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bottletree
Does anyone know if there is a focus mk2 that is a diesel, but without the pathetic,useless,waste of time shambolic DPF fitted to it? Got some friends who have a 2 door fiat punto wanting a focus diesel. Got 5 grand to spend.
Any advice appreciated. Unless you give me good advice on the DPF :angry: <_<
Leemaxd
I do believe if you buy a 1.8 tdci it's not fitted with a dpf because it's the older engine thats why I brought one :) BUT it does have an egr valve instead and every now and again that needs cleaning but it's easy to clean, I am no mechanic and I clean mine myself every year with a tin of spray and twenty minutes of my time.
jig
Focus TDCI (90 BHP) are non DPF till 2009 I believe
johnH
yeah i got a 1.8tdci and it doesnt have a dpf so thats good lol

ive also been told the 1.6tdci definately has one, the 2.0tdci was an optional add-on when new and the years you want are 2005-2006...as far as i am aware.
Leemaxd
Mines a 1.8 tdci 115 on an 09 plate as said before no dpf so thats cool
johnH
going to add that to my list...i thought they replaced the 1.8tdci at around 2007-2008 with the 1.6tdci but you learn something new everyday...everyday is a school day lol

leemaxd- you mention that you clean the egr every year... is it possibly you could do a quick noddy guide on what tools and consumables and how to please? im looking to do this...just to keep the car in tip top and i dont think the car has been properly looked after since out of the show room. thanks. (sorry original poster for hijack)

but back to topic...there is a lenghty discussion on this forum and another i am on about just getting the DPF removed and the car remapped so that the ECU/BSI will ignore that this DPF is missing. has your mate considered this? it will save him money in the long term.

then again, if he is just doing short miles, wouldnt he be better off with a petrol and if longer miles a diesel, as the DPF will regenerate once the speed/temp have been acheived and is held for a few minutes, people just suffer from DPF issues as their car is getting on and they do shorter town miles, so the DPF cannot regen.
bottletree
Thanks all for your help. The 1.6 would have been great, but like i said with having the DPF and a bill for £1000 at 6 years or so its a no brainer. I will have a look at the tax for the 1.8 tdci and the mpg. They live in the countryside and its 15 miles into Sheffield daily. They are putting £50 a week petrol in the Punto at moment. With the diesel it will be far superior.
Thanks again folks. :rolleyes:
APJ
ive got a 2005 2.0TDCI Focus Titanium and it does not have a DPF. On the 05's it was a £350 optional extra
Leemaxd
Cleaning the egr is easy, just do this

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DhYk3Mm8HQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone
shaddow
Yes easy enough to do. I did mine last week, using wynns egr cleaner, which i got off e-bay.


The instructions that i got from the supplier was as follows.

Warm up engine, and switch off
Remove pipe from the air-box to the egr valve
Re-start engine, and set rpm to 2000. ( this i did by using my mate on the throttle )
Spray product into egr port in no more than two second intervals

WARNING, if engine revs increase, or deisel knocking occurs, whilst spraying, set engine revs to idle
Continue till all product has been used
Let engine tick over for two minutes, then switch off
Replace hose etc
Re-start engine, and rev 5-10 times, or drive for 5-10 kilometers
DO NOT EXEED 3000rpm, whilst doing this.

As i say i did this to mine last week, and did it with no problem. Blew some crap out though lol
jig
[quote name='jig' timestamp='1301127654' post='120144']
Focus TDCI (90 BHP) are non DPF till 2009 I believe
[/quote]


Should have said the Focus 1.6 TDCi (90 BHP) are non dpf till 2009.
r0b3r7
I don't own a diesel but have noticed alot of DPF related posts... What exactly is the DPF and what is it's purpose... Just out of interest :)
bottletree
[quote name='r0b3r7' timestamp='1301246344' post='120316']
I don't own a diesel but have noticed alot of DPF related posts... What exactly is the DPF and what is it's purpose... Just out of interest :)
[/quote]


Trust me my friend, you don't want to know. Its another way for the governments and dealers etc to squeeze a hell of a lot more cash out of the drivers. When you consider that the recent volcanic eruption in Iceland emitted the equivalent of chinas emissions over a 20 year period, it makes this cleaner air policy a complete charade.
r0b3r7
Hahaha, whatever it is sounds a right royal pain in the t*ts

And dont get me started on "global warming" lol
APJ
my mates got a 2006 1.6 diesel Focus and i was surprised to hear that it doesnt have a DPF! i thought all the 1.6 mk2's had em
jeebowhite
Rob,

The DPF is the Diesel Particulate Filter (or the Damned Particulate Filter As I have not so affectionately nicknamed it). Basically its a hyped up Catalytic Converter. It works with the Particulate filter to remove soot and other cack that the engine kicks out in the exhaust. It is maintained by the engine injecting EOLYS fluid into the fuel in dribs and drabs which then gets passed through the exhaust gasses and helps to clean the DPF periodically. However it costs a fortune, and requires £1000 for a new one when you reach 75000 miles. Its a nightmare, increases pressure on the engine and the turbo and makes your car more likely to die, as well as lining Fords pockets with Gold. The Eolys fluid one of those things that you need adding into the system and resetting by the most expensive hardware [to run] in the galaxy (Diagnostics computer(true fact!)) so that your car can happily plod along and burn your £1000 nicely. I would much rather put £50 notes in the exhaust system and watch them burn as its easier than facing the £1000 bill.

APJ, I also thought that they were mandatory on these damned things. but then again, did the previous owner get it removed when he bought the car and heard "£1000 service"? or maybe the previous owner did...
r0b3r7
Just as well i dont have one then... i already have a money magnet... an 18 month old daughter lol

Given me food for thought as i was thinking of getting a diesel Focus in the future (2 years or so)... maybe not after reading that lol.

Does anyone know if this has been carried across to the MK3?
jeebowhite
[quote name='r0b3r7' timestamp='1301339665' post='120494']
Just as well i dont have one then... i already have a money magnet... an 18 month old daughter lol

Given me food for thought as i was thinking of getting a diesel Focus in the future (2 years or so)... maybe not after reading that lol.

Does anyone know if this has been carried across to the MK3?
[/quote]

The DPF is now mandatory for all Euro 4/5 Compliant Cars. I was looking at the Cee'd diesel, and the brilliant thing was it had a DPF!!! Genuinely that is a good thing, and the reason is, it sits there, and will work and work and work... No maintenance, so no crappy EOLYS fluid, and no need to replace! by the looks of it, Ford bodged the first lot of DPF's but I dont know if they have bodged for the newer MK3, or if they redesigned it so that its a decent part that doesnt require you to bend over the desk of your dealer at 75000 miles!
APJ
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1301322765' post='120457']
Rob,

The DPF is the Diesel Particulate Filter (or the Damned Particulate Filter As I have not so affectionately nicknamed it). Basically its a hyped up Catalytic Converter. It works with the Particulate filter to remove soot and other cack that the engine kicks out in the exhaust. It is maintained by the engine injecting EOLYS fluid into the fuel in dribs and drabs which then gets passed through the exhaust gasses and helps to clean the DPF periodically. However it costs a fortune, and requires £1000 for a new one when you reach 75000 miles. Its a nightmare, increases pressure on the engine and the turbo and makes your car more likely to die, as well as lining Fords pockets with Gold. The Eolys fluid one of those things that you need adding into the system and resetting by the most expensive hardware [to run] in the galaxy (Diagnostics computer(true fact!)) so that your car can happily plod along and burn your £1000 nicely. I would much rather put £50 notes in the exhaust system and watch them burn as its easier than facing the £1000 bill.

APJ, I also thought that they were mandatory on these damned things. but then again, did the previous owner get it removed when he bought the car and heard "£1000 service"? or maybe the previous owner did...
[/quote]




My mate reckons they became compulsory after 2007.....so maybe they were optional on the 1.6's before 2007?



Also would be interesting to see if anyone knows if Ford have improved their DPF's for the mk3's? surely cant be the same type of DPF's that are on the mk2's??
catch
[quote name='r0b3r7' timestamp='1301339665' post='120494']
Just as well i dont have one then... i already have a money magnet... an 18 month old daughter lol [/quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[quote]
Does anyone know if this has been carried across to the MK3?
[/quote]

They are here to stay, its environmental, and if your ever behind a diesel car in queueing traffic without one, you will wish it had one. They are something you wish others to have, not yourself :D There is a DPF that does not need renewing or the eloys top ups. It's called a CDPF - Catalysed Diesel Particulate Filter. But as to it being fitted on the new Mk 3's I could not tell you..............but some say even the newer CDPF has problems. [url="http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=66412"]SEE HERE[/url] Volvo did a recall recently on newer cars where diesel was entering the sump oil...nice. Anyway all sorted now, bit of a software update, and they just don't put as much oil in at service time. This is to allow a bit of space for the diesel contamination of the sump oil :rolleyes:

Now I cannot swear to those cars being fitted with the CDPF, it may be with the renewable DPF's. Volvo don't talk about it much........I wonder why :rolleyes:
chris-x1
[quote name='jig' timestamp='1301208462' post='120245']
Should have said the Focus 1.6 TDCi (90 BHP) are non dpf till 2009.
[/quote]

I will be buying a Ford Focus soon (ideally a diesel), can I double check with everyone : Ford Focus 1.6 TDCIs (90bhp) up until 2009 do [u]not[/u] have a diesel particulate filter ?

Could I also ask; if you don't generally drive in stop/start traffic and/or usually get to drive most of your journey at 40 mph+, will the DPF always regenerate itself of does it always require replacement at 75k miles ? Thanks :)
jeebowhite
[quote name='chris-x1' timestamp='1301743708' post='121233']
I will be buying a Ford Focus soon (ideally a diesel), can I double check with everyone : Ford Focus 1.6 TDCIs (90bhp) up until 2009 do [u]not[/u] have a diesel particulate filter ?

Could I also ask; if you don't generally drive in stop/start traffic and/or usually get to drive most of your journey at 40 mph+, will the DPF always regenerate itself of does it always require replacement at 75k miles ? Thanks :)
[/quote]

I did 60 miles a day in my DPF 1.6 TDCI focus, and you do get a lot more miles with diesel and the DPF is due renewal according to the service schedule at 75k, however they can last beyond that, I have heard of them lasting up to 90k but not much more than that, of course you end up in limp home mode, and you still have to fork out. If you dont get it replaced at the 75k interval then you will be wondering when the bang to the wallet comes!!
johnH
[quote name='chris-x1' timestamp='1301743708' post='121233']
I will be buying a Ford Focus soon (ideally a diesel), can I double check with everyone : Ford Focus 1.6 TDCIs (90bhp) up until 2009 do [u]not[/u] have a diesel particulate filter ?[/quote]

apparently from 2007 all cars have a DPF by EU Law to be EURO 4/5 Engine.
chris-x1
thanks all :)
Karlos
I have an '07 2.0 TDCi Focus without the DPF. Glad it doesn't have one tbh!
James82
Hi,
I have a 2009 1.8 tdci focus zetec s and am looking at getting one of the tuning boxes. How do I find out if my car has a dpf? I think it makes a difference as to which box I can get.
Cheers
James
Sara Fiesta
Ive just been reading this post about dpf, I received a message saying engine malfunction! I switched the engine off, I started the car again and it took little longer to start, no message so I set off again. The cars running terrible no power at all very poor it's booked in on Tuesday with Ford could this be the dpf gone?

2009 1.6 TDci 41000 miles no record of additive refilled at 37500 service.
catch
[quote name='Sara Fiesta' timestamp='1305496909' post='127432']
Ive just been reading this post about dpf, I received a message saying engine malfunction! I switched the engine off, I started the car again and it took little longer to start, no message so I set off again. The cars running terrible no power at all very poor it's booked in on Tuesday with Ford could this be the dpf gone?

2009 1.6 TDci 41000 miles no record of additive refilled at 37500 service.
[/quote]

Sounds like a DPF problem, nodoubt it's run out of the Eloys additive, and has not been able to do a passive regeneration. If that is the case the dealer will have to do a "Forced Regeneration" and at the same time top up your additive reservoir.

Edit:

I gather from another thread you started, that you have recently bought this car, was it a private sale or from a car dealership [that includes a "one man band" who sells cars he buys with the intention to not personally own but sell on to the public for profit]

When did you buy? Because in you bought from a Trader it [b]"has to be fit for purpose"[/b] as defined in the Sale of Goods Act. If the car was circa 37k on the clock, it is their responsibility to ensure the Eloy's reservoir has been topped up prior to you taking reciept of the car. Any damage to the car [blocked DPF possibly in this case] The cost of the remedial work and the Eloy's additive reservoir top up and ECU management reset, is down to the trader/ garage you bought from. If they dispute this, just issue the magic phrase......I will be informing the local Trading Standards Office, that My rights under the Sale of Goods Act have not be upheld by the Trader/Garage ......see my signature in regards to knowing your rights.
jeebowhite
Sara, whats your current mileage?
eddiestopa
I have mk2 54 reg Focus. It's 1.6 tdci with higgher power output. No DPF but road tax is £90/year.
Sara Fiesta
Hi All, yes purchased from a main dealer, has 40780 miles now was 37990 miles when I bought it. Full service history car running fine now ford said the car had 2 error codes low fuel warning and excess revs warning these where reset and a new ecu update applied now running fine. Dpf fluid is ok or the engine light would of come on by now they said?
catch
[quote name='Sara Fiesta' timestamp='1305912588' post='128209']
Hi All, yes purchased from a main dealer, has 40780 miles now was 37990 miles when I bought it. Full service history car running fine now ford said the car had 2 error codes low fuel warning and excess revs warning these where reset and a new ecu update applied now running fine. Dpf fluid is ok or the engine light would of come on by now they said?
[/quote]

Sara, did the main dealer service the car for you prior to you picking it up when you first purchased it from them? Because they should have done [as a private owner or lease company selling the car on circa 37.5k would not pay out for a service to be done, and that service is deemed to be a "major" service]

You say there is no record in the service log that the Eloys additive has been topped up. Well it should have been done in the 37.5k service as stated in the "Ford Service Schedule" And the way you have worded their observations in regard to the said fluid gives me concern. The Eloys additive should last circa 40k, that is why it is supposed to be topped up in the 37.5k service. What I'm saying is, if they refilled it when they sold it to you 2790 miles ago, they would know the additive reservoir was full, not have to make assumed judgements.

I suggest you demand some definitive answers from them:

1. Did they give the car it's 37.5k service as laid out in Fords Service Schedule.
2. And did they refill the Eloy's additive reservoir and reset the ECU as laid out in the aforementioned service schedule.

And if the above were indeed undertaken, why have one or both not been recorded in the service log book?

Your warranty is only valid if you can prove the vehicle has been serviced as per Ford Schedule. Besides if when you come to sell the vehicle it will be worth more if the log book proves it has been done as per schedule.
Sara Fiesta
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1305914964' post='128213']
Sara, did the main dealer service the car for you prior to you picking it up when you first purchased it from them? Because they should have done [as a private owner or lease company selling the car on circa 37.5k would not pay out for a service to be done, and that service is deemed to be a "major" service]

You say there is no record in the service log that the Eloys additive has been topped up. Well it should have been done in the 37.5k service as stated in the "Ford Service Schedule" And the way you have worded their observations in regard to the said fluid gives me concern. The Eloys additive should last circa 40k, that is why it is supposed to be topped up in the 37.5k service. What I'm saying is, if they refilled it when they sold it to you 2790 miles ago, they would know the additive reservoir was full, not have to make assumed judgements.

I suggest you demand some definitive answers from them:

1. Did they give the car it's 37.5k service as laid out in Fords Service Schedule.
2. And did they refill the Eloy's additive reservoir and reset the ECU as laid out in the aforementioned service schedule.

And if the above were indeed undertaken, why have one or both not been recorded in the service log book?

Your warranty is only valid if you can prove the vehicle has been serviced as per Ford Schedule. Besides if when you come to sell the vehicle it will be worth more if the log book proves it has been done as per schedule.
[/quote]

Hi, unfortunately the garage that repaired the fault was not the garage I purchased the car from so they couldn't tell me if the fluid was full or not only that it would of run out by now and the engine warning light would light up and not the engine malfunction warning.

The service was not done by the garage I purchased the car and I am now concerned about this and will be contacting them today regarding the dpf fluid.

Iíll see what they say.

Thanks,

Sara.
jeebowhite
[quote name='Sara Fiesta' timestamp='1305964118' post='128269']
Hi, unfortunately the garage that repaired the fault was not the garage I purchased the car from so they couldn't tell me if the fluid was full or not only that it would of run out by now and the engine warning light would light up and not the engine malfunction warning.

The service was not done by the garage I purchased the car and I am now concerned about this and will be contacting them today regarding the dpf fluid.

Iíll see what they say.

Thanks,

Sara.
[/quote]

The service should have been done! if not the service was not complete, and you can take the car back as being in unsatisfactory condition. you may not get a full refund due to the miles you have driven but argue the point with them!
Sara Fiesta
I've just spoken to the garage that i purchased the car from they seem to think that my model has no fluid for the dpf as some did on earlier models ????
Yes its a Ford main dealer!
jeebowhite
Really? Its my understanding that since day one they all had Eolys fluid... Otherwise they would have gone from maintenance free - to maintenance required DPF's... Im no genius, but that to me is a step the wrong way for Ford! :|

I would speak to another dealer, call around them and get them to run your reg / vin through the systems. I wouldnt trust this garage's opinion, and I really dont believe there were ever no eolys fluid DPF's on any focus, I have and could well be wrong again, but I dont believe thats true...
Sara Fiesta
I spoke to the service dept. she was not very helpful she even said that I would have to pay for it if it was, I said I don't think so I bought the car from your dealership and it should have all been done!

I have since telephoned another dealer and they confirmed it does take the fluid all models do so you are right.
jeebowhite
In that case, write to the dealer you bought the car from! tell them they dont understand their own vehicle, and (confirm with maybe one or two other dealers) and state that you have been advised by X other dealers your vehicle does take the EOLYS fluid, and as such you expect they should do this free of charge, as the Service should have been completed fully as per the guidelines, and you are not going to pay out for such work to be undertaken. Threaten to give them the car back if they refuse to do so. See what they say.

I cant believe they are muppets that much to the point they dont even realise your car takes EOLYS....

Where abouts is your dealer located in kent? presuming it was a dagenham motors somewhere?
Sara Fiesta
I shall call them on Monday morning and speak to the service manager! if no joy I shall write to head office!
jeebowhite
Definately do! also stick a letter in the post (drop off a letter in hand to someone!) once you have had your conversation and re-affirm the points made in that phone call, make sure you get them to write to you also with the conclusions of this! record all communications and I would also note down your conversation with them today, and with this other Ford dealer, so that when you write to Ford, you quote the dealers and their response, you could end up getting one of them in trouble - hopefully its the ones who are trying to fob you off :)
catch
The Mk2.5 Focus 2.0l TDCi was fitted with the non Eloys, no renewable CDPF from 2008 onwards. However the Mk2.5 Focus 1.6 TDCi is on the original Eloys required DPF right through to it ceases production sometime this year. The new Mk3 Focus 1.6 TDCi has the no eloys's no replacement required at 75K CDPF

It's a bugger when a Ford Main Dealer does not know it's own product. Car dealers service cars once they have a buyer, not before. That's because the car may not sell at that dealership, so may be shipped out to another dealership, hence if the other dealership get the profit from a sale, they have to stand the service costs.

FACT, your car required the 37.5k service undertaking prior to you taking reciept of it, included in that service was the Eloy's additive top up and ECU reset. If they did not do either of the above they have contravened Fords own warranty requirements.

Stand firm demand you get the full service done as per Fords own Service Schedual. If they are to stupid to realise they have not got a leg to stand on, write to Ford UK and demand action.......Go get em Sara
Sara Fiesta
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1305993877' post='128327']
The Mk2.5 Focus 2.0l TDCi was fitted with the non Eloys, no renewable CDPF from 2008 onwards. However the Mk2.5 Focus 1.6 TDCi is on the original Eloys required DPF right through to it ceases production sometime this year. The new Mk3 Focus 1.6 TDCi has the no eloys's no replacement required at 75K CDPF

It's a bugger when a Ford Main Dealer does not know it's own product. Car dealers service cars once they have a buyer, not before. That's because the car may not sell at that dealership, so may be shipped out to another dealership, hence if the other dealership get the profit from a sale, they have to stand the service costs.

FACT, your car required the 37.5k service undertaking prior to you taking reciept of it, included in that service was the Eloy's additive top up and ECU reset. If they did not do either of the above they have contravened Fords own warranty requirements.

Stand firm demand you get the full service done as per Fords own Service Schedual. If they are to stupid to realise they have not got a leg to stand on, write to Ford UK and demand action.......Go get em Sara
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Thanks will do.
jeebowhite
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1305993877' post='128327']
The Mk2.5 Focus 2.0l TDCi was fitted with the non Eloys, no renewable CDPF from 2008 onwards. However the Mk2.5 Focus 1.6 TDCi is on the original Eloys required DPF right through to it ceases production sometime this year. The new Mk3 Focus 1.6 TDCi has the no eloys's no replacement required at 75K CDPF
[/quote]

Thanks Catch, I like to be proven wrong! I learn better that way!
catch
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1306226081' post='128670']
Thanks Catch, I like to be proven wrong! I learn better that way!
[/quote]

No sweat mate :)

I knew Volvo went non maintenance circa 2008 on the S40 2.0 ltre engine. And when I was snooping about on the [url="http://www.clickcarparts.co.uk/p/diesel_particulate_filters~13/"]CLICKCARPARTS[/url] Diesel Particulate Filters section. Replacement DPF for 1.6 engine runs through 2005 right up to 2011. 0n the 2.0 engine it's 2004 through to 2007. It's the same DPF as used by Volvo, not surprising as they share engines.

Now as an aside I know some Volvo S40 2.0 diesels [presumably on the newer CDPF] were having diesel fuel contamination of the sump oil. There was a recall for a software up date, and a new dip stick I think. First fix was to not fill the sump oil to the Max mark! Some fix that was, they were obviously allowing room for diesel fuel to mix with the engine oil. Kinda makes a mockery of the need to buy specific expensive lubricating oils with tight tolerances, only to have it contaminated with diesel fuel.

[url="http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=66412&v=f"]Honest John DPF or Non DPF discussion.[/url]

[quote] In general the passive CDPF operating conditions requires an engine exhaust temperature

above 250 o C for at least 30% of the operation.

And if it doesn't do this before it is nearly full (i.e. temperature not reached) it will try an active regeneration by injecting diesel into the exhaust to burn and increase temperature. Some of this on some cars can end up in the sump.

If active regeneration does not happen then the car goes into limp mode and the car can only be regenerated at the dealers. And if left without doing this will eventually need a new DPF.

Edited by rtj70 on 03/08/2009 at 23:05[/quote]
jeebowhite
Tis an interesting thread, I like the fact I have gone back to petrol, but miss a few things about diesel. good old None DPF's - All the fun of diesel, fuel efficiency of a zebra, and miles per tank are always good!

*sigh* shame the damned DPF is to become mandatory... However when they get maintenance free really integrated and running like a dream, then there wont be a problem!

Sarah, how did your punchup with the dealership go? I hope you walked out with everything sorted?
digidash
[quote name='Sara Fiesta' timestamp='1305912588' post='128209']
Hi All, yes purchased from a main dealer, has 40780 miles now was 37990 miles when I bought it. Full service history car running fine now ford said the car had 2 error codes low fuel warning and excess revs warning these where reset and a new ecu update applied now running fine. Dpf fluid is ok or the engine light would of come on by now they said?
[/quote]
if your ford dealer is the one that did the last service they should have refilled the additive and reset additive ecu. tell them they must have forgot about the service bulletin saying it MUST be filed at 37500 miles and if it isnt dpf will fail as it wont regen. you need to get them to do it free as they charge A FORTUNE to do it when the light does come on. they charge for 5 litres and use 2!!! regards steve
jeebowhite
Yeah I asked for the remainder of my bottle :) gave it to a friend and just got his ECU reset - saved him about 80 - 90 quid!


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