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GelpMan
Is it posible to change the original instrument panel (speedometer thingy) to convers+? Would be a nice uppgrade to my 2007 S-Max.
137699
Yes it's been done before. Straight swap apparently.
137699
Just to add - I tried this yesterday with a Convers+ panel from a Mondeo and it does indeed just plug in & work. The only caveat is that you have to get the mileage corrected at a Ford dealer.
Nuno Umbelino
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Just to add - I tried this yesterday with a Convers+ panel from a Mondeo and it does indeed just plug in & work. The only caveat is that you have to get the mileage corrected at a Ford dealer.
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Hello.
I bought one of these Convers+ panel. But now how to take out the old panel? Is it easy to do or is it better for Ford to do it?
Thanks for your help! :D
137699
Very easy - lever down the lower plastic fasica panel above the steering column and you will expose two torx screws. Undo these, then use a knife or thin flatblade screwdriver and lever out the cluster from the top (behind there is a clip which you need to lever down - then the cluster will slide out).
Unplug the wiring loom (1 plug) - push into new cluster then slide that back in - pop the screws back and you're done. 5 min job.
Nuno Umbelino
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Very easy - lever down the lower plastic fasica panel above the steering column and you will expose two torx screws. Undo these, then use a knife or thin flatblade screwdriver and lever out the cluster from the top (behind there is a clip which you need to lever down - then the cluster will slide out).
Unplug the wiring loom (1 plug) - push into new cluster then slide that back in - pop the screws back and you're done. 5 min job.
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Thanks for replying!
I still haven't received the panel yet but as soon as I have it, I will give it a try. :)
Regarding mileage, there is no other chance then to correct it at Ford, right?
Nuno Umbelino
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Very easy - lever down the lower plastic fasica panel above the steering column and you will expose two torx screws. Undo these, then use a knife or thin flatblade screwdriver and lever out the cluster from the top (behind there is a clip which you need to lever down - then the cluster will slide out).
Unplug the wiring loom (1 plug) - push into new cluster then slide that back in - pop the screws back and you're done. 5 min job.
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Just tried to lever down the lower fascia but it didn't move... :(
Is there any special trick? You just push it down or you push it towards you?
Thanks again!
137699
Assuming you're referring to the plastic fascia below the cluster (above the steering column) then pull it firmly toward you, it will bend in the middle (don't worry about that it's quite flexible).
RR7
i'm also planning on doing this upgrade to me 2006 s-max 2.5T

i know the unit is different on the petrol and diesel models, but is the petrol version common across the range? also, is there a part number for the the convers+?
137699
You just need to ensure it's got the same scales - i.e. 8000 RPM and 160MPH.
RR7
cool, thanks.

dont suppose anyone has the part number for the mph petrol version? only part number i found was the KPH one :\
137699
Taken from the back of my unit:
7M2T-10849-BF
RR7
thats very helpful, thanks alot :)
andthen
howdy guys....

maybe you guys could answer a question for me....

is there a usb port somewhere on the convers+ unit ????, as i have the unit in my mondeo but no usb port in the glove box...
137699
Nope. To implement the USB port you need to upgrade the bluetooth module in the car to the later version & buy the additional wiring looms.
The USB wires to the bluetooth module, which in turn wires to the radio headunit.
You also need a radio with a sufficient firmware version to support the new bluetooth module & USB connection.
andthen
thanks for the advice amigos;-)
RR7
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Assuming you're referring to the plastic fascia below the cluster (above the steering column) then pull it firmly toward you, it will bend in the middle (don't worry about that it's quite flexible).
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does this actually come out? i've been trying this for over an hour now and it wont move, the sides seem to push below the lip but it wont come forward at all. it looks like the plastic tab that pushes into the bottom right hole in the instruments is starting to stress due to the movement i've forcing it into.

i dont want to break it, but i cant see this is a 5 minute job unless i'm missing something obvious (which is likely)
137699
You don't need to take it out - you just bend it sufficiently to obtain access to the screws.
RR7
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You don't need to take it out - you just bend it sufficiently to obtain access to the screws.
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Ah, I see. Surely it must come out though?

They bloke that's going to correct the mileage says he wants to fit it as he takes settings from the old cluster, guess I'll just leave it till then....if I can remain patient enough!
RR7
Okay, for some reason it's a maration job to take it out properly, I miss my BMW a bit ;)

I'll go for the bending method I guess.

Anyone here actually bothered to get their mileage fixed afterward? Ford and another workshop both tell me this can only be done on new units.

I'll have to try one of them mobile services.

Anyone had any grief since fitnent? Service warnings or anything like that?

Someone said the immobiliser code is in the dash, sounds like scaremongering though.
137699
Apart from the mileage (I have no idea if the mobile guys can correct that or not - I was also told only new units could have the mileage reprogrammed), you may need your GEM or BCM modules reprogrammed if you have any electrical wierdness - not always the case, but you might have the lights on the dash not coming on when you turn on the headlights.

This just needs an IDS session to update your car's settings so that it works with the advanced cluster.

If your car has had any software updates in the past (or depending on manufacture date) it may not need this anyway.
RR7
What's an IDS session?

I fitted it today, I see what you mean now, I could do another one in about 10 mins.

The dials backlight doesn't come on with the lights. My s-max is a 56 plate so it's before the convers came out.

Everything else seems fine.

The mileage was only 20 on the clock(that's 000020)

So perhaps it can be programmed by ford.

I
RR7
Hmm, not going well, the BCM doesn't seem to want to update, tried with new and old cluster in.

All fine apart from the damn dial back lights :/
RR7
For clarification, the facts about mileage reprogramming are:

Fords official software will only update a cluster that has less than 100 miles on the clock by design.

Mobile mileage correction companies that use 3rd party software are not restricted in such a way.
137699
IDS session = plugging your car into your Ford Dealer's diagnostics system to update the car settings so that it's set to operate with a convers+ dashboard & correct the dashboard lights.

Has yours been done now? Let me know when you get it sorted as I have to do the same on mine at some point.
RR7
No, it's not done.

I took it for an ids session, the software kept bombing out when updating the BCM saying it could not communicate with the module. We tried this with two different laptops with current and older ids.

It basically cost me a couple of hours labour to not fix it.

So is yours also not working? I was under the impression that yours and someone's else's here were straight swapped and working.

I take it you mean the back lights for the dials when you say dash lights?
137699
I don't have my convers+ cluster fitted yet, as the mileage on my convers cluster is 10,000 miles more than the car has already done.
I have trial fitted it though and on mine the speedo/rev counter backlight didn't come on with the headlights, and nor did the rest of the dashboard illumination (i.e. climate control buttons, radio buttons, headlight switch etc.).

Refitting the old non-convers+ cluster and all the lights work fine again.

I'm aware that others have not had this problem when retro-fitting convers+ and it is (I'm reliably informed) down to software versions on the BCM and/or GEM modules. If the software version pre-dated the release of the convers+ cluster, it has to be upgraded. On 2007+ cars I'm told it's not a problem as they have newer software pre-loaded at the factory.
RR7
What's the gem module? Is that the firmware on the cluster?

We flashed the cluster with the latest software to no avail.

The BCM thing makes perfect sense, but like I said mine wouldn't flash. Not sure what to do next, can't chuck too much money at it for a while.
137699
GEM = General Electric Module.

It's the multiplexer device that controls many of the in car electrical systems.
RR7
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GEM = General Electric Module.

It's the multiplexer device that controls many of the in car electrical systems.
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are you going to get your BCM updated any time soon? since mine wouldnt flash i'd like to know if its worth pursuing why it wont flash. already spend a bit trying to get it done, i'm hoping you might now make a move :)
137699
I've got another 10,000 miles wait until I put my set in - approx 6-9 months I reckon.
RR7
cant see my patience lasting that long ;)

speaking to ford dealers is a pain in the anus too. "you cant change the clsuter as the car wont start" - really? how comes i did fit it and it did start then?

when they make comments like that i really dont know why i should trust anything else they say.

this all came about coz they last guy who tried to update my BCM couldnt do it and then started saying stuff about needing a new module, i hate it when these garages try and convince you for new ECU and crap like that because they dont know what the answer is.

anyway they reckon they can uddate the BCM and blamed the other guys equipment, sad thing is they want 100 to do it. which i think is a lot of money to spend when we dont really know if thats gonna fix it.

part of me wonders if the cluster coming from a mondeo is the issue....

some other guy reckons he's a real wiz with these things, perhaps i'll give it another go next week.....
RR7
i've got an update on this, it seems you cannot update the 2006 -03/2007 model BCM to support convers+. it just physically lacks the features that later models have.

so assuming it IS the BCM causing it (and i also have a reliable source that says it is) it will need to be replaced.

the current module that supersedes this one is the same across most of the smax range except the 2.2 diesel and the facelift.
RR7
Update:

If your bcm part number begins with a 6 then the convers, will play up with your electrics as mentioned, if it's a 7 series module it works.

I was able to get hold of a second hand 7 series module, matched the settings for my car and it fixes the problem, HOWEVER, you can't configure a second hand module with your chassis number etc using IDS, so I can't run the car with this module installed.

Does anyone know anyone that has software that can totally clear the configuration from a second hand module?

News ones are about 400+
RR7
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I've got another 10,000 miles wait until I put my set in - approx 6-9 months I reckon.
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did you ever make any progress on this?
137699
Nope - I ran with the convers+ clocks in for a while - decided I didn't like them anyway - rev counter too small and the screen displays only the same info as the red screen but takes up too much room and glares in your face as you drive at night.

So I sold on the clocks without ever getting to the bottom of the dash lighting issue.


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