When you consider we base our purchase on a manufacturers figures, to then not even be close is out of order.
Another idea would be to get a fairly flat motorway run of a couple of miles, select cruise, select speed to take away the drivers hoof out of the equation, reset the menu mpg and record what the car does and post it here.
Imagine if we could grow a database of similar runs from similar models it would provide a wealth of info for owners and buyers alike.
We just need someone to facilitate the experiment.

mr rugby
Richard G
[quote name='mr rugby' date='23 February 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1266957250' post='66732']
I'd really like a group of us to try an experiment.
If you look on the ford website it gives details of how they conducted their mpg tests.
My figures are not even in the ball park.
I'm a carefull driver, light on the throttle yet I can't come close to fords mpg's for my 1.8tdci.
Even given manufacturers tolerences we should be closer than what we are.
I would love to hand my car over to an organisation ( top gear or fifth gear tv shows ) who could mimic fords mpg tests and have a real comparison, because there is something wrong somewhere and to be honest it is not just fords.
When you consider we base our purchase on a manufacturers figures, to then not even be close is out of order.
Another idea would be to get a fairly flat motorway run of a couple of miles, select cruise, select speed to take away the drivers hoof out of the equation, reset the menu mpg and record what the car does and post it here.
Imagine if we could grow a database of similar runs from similar models it would provide a wealth of info for owners and buyers alike.
We just need someone to facilitate the experiment.

mr rugby
[/quote]

I have always thought that these sorts of tests were done on a "dyno" set to mimic the fact that the engine had a car attached
charl
hi i have a ford focus c max 1.6 tdci ghia auto and at the moment i am getting about 26 mpg and slight hesitation could this be erg valve? are the symptoms a sign of this problem and where is the valve. when we bought it 2 years ago we were getting 37 mpg on school and local driving. its been to ford they replaced the mass air flow sensor, this has not solved the problem any ideas suggestions would be greatly appreciated. one thing we did notice the pipe from the air filter to what we think is turbo was loose, have tightened it now could this be causing the loss in mpg? thank you
artscot79
[quote name='charl' date='27 March 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1269710059' post='74388']
hi i have a ford focus c max 1.6 tdci ghia auto and at the moment i am getting about 26 mpg and slight hesitation could this be erg valve? are the symptoms a sign of this problem and where is the valve. when we bought it 2 years ago we were getting 37 mpg on school and local driving. its been to ford they replaced the mass air flow sensor, this has not solved the problem any ideas suggestions would be greatly appreciated. one thing we did notice the pipe from the air filter to what we think is turbo was loose, have tightened it now could this be causing the loss in mpg? thank you
[/quote]


ell first off folks forget what the official figures say as said many times these figures are gained by the vehicle being tested by ford and on that test the vehicle is driven on a test track at no more than 5 miles at at ime the rest is done in a lab those figures are based on optimum driving conditions ie the right temperature etc etc etc you drive on roads that arent flat that have speed humps traffic lights traffic ques constant stop start etc the car isnt tested in these situations example toyota prius claimed mpg 73.4 mpg top gear tested it in london 54.7mpg no where near the claimed mpg ....fords figures for combined mpg is an average of slow driving mpg with cruising on a flat track at 60mph thats all its commonly known that diesels do not make good town cars the mpg will be poor for this yet people keep buying them expecting wonders not understanding that a diesel uses more fuel around town get it on a motorway where it sits at low rpm and it will give fantastic mpg.

in short the issue isnt the figures its the fact that many people dont understand how they are worked out and dont understand that a diesel is a mile muncher not a town car.

youll find the mpg for this time of year ie longer time taken to warm up etc is about normal and the dealers will tell you the same because there is nothing wrong accelerating harshly using the brakes too much steep hills traffic speed humps wind temperature tyre pressure and weight all effect the mpg if youre filling the tank up youre using more fuel as the car is now heavier which is why its recommended you only fill the tank halfway using the radio aircon heaters etc uses more fuel the aircon alone uses 10 percent more fuel then add radio rear window demiter electric mirror demister heated front screens it all adds up guys.

also i agree cheap supermarket fuel is a false economy as they use more cleaning fluid than fuel so for eaxample you get £5 of fuel from a supermarket £1.50 of that is cleaning fluids whereas shell etc theres is more like 50p i used to use cheap supermarket fuel and i was getting 15mpg less then shell unleaded.

mpg varies all the time a strong head wind changes it instantly also the type of driver so many posts are popping up about mpg that isnt bad its just not what people were thinking it would be based on the official figures which are not real world figures i have a 1.8 petrol focus i can get 32-33mpg around town official figures are 27mpg how well i anticipate the road i change up early i dont fill the tank and have roof racks and a boot full of stuff on it and i use shell fuel during the colder months with increased warm up time i get less mpg just because the temp gauge sits halfway doesnt meanthe engines up to temp and the thermostat has fully opened if it hasnt the sensors in the engine are telling the brain the mixture ghas to be a bit richer than when its fully warm
dizzy1
I have a C-Max 1.6 TDCi Ghia 5d CVT Auto and im lucky if I get 28mpg.
C-Max Boy 1983
My 1.6TDCI 90BHP averages about 45MPG around down and 50-52mpg on longer drives, most of my journeys are done by my wife to her work and back, I'm getting a Tuning Box tomorrow so hopefully see a small increase, it's still more economical than my last car a Skoda Fabia vRS which was getting about 42mpg around town, sometimes dipping down to 40MPG.

I've also got a K&N filter Fitted as well.
artscot79
[quote name='C-Max Boy 1983' date='28 May 2010 - 07:27 AM' timestamp='1275027450' post='83401']
My 1.6TDCI 90BHP averages about 45MPG around down and 50-52mpg on longer drives, most of my journeys are done by my wife to her work and back, I'm getting a Tuning Box tomorrow so hopefully see a small increase, it's still more economical than my last car a Skoda Fabia vRS which was getting about 42mpg around town, sometimes dipping down to 40MPG.

I've also got a K&N filter Fitted as well.
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depends on the tuning box if its a cheap one it mnay give you more problems than anything the only proper way to have it done is with a remap or things like bluefin which are set within the factory specs for the car the majority of tuning boxes do nothing more than fool the cars sensors and can cause all sorts of issues easy way to tell if they dont hook it up toi a computer and dyno it then then how do they know the box is doing the job? they dont they are set generically for all vehicles not done specifically for the car i hope you have no future issues and you got a good one.

as for mpg official figures arent real world figures this is the main issue no one asks or researches the real world figures diesels as town cars can be good or hopeless given the cost and extra cost of diesel a small petrol will be more economical in town i got rid of a diesel for that very reason i was caught by the same idea that a tenner will last forever and it doesnt far fgrom it
C-Max Boy 1983
The tuning box is a DTUK tuning box, one of the better one's on the market, I had a tuning box on my previous car the Skoda and it increased the performance by about 37BHP, the one I'm getting has diffrent maps on it to suit the car. I wish I could get Bluefin for the car but I don't think they do it on the 1.6TDCI as yet.
ddsk
I have just had my cmax 18tdci serviced (minor) Oil and Filter and new sofware updates since the service my MPG has dropped about 10 MPG ......after 2 1/2 yrs of getting near quoted mpg.
took it back to garage they put it on machine sorry sir no error codes cant revert software nothing we can do see how it goes .............

Anyone else had this after a software update????
jmurray01
How many miles are on the clock ? For the first 3-4k miles it will still be "running-in" and won't get the best MPG.
POOLEEMAD
I have a c-max 55 plate ghia (euro 4) 1.6 tdci and this is my fuel economics (60.000 miles) around town im averaging around 49mpg and just done a 950mile cornwall round trip and averaged 61 mpg taking it nice and steady at around 67 miles per hour and this was with the car well laden and 4 poeple in the vehicle .
This vehicle has been getting these figures since i bought it on 9.000 miles 4 years ago and the reason i still own this car.
revjames
seems to be a lot of variation with MPGs on CMax models. I had an 04 1.6tdci 110BHP which did 40 - 55mpg. I had a mid life crisis and bought an X type Jag but got rid after a few months, bought a cheap Rover 45 (petrol) I recently 'saw the light' and bought an 07 CMax 1.6 tdci (90bhp) and made the following observation:
Filled to brim, driven very carefully, 60 - 70 mph on open road, thinking ahead and avoiding braking and harsh acceleration. Drove 260 miles and re filled and noted amount of litres. Did the maths and worked out at 60.5mpg. Book figures are urban 48 extra urban 70 and average 60. The average MPG showed 65mpg. I think these displays are always a bit optimistic.
When working out MPG, always do it by filling up and noting mileage, fill up next rtime and note miles driven and litres of fuel used. Divide litres by 4.55 to get gallons and divide distance driven by gallons used. I can do it in my head, saddo I know.
alfie t
my dads got a 2009 c max 2.0tdci powershift witch he has had from new its done around 8000 miles but there are a lot of short runs in that and it does between 38to40mpg on average he's pleased with that considering its an automatic he did have a 2006 1.6 petrol before witch was also quite good on fuel.
brk1
I've never known a car that can change mpg figures quite so drastically, admittedly I've always used cheap supermarket fuel, not for the sake of being tight, but simply the fact I drive past Morrisons petrol station 6 days a week, I'd have to go out of my way to go to a proper brand petrol station, my job normally entails at least 15 miles to get there ,sometimes more, sometimes less, but normally more,a couple of years ago I had a job about 9 mile away, lots of very bendy roads and not many straights, the car hovered around the 40 mpg mark all the time I was there (about 8 months) <_< ,I had a job last year that was 35 miles away, 4 miles of small road,31 miles of dual carriage averaging around 70 going and about 65 on the return, car then averaged 52-54 mpg for the month I was going down there.

Had a weeks holiday of normal driving but keeping the speed around the 60 mark, one long journey, 120 miles each way, then a few more local days out, managed 56.5 mpg from that tank full, actually got to 624 miles on the trip meter before it got to no miles left on the trip computer, but it still had fuel left in it.

The best I ever got from it but could not measure,I only had the trip computer as a ref was a 73 mile journey each way of virtually clear dual carriage way, I set cruise to 65 mph on the way up there with a reported average of 62.5 mpg, then without resetting the trip I came home at the dreaded official speed quoted on most car fuel figures , "56 mph" locked into the cruise and stuck to for 70 miles, the average then went right up to 68.9 mpg and was still slowly rising all the time but I had to stop the journey, so with no proven figures on that run , it must have been somewhere in the mid 60's.

On general driving the average fuel guage is usually wrong in my favour, on one tankfull it reported an average of of about 51 mpg but actuall figures were 53 mpg. All my figures are measured amounts no guesses, I fill up to the brim each time, then go to work immediately so the fuel doesn't drain out the breather pipe. That way I know its the same total fill up and correct amount of fuel used every tank, I don't do it much now as I know roughly what the car does now. The car hardly ever gets town use, that would probably give poorer than the 40 mpg that are my worst figures.

so just to sum things up

Car Ford C-Max 05 1.6 TDCi Ghia 110 bhp (now at about 55k)
Fuel Cheap Supermarket Diesel
Airfilter Standard Ford
Worst 40 mpg
Average 45-46 mpg
Long run 53-56 mpg
Best Careful 65 mpg

Sorry such a long post but accurate figures from my car with accurate fuel amounts used, we all know there's a large variation of amount of fuel you can get in your car in the different conditions between hot and cold, somedays the fuel goes in fine, then certain days it froths up like anything and trips the fuel pump, the tank isn't full but the froth stops more from going in, at least with my brim top fill ups I know I had the correct amount of fuel measured each time :D :D

So there's your staggering difference from worst 40 mpg right up to Careful Best of about 65 mpg

That's only a difference of about 25 miles per gallon, :( :( ,not 25 miles per tank full :angry: :angry:


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