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jeebowhite
Well after the runt of the focus litter has irritated me for the last 2 years with large bills, loss of reliability, and loss of trust. My friendly bank have been generous with there loans and I have now put down a deposit on a 1.6 Kia Cee'd. 6 years of its 7 year warranty left where everything bar the consumables are covered!

Excellent build quality and a great deal for your money! So bye bye Ford, and hello Kia!

Maybe Ford should bang heads with Kia for some good ideas!
MrRedman
Sounds good ironically my local Ford Dealer is also the agent for Kia haha.
catch
Sorry to see you go mate, but here's to many happy repair bill free years [brake pads and discs aside]

Out of interest what trim is it in and how much did it cost, and what did you get for the pup from hell.

Oh and we expect piccies and the like, with your opinions on its ride qualities....so don't be buggering of the face of the forum ...ya hear ;)

petrol or diesel ?
jeebowhite
LOL, well as for Ford and Kia, there is a strange combination!

As for disappearing from the forum, you dont get rid of me that easily ;) I will be sticking around to offer my ocassional words of wisdom when accurate, and using the pears of first hand knowledge to assist other unfortunate folk, so I may be long gone with the Ford, but we wont have heard the last of me!

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Sorry to see you go mate, but here's to many happy repair bill free years [brake pads and discs aside]
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and thats the best bit! 6 years of no more worries, and with my "fortune" with cars, the warranty will definately help!
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Out of interest what trim is it in and how much did it cost, and what did you get for the pup from hell.
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Pup From Hell is estimated at £4000 trade in value. I think because its the ZC range, and Euro 4 compliant appears to be in its favour - I was estimating a trade in value of no less than three so will be pleasantly surprised if they do part ex for £4000!

As for the Ceed, its a 2010 Cee'd (2 trim) Pictures are on the dealers site : http://used.kia.co.uk/vehicle/1181390?r_num=6&ls.show=dealer&ls.dealer_id=1443&ls.logged=false&ls.c.modelgroups=8240,8548,8524

car was 9995, knocked £300 off the price, and for that I get:

Interior
•Digital Clock & Calendar Display (Centre Console Display) | •Outside Temperature Gauge (Centre Console Display) | •Sunvisors with Vanity Mirrors (Sliding Mirror Covers) | •Sunvisor Ticket Holders | •3 Grab Handles (Front & Rear) | •Rear Coat Hook |•Centre Cabin Light | •Door Map Pockets | •Luggage Area Light | •Front Door Courtesy Reflectors | •60:40 Split Folding Rear Seats | •Driver's Seat Height & Lumbar Adjust with Active Headrest |•Tilt & Telescopic Steering Wheel | Sliding & Reclining Front Passenger Seat |•Front Passenger Seat Lumbar Support and Active Headrest | •Height Adjustable Headrests (x5) | 6 Speaker Audio System | USB & AUX Port
|•Metallic Centre fasia | •Full Cloth Seats (Silver Interior) | •Drivers Footrest | •Front Floor Console Storage Box With Armrest |•Glovebox Ticket and Pen Holder | Exterior |•Body Coloured Bumpers |•Body Coloured Rear Garnish (Above number plate) | •Tinted Glass
•Heated Rear Windshield | Rear Wiper / Washer | Body Coloured Door Mirrors | Body Coloured Door Handles | 16" Alloy Wheels | Black Bezel Headlamps | Front Fog Lights | Michelin Tyres V-let Energy Saver Tyres | Temporary Spare Wheel | Chrome Grille | Roof Mounted Aerial | Functional Electric Power Steering | Front Seatbelt Reminder Warning | Front Cupholders |•Variable Intermittent 2-speed Wipers | •Integrated CD Audio with MP3 Player | Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Controls | •Air Conditioning | Air Filter | Multi Speed Heater System - Rotary Type | Electrically Adjustable Heated Door Mirrors | Rear Cupholders | Front Electric Windows + Safety ( Auto up and down with sensor) | •Steering Wheel Mounted Trip Computer | Lane Change Signal on Indicator | Cooled Glove Box |

Safety & Security
•ABS With EBD | Immobiliser | Impact Sensing Auto Door Unlocking | Speed Sensing Auto Door Locking | Centre Fascia Mounted Door Locking Switch | Passenger Airbag Cut-off Switch | 6 Airbags - Twin Front, Side and Full Length Curtain | Front Seatbelt Height Adjustment | ront | Seatbelt Pre-tensioners and Load-limiters | ISOFIX Top Tethers and Lower Anchor Points | Headlamp Levelling Device | Remote Central Door Locking with Alarm and Folding Key | Internal Fuel Flap Release | Deadlocks

Engine
Engine Type: 1.6 CVVT 16 Valve Euro IV | Displacement: 1591cc | Bore x Stroke: 77 X 85.44mm | Compression: Power: 125 bhp @ 6300 rpm
| Torque: 154 Nm @ 4200 rpm | Acceleration (0-62 mph): 10.4 secs | Maximum Speed (where law permits): 119 mph | Insurance Group: 17
| VED Band: F

Fuel Consumption (urban): 36.6 mpg
Fuel Consumption (extra urban): 54.8 mpg
Fuel Consumption (combined): 46.3 mpg
CO2 Emissions: 146g/km

Only difference is thats the 2011 builds, fuel consumption on motorways is expected to be 54.4 MPG!

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Oh and we expect piccies and the like, with your opinions on its ride qualities....so don't be buggering of the face of the forum ...ya hear
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Will put proper pictures on later!

EDIT: Thats Better! Tidied up the massive list so that it doesnt take you a millenium or three to get to the bottom of the forum!
IMW
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1300631934' post='119234']

Engine Type: 1.6 CVVT 16 Valve Euro IV | Displacement: 1591cc | Bore x Stroke: 77 X 85.44mm | Compression: Power: 125 bhp @ 6300 rpm
| Torque: 154 Nm @ 4200 rpm | Acceleration (0-62 mph): 10.4 secs | Maximum Speed (where law permits): 119 mph | Insurance Group: 17
| VED Band: F

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Insurance group 17 seems very high to me.
catch
Ah you are going the petrol route,

well there you go then, reliable trouble free motoring.........you could have got a Focus petrol.

But that said, the car your getting looks nice, if a little Korean, but some would argue so does the new Focus.

And if I'm being honest, I prefer the look of the Mk2.5 Focus to the Ceed...are you sure your doing the right thing


Edit: Insurance is group six on Auto Trader [url="http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201110381407726/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/fuel-type/petrol/model/ceed/make/kia/page/1/radius/30/postcode/bd231rl?logcode=p"]SEE HERE[/url]
catch
Here you go [url="http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201104378392744/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/hatchback/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l/quantity-of-doors/5/transmission/manual/maximum-mileage/up_to_20000_miles/fuel-type/petrol/model/focus/make/ford/radius/30/postcode/me87jb/page/1?logcode=p"]Down Your Neck Of The Woods[/url]

Come on now jeeb be honest, which looks to have more road presence, and whilst we know the Ceed is a good car it cannot match the drive of the Focus.

Look my motor is 5 years and 5 months old, and I don't think it has ailed anything in it's life. Other than the water in Spark plugs issue [£26 in parts put that right] OK my early model had rusting front wheel arches, but that was sorted on mine for little money, and is not a problem on the Mk2.5

Had a look at the new Focus the other week, I did not find its looks off putting, but the wife did. Mind you the boots a lot smaller, but I like the sound of the quicker 1.6 SCTi 0-62 in 8.6 seconds. But you know what, I may just plump for a Mk2.5 when the time comes to change. But as I cannot seeing my present Focus playing up , that decision could be another three years down the road.

OK you had a bad one, but I've had two Focus and one Mondeo out of my last four cars, and none of them have cost me anything other than what was considered normal to replace....just take a moment to think about it before you jump ship.

Edit: I tell a lie, the last Focus needed a new wheel bearing at 75k but it was eight years old then, and it only cost me £50 fitted. Only swapped it because some prat wrote it off. Mondeo, I had that nine years, had it from being a year old, cost me now't. But when the original clutch went at 80k I scrapped it, because the doors were rusting at the bottoms. But that was a 95 reg car, and even Fords have improved rust wise compared to back then.
jeebowhite
I agree that the looks of the Cee'd are not quite as "tarty" as the focus! not meant in a bad way I do like the look of the focus, but then again, the appearance of the car is average - good (cee'd that is!) but then again, its not the appearance I am after! the real turning points are the 7 year warranty, the functionality, and the accessories inside!

As for the Focus, my runt has put me off a little, but then again I was considering the focus, but again the 7 year warranty drew me in! I know its a boring point to return to, but safe in the knowledge that for the next 6 years / 80,000 miles, if something expensive goes "POP" then its covered!!

Now in my focus I have had to replace in two years, the Alternator, The Water Pump and the Bonnet Catch, the Locking Wheel Nuts (Twice), the Fuel Filter housing... plus the worries with the DPF issues and the required Forced Regen - its money and hair loss I could have done without!

I did very much want to spend a long time with the Blue Oval at the bottom of my feet, but then I think they are overpriced for average cars. Granted the car I am getting isnt dirt cheap, but its still very reliable and easy to work with!

My Conclusion - If Ford offered a larger warranty (even if it is just 5 years as opposed to 7 or 10 as vauxhall do) I would have considered the newer focus. But then Again, KIA let you transfer whatever warranty is left to the next owner... Cant see any of the others doing that (vauxhalls 100,000 10 year warranty is only for the original owner of the new car!!!)

In Conclusion, the focus looks good, handles good, and is fairly trustworthy.
The Cee'd looks alright, handles good, and has already earned my trust and respect before I have gotten into the driver seat!!!
catch
Jeeb,

forgive me, I was playing the "Devils Advocate" just to make sure you had given it plenty thought. And it looks like you certainly have, weighing up your experiences and looking at the pros and cons on paper of both models.

You have made the right choice in your eyes, and no one can argue with your observations regarding the six year warranty that you will be picking up along with the Ceed.

When do you pick it up, I bet you cannot wait :)
jeebowhite
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1300789379' post='119562']
Jeeb,

forgive me, I was playing the "Devils Advocate" just to make sure you had given it plenty thought. And it looks like you certainly have, weighing up your experiences and looking at the pros and cons on paper of both models.

You have made the right choice in your eyes, and no one can argue with your observations regarding the six year warranty that you will be picking up along with the Ceed.

When do you pick it up, I bet you cannot wait :)
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Lol, already getting excited like a kid in a candy shop! lol, and dont worry, I didnt think you were being malicious or any other such behaviour. your certainly right though, a great deal of thought has gone into this! as you say weighing up experience, and benefits. I even subscribed to a KIA forum well in advance and researched the last years worth of posts to see what problems were present across this range of car! maybe a little sad, lol, but I didnt want to walk into my next purchase blind as I did for the focus!

We shall see how the test drive goes, who knows it could turn my stomach with butterflies or otherwise, but we shall see! However it goes, I need another car, as mine is no longer trustworthy, so if I come back to the focus, who knows?? lol
kevin lancelott
No heated front screen. :(
jeebowhite
[quote name='kevin lancelott' timestamp='1300801180' post='119598']
No heated front screen. :(
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Thats the only real disappointment in this car! but then again I lived without it before... lol
ford focus edge
Jeeb we've had our convo's but i just have to come in and play my trump card as per ... 10plate kia picanto or picknose what ever they call them was down the road today with the bonnet up and the AA there :P i really couldn't resist lmao
jeebowhite
LOL, thats fair enough! having said that I have spent my fair share of time on the roadside (2 hours of over winter with -5 degrees on the side of a motorway!!!) I wouldnt go for the picanto way too small and too easy to push around on the roads ;)
ford focus edge
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1300870609' post='119728']
LOL, thats fair enough! having said that I have spent my fair share of time on the roadside (2 hours of over winter with -5 degrees on the side of a motorway!!!) I wouldnt go for the picanto way too small and too easy to push around on the roads ;)
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Yeah there fun to crush onto the pavement when 2 lanes merge :P after 5 weeks the mazda's starer motor packed up on the drive failed connection apparently these jap cars aren't all there cracked up to be haha say jap its just a mk2 focus built in Hiroshima. hope the kia goes well after all if its good enough for top gear ;)
adzmcp
I work at a large ford dealership and we have attached to it a large KIA dealership one of largest in area.
jeebowhite
Edge, your right about the japs, there old cars used to be a lot better, but for a company with great technology, its not the best when put into a car!!

adzmcp, since you attached to the kia, how many potential ford customers end up walking away with a KIA? It would be interesting to see when you have the three year dealership vs seven year!
adzmcp
You would be surprised not many. A lot ofpeople do still have badge in mind. That said ford has had a bad march where KIA is on fire just at our place there have sold nearly 4x more cars than us. Tonnes of sportage and piccanto. Rio is not a good seller and neither is the 7 seat people carrier. Soul sells ok and ceed sells best in 5 door form
jeebowhite
Not too bad then, but the fact the Ford side is suffering to the Kia side, isnt the greatest for Ford I suppose. but as you say, most people walk in with the badge in mind, so maybe the 7 year cee'd against the 3 year focus (for warranties) I guess makes no odds to most customers...
adzmcp
Don't get me wrong ka customers we have lost to picanto and kuga customers have been lost to sportage but we have not lost one customer looking at a Fiesta to KIA. We don't lose many focus customers either unless they drive the mk1 focus.
hillmangimp
This seems pretty straight forward to me. Jeebowhite bought a Focus that turned out to be not very reliable and has had enough and bought a different make car. I would have done exactly the same if it was me and I don't think a petrol Kia will give you any cause for concern.
catch
[quote name='hillmangimp' timestamp='1301221612' post='120270']
This seems pretty straight forward to me. Jeebowhite bought a Focus that turned out to be not very reliable and has had enough and bought a different make car. I would have done exactly the same if it was me and I don't think a petrol Kia will give you any cause for concern.
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Totally agree,

Jeeb buys a 2005 reg Focus 1.6 TDCi with a fair few miles on the clock at four years old. And having owned it for 24 months, and after having to chuck a load of money at it, he loses faith in it and calls it a day.

I on the other hand buy a 2005 reg Focus 1.6 petrol, with 37,300 miles on the clock, also at four years old. After 18 months of ownership I have spent in total on repairs £26.

Well to be honest Ford should have paid for that because it was a case of the washer jet gaskets letting water into the engine compartment, then into the spark plug wells [a design fault] And to be honest you should be able to just buy and fit the two new revised gaskets separately, without having to buy two heated washer jets along with them. Then the cost would have been about £1. So it should have been a "recall" really. But as always the first build of any model is actually just a proving prototype. This is the build,on which manufactures find out what parts are not up to the job. Same will apply to the first build of the new Mk3 Focus.

Moral of the story is: Don't buy a modern four year onwards TDCi with plenty miles on the clock. If your pocket dictates you have to look in the 4 to 6 year age bracket, go petrol, besides you can buy a year younger because you avoid the diesel price premium.......simples :)
hillmangimp
Yes quite, when I had my BMW M3 I never worried about its reliability or longevity in the way that I have nagging doubts that one day my TDCI will go wrong and cost a pitful of money to put right (even though it is a non dpf model diesel injectors and DMF's are still probleamtic). Hence why at this moment in time I would NEVER buy another diesel unless I did starship mileages.
jeebowhite
Yeah my car was three year old with 38,000 on the clock - unfortunately I was young, Naive, and thought Ford where nice and didnt put tat into there car... And then it hit me... The guys here told me what a DPF was!

I think that the car is just a pain in the jacksey, and I clearly bought the runt of the litter - thats not to say that all Focus' are like that, but that, combined with the dealer, combined with my new found hatred of the DPF - means I cant sit in the front seat of a Focus anymore...

the thing that really did grind on me, was I popped to Ford one day and asked them to take a look and value my car as I was hoping to trade it in (didnt say I was going to get a Ford or otherwise) I was told that all the sales team were all too busy with other customers to spend two minutes looking at my car (even though I saw 2 sales reps playing spin the pen on their desk!)

That was the final straw for Ford...

Catch and many others here have bought very good cars, but then again, I think it could be as much to do with Mileage, as Catch doesnt do too many miles so that will help...
jeebowhite
I forgot to mention, that I took the car for a test drive on sunday and really like it, so I shall be disappearing back there on saturday and will definiately be waving bye bye to my focus... I doubt I will look back as I am driving away...
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1301301571' post='120427']
Yeah my car was three year old with 38,000 on the clock -[/quote]

You bought at three year old, sorry I thought because you said you had had it two years, and you have it down as a 2005 model, I just did the maths and come up with you buying it at four year old like me. I bought an October 2005 in October 2009, so it was fours old when bought and I've now had it eighteen months. But I got it totally wrong regarding your mileage, it was not excessive at 38k.

And your relaying of the service you had at the Ford dealers when requesting a valuation. Well I'm not surprised you will never deal with them again.

[quote]Catch and many others here have bought very good cars, but then again, I think it could be as much to do with Mileage, as Catch doesnt do too many miles so that will help...
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It's not the amount of miles a car does, indeed doing a lot of short journeys on cold engines [like the wife does]does more damage to a cars engine than one covering plenty of miles on the motorway sat in fifth gear at optimised engine temperature.

Truth is you got a 1.6 TDCi dog, just like hawker who also got a 1.6 TDCi dog, only his had circa 92k on the clock. And like hawker did, your also bailing out of the TDCi and buying petrol.................If only you had both bought petrol Focus's in the first place, you would now be enjoying the best to drive car in it's class bar non :) without the need to keep putting your hands in your wallet.

Last four cars I've had, three have been petrol Fords, longest I had one was nine years bought at a year old previously owned by Ford, a Mk1 1.8 GLX Mondeo, all it ever needed was servicing, and tyres and brakes renewed. Followed by a Mk1 1.8 Focus Zetec, [b]three[/b] previous owners 99 on a T plate, bought at six years old with 57,405 miles on the clock. I had 3 years nine months of trouble free motoring other than having a wheel bearing replaced at £50 all in..............then a prat wrote it off. Admittedly 10 days prior to it being written off I had the clutch and front disks and pads renewed for £400, but it had done 79K. And I would still be driving it now, over two years on. It did not so much as drink a thimble full of oil all the time I had it.

And as for the fourth car, the Volvo S40 2.0D SE [Turbo Diesel] Now don't get me wrong I enjoyed every minute I spent, and every mile I drove in it, with it's heated leather seats,it's DTSC this that and the other.It wafted me and the wife hither and dither in complete safety and luxury, but it did not engage me like the Focus does. And you know what it was the first car that I ever had, that I started to worry about it braking down, not that it ever did in the nine months I had it. But I kept reading about £1000 services, Limp Home Modes, clogged / knackered Diesel Particulate Filters, buggered Dual Mass Flywheels.....so in the end I came home to petrol.....and back to never ever giving breaking down a thought again :)


[quote]I forgot to mention, that I took the car for a test drive on sunday and really like it, so I shall be disappearing back there on saturday and will definiately be waving bye bye to my focus... I doubt I will look back as I am driving away.[/quote]

Welcome back to petrol Jeebs, glad for you that you liked the Ceed
jeebowhite
Thanks Catch, and yeah I look forward to petrol. The only reason I bought diesel was 1) Diesel was cheaper for petrol... 2) I didnt know that a DPF was, so didnt even realise I was walking into a nightmare...
catch
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The only reason I bought diesel was 1) Diesel was cheaper for petrol... 2) I didnt know that a DPF was, so didnt even realise I was walking into a nightmare...
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Your not on your own there jeeb, I did the exact same for the same reason, and yes totally clueless regarding the DPF. Of course on finding out, and on my low mileage, I realised with taking the servicing of the DPF into consideration, there were no savings to be had, but a small loss. And if the DMF went as well as the DPF, I would be well into the red, so I moved it one.

Besides the clutch was biting near the top of it's travel, so I could see the clutch needing doing in possibly a few thousand miles, and it would have been double what I paid to have the Focus one replaced. The one thing I learnt about Volvo's servicing is it is undertaken whilst wearing a mask, and nothing is cheap to get replaced. Where as Fords I've always found servicing and repairs to be fairly cheap.

The one thing I do miss though is the mid range poke of the Volvo's 2.0 turbo diesel engine. I definitely don't do the overtaking I used to do, in this 1.6 Focus :rolleyes: ............but I might just treat myself to a Mk3 petrol turbo, after somebody eats a great deal of the depreciation for me :D

I bet it will seem like forever the rest of this week dragging by :ph34r:
jeebowhite
Definately is! Looking forward to Saturday for sure :) :P
jeebowhite
Well picked the car up on saturday, was disappointed to leave the focus behind, but the Cee'd is a good car! disappointed by the loss of MPG (good ol' petrol!) and miss the turbo but overall not found anything with the car I dont like (other than a loss of 40 litres in the boot). IMHO the Cee'd (so far) seems to be as good as the focus on handling, and performance (as far as the petrol goes) so im quite happy, dont feel like I have lost too much in swapping, all in all a fairly new car for a tad over £5000 I am quite happy so far! so I would recommend the Cee'd as a potential candidate for anyone who is looking at moving away from the blue oval!
catch
Really pleased for you mate,

not a lot you can do in regards to MPG when migrating back to petrol. As to the turbo, well get saving the pennies and I can see you sat in a Mk3 Focus 1.6 SCTI in a couple of years. :D All that lovely turbo acceleration, and returning the same mpg as you get with a non turbo Ceed.

As I suspect you will be able to pick them up second hand at reasonable money. And being petrol they will be very reliable. Take my petrol Focus, five and a half years old and nothing ailing it, other than the washer jets needed upgrading, at £26. And I cannot see anything on the radar, failing components wise in the next six months, making it six years old, and out of warranty [if it were a Kia Ceed, well the latest variant]

Anyway jeeb, for now you enjoy that peace of mind your obviously getting with the outstanding 5 years warranty left on the Ceed. But I'm betting your diesel pain will dim to be a distant memory, and you will in time return to the Blue Oval :rolleyes: .................there again I could be totally wrong :D
jeebowhite
lol, yeah 6 out of 7 years warranty left is a god send and who knows I may return to Ford, but for now, I am enjoying my Cee'd more than I ever did the ford lol!
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1301927179' post='121534']
lol, yeah 6 out of 7 years warranty left is a god send[/quote]

Sorry yes it's six years left on the seven year warranty, does anybody give six? I know Toyota, Chevrolet and Hyundai give five.

[quote]and who knows I may return to Ford, but for now, I am enjoying my Cee'd more than I ever did the ford lol!
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Well with the trouble you had, that would not be hard to do would it :rolleyes:

Anyway jebb, you keep us informed how your finding the Ceed compared to the Focus. I mean apart from the obvious, it not being a pain in the arse like your particular Focus was. Because there are obviously thousands of Focus 1.6 TDCi owners out there well suited with their motors. I dare say if you had bought a one year old Focus 1.6 TDCi so would you have been. Anyway you have my special dispensation to tell us all about you Ceed on the Focus forum :D
jeebowhite
lol Thanks Catch - I suppose it is strange talking about a "competition car" on the forums, but then again, I dare say I am one of very few, if not the only one, who may end up buying a FOC sticker, and putting it in the window of the Cee'd!
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1301935191' post='121545']
lol Thanks Catch - I suppose it is strange talking about a "competition car" on the forums, but then again, I dare say I am one of very few, if not the only one, who may end up buying a FOC sticker, and putting it in the window of the Cee'd!
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Jeeb, having re read my last sentence in my last post, and me teasing you about petrol Foci, it may sound like I'm saying " it's not on you talking about Ceed ownership on a focus forum"

Well if you read it that way it is not what I meant, I really am interested in how you go on with the Ceed mate. I mean there are many Oval badge guys saying the new Mk3 Focus is a look alike Kia Ceed :ph34r: So we might as well hear how you an ex Foci owner gets on with the Ceed.....so don't go wandering off :D

And it's time you updated your avatar to display the Ceed :)
jeebowhite
lol, Dont worry catch I didnt take it as anything negative! I know you guys enough that I can see when a virtual b*tch slap comes my way :P

And I agree with the comment on the mk3 Focus vs the Cee'd, I parked up yesterday outside work and a mk3 focus parked up opposite, didnt have the phone out quick enough so couldnt take a comparison shot, but they do look fairly similar!

So far all is good with the Cee'd, I found a "marginal" disappointment, in that I found the wind catches the cee'd more than it did the focus :( so when going a little bit quicker, it does get blown a little more than the focus did (I suppose thats as much to do with weight, as wheel base and suspension) but so far, its all good, I cant find anything in the Cee'd to really criticise, and I still stand by my earlier comment of the Cee'd is a good contender against the Focus!

As for the Avatar, I have a few days off this week, Im hoping to get a few pics, and probably will sort that out, unfortunately my son requires a lot of attention at the moment, so the pics will take a little longer than usual! hopefully it wont be too long though!

So far not disappointed, and actually, I have been so impressed by the car, it actually made me shout "WOOOOOOO" in the car! Yes, "WOOOOOOO" never did that with the Focus?!? I came around a nice corner on a motorway sliproad at 50, and planted my foot down and actually got the same response as I did from the Turbo in the Focus! I was impressed indeed!

Anyway, I will of course update the Avatar soon, and I will expand this particular thread further with updates on the Cee'd rather than spreading it across the boards!
jeebowhite
HAHA = I just found my Focus on the tintyweb :) For anyone who cares to see - take a look at it! this is more useful if you live in Meddway, Kent!!!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201114383771722/sort/priceasc/usedcars/fuel-type/diesel/quantity-of-doors/5/maximum-age/up_to_7_years_old/body-type/hatchback/colour/grey/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l/transmission/manual/price-to/8000/model/focus/make/ford/postcode/me72ne/page/1/radius/60?logcode=p
akingcool
why were you even searching for a focus again? :P
jeebowhite
I was sad lol and was looking specifically for mine :) I wanted to see how they advertised it and what sort of profit they were hoping to seek from it! I found out they put 2 grand on top of part ex price (no surprise) and they took the specs of the Titanium X car, and used it to describe my old one! (i.e. Perimiter alarm?!? I dont think so!) lol, plus they said its a spacesaver spare wheel! its all lies - its a 205/55 R16 V - Same as rest of the wheels - all it takes is a look in the boot and they would know
jeebowhite
For anyone who is interested: http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/index.php?app=gallery&module=user&user=10869&do=view_album&album=587 pictures of my Cee'd!
catch
it stands well mate, nice easy clean alloys, non of those 20 /30 fins to clean independently like on the Mk2.5 Focus Titanium. Is it disc brakes all round, or like on the 1.6 Focus on the rear.......drums :rolleyes:
jeebowhite
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it stands well mate, nice easy clean alloys, non of those 20 /30 fins to clean independently like on the Mk2.5 Focus Titanium. Is it disc brakes all round, or like on the 1.6 Focus on the rear.......drums :rolleyes:
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Discs all round :) making maintenance a hell of a lot easier!

Will do some interior pics and upload them later!

EDIT: Just wondering, why although I have updated my Photo / Avatar my Focus is still my picture :|...
catch
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EDIT: Just wondering, why although I have updated my Photo / Avatar my Focus is still my picture :|...
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Not this end, when I replied to your first post today it was your Ceed in your avatar.
jeebowhite
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Not this end, when I replied to your first post today it was your Ceed in your avatar.
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That was me being a moron, and was put to rights by DanGull! it would appear my internet cache didnt clear... all good now :)
jeebowhite
So for anyone who is interested, I have had the car for 1500 miles now and thought I would post a review on how I found it so far.

Car is now 56 weeks old, has covered just less than 22000 miles in its lifetime.

Faults:
No Faults or problems on the car.

Handling:
So far the car handles brilliantly, throwing it around slip lanes on roundabouts at 60mph it handles as well as the focus. Power responsiveness on the out of that replicates the power of the focus well and has no noticeable lag, even compared to my TDCI.

Economy:
So far I have done three tanks, first was combination of foot down all the way, and some gramps style driving. Managed 360 miles out of the tank, even with 45 miles estimated remaining on the tank.
Second tank was gramps style driving, estimated 425 miles, and achieved 387 with 40 miles left on the tank to go. Fairly accurate trip computer
Third tank, averaging 70 - 80 (where law permits) so far clocked up 197 miles with an estimated 200 miles to go. It seems that a 30 mile journey currently costs around 45 miles of fuel according to the range on the trip computer, so there is some cost to the foot down approach. There is no granddad style driving at all on this tank!
Currently averaging 36 - 52 MPG dependant on driving style / speed. Currently costing around 18p per mile!

Capacity:
Plenty of leg room under the steering column, with a good amount of leg room for rear passenger, even with the driver seat quit far backwards, the Mrs can sit in the back comfortably. Boot is lacking compared to the focus, missing 40 litres, so thatís a disappointment, but so far, not had any issues squeezing in the little ones buggy and the shopping from the town!
Not quite storage capacity, but when the doors are opened, they open to about 80o wide, leaving more than enough room for the Mrs to get out of the back carrying the little one, without squeezing anywhere.
Plenty of space in the bonnet, maybe I should put some pictures, but there is plenty of gaps to get your hands in and fiddle, without slicing ribbons into your fingers!

Functionality:
Trip computer is split into Total ODO, Trip A ODO, Trip B ODO, Miles to Empty, Average Speed, Average Fuel Consumption, Live Fuel Consumption (I think thatís everything!) so no different to the focus handbook (although most the MK2ís came without the Live readout, although they should have had it!!!)
Stereo is good quality, built in AUX and USB connection as standard. Has a clear display, easy to use buttons, steering controls, overall only used half the functions but impressed none the less!
Access to Fuse Box is on the driver side, got to open the driver door, and then slide out the panel that sits between the door and the side of the dash to get access to the fuse board. Easier to get to than the Focus, but not brilliant if you need to change a fuse on a motorway!

What do I miss?
So Far, I miss the turbo as it was always fun to have it kick in, but the power of the engine is an extra 9 bhp, so other than losing a bit of torque, there isnít much loss of power. (Also I was hoping to up the power, but without a diesel you canít really use a tune box over a remap, so there are fewer options for upping power at a lower price!)
I do miss the big boot, may need a roof box when we take the little one away on holiday, or if we go with the in Ė laws, we might have to get them to turn there hatchback into an estate with the seats down, and load them up!
Fuel Economy has suffered slightly, but still getting as many miles out of the petrol as if I still had the focus, most likely the focus needed a good sort out, and I just gave up in the end!

Overall I am overly happy with the car, and I have yet to regret buying the car over keeping the focus! I have heard a few people looking at what alternatives they may choose over the focus, so I hope this is something that may sway people to believe that the "Reasonably priced car" - really is reasonable only in monitory value, but is bloody good otherwise!
catch
Good feed back jeeb,

and like they say on Top Gear it sounds like it's a decent car. You cannot knock the mpg your getting really. Just got to say Bank Holiday Monday, I reset the trip comp on the Focus, I'd just left the town I live in heading for one 15 miles away, but with one just up the road 9 miles away we had to pass through. Its a queue job at the best of times getting through that place, never mind Bank Holiday Mondays. Anyway driving like a granny on a country A road, and until I hit the tail back entering that town, I achieved 55 mpg, bloody amazed I was. Mind you I have that BK44 injector cleaner in the tank right now, so maybe that has something to do with it.

And the Ceed sounds nippy enough considering it's not a turbo diesel or petrol for that matter. Yes the boot is a let down, mind you it's a let down in the new Mk3 Focus as well. So considering the seven year transferable warranty on the Kia, for peeps thinking of buying a Mk3 Focus petrol [non turbo] it may well be worth seriously looking at the Kia Ceed as well, and letting them slug it out.
jeebowhite
55MPG is amazing for a petrol (I see that on ocassion, but that is true granny style driving on a motorway!) but the cleaner does seem to be doing you some good!

And I would definately agree that the Cee'd can be some very good competition to the MK3, I appreciate this is a FORD owners club, but I think with the amount of people who have to pop back and say "I have another issue" its worth showing that their is some good competition out there, for a great deal of value for money (sadly I think FORD now lacks this!)

If anyone is interested, I will keep this thread updated (I wont take over the entire forum making it a kia house lol!) But after seeing the poll previously and the interest in other vehicles, I think its worth keeping some information flowing freely :)
Marky04
When we were looking for a new car the Cee'd was on our list but after driving the Cee'd then driving the Focus there was no competition
jeebowhite
Fair point Marky, out of curiosity, What was it on the drive that did sway you to the focus? would you say you were feelin bias towards the focus at all?
catch
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What do I miss?
So Far, I miss the turbo as it was always fun to have it kick in, but the power of the engine is an extra 9 bhp, so other than losing a bit of torque, there isn’t much loss of power. (Also I was hoping to up the power, but without a diesel you can’t really use a tune box over a remap, so there are fewer options for upping power at a lower price!)[/quote]

A couple of years down the line you will be able to get [url="http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201116385279735/sort/priceasc/usedcars/fuel-type/petrol/body-type/hatchback/engine-size-cars/1-4l_to_1-6l/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_5000_miles/transmission/manual/quantity-of-doors/5/model/focus/make/ford/page/1/radius/40/keywords/titanium/postcode/bd231rl?logcode=p"] one of these mate, [/url]

And I dare say being a turbo, I reckon you can slap a tuning box on it if you want to :rolleyes:

[quote]I do miss the big boot, may need a roof box when we take the little one away on holiday, or if we go with the in – laws, we might have to get them to turn there hatchback into an estate with the seats down, and load them up!
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Well then you will not really miss the 20% loss of boot space in the Mk3, when you come back to a Focus :D


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