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ChrisH
56 plate focus zetec climate....

I was under the impression that this model had a low washer fluid warning system. its never seemed to work, and I am not sure its even fitted... Have run out of fluid on a few occasions, quite inconveniently, and I wondered...


1.. How to tell if its even fitted.
2.. if it is, where is it, and what could be wrong.

I have trawled the haynes manual, but there appears to be no fuse for this, and even been onto the Ford Etis site, and looked up my exact car specs, and although it does not say it has this system, it dosnt say it hasny either, as this site appears to tell you what options are not fitted as well

If it isnt fitted, is there an aftermarket fit available for this??

Thanks for any help
reprised
Hi,

I have a zetec climate too, albeit a 57 plate and mine doesn't have this feature either. How they expect you to check the fluid level I don't know. It can be annoying when driving in adverse weather and finding that there is no washer fluid left. Maybe Ford can activate it on the ecu alternatively just keep topping it up every week.
volts
Had 2 Focus and i've never encoutered it so under impression it doesnt come with this feature
Stoney871
No, mine doesn't have that either.
Can be a pain at times.
I always make sure I'm carrying a bottle of ready mixed just in case.
Nigel S
My 55 plate Mk2 Zetec Climate does have this feature, yet the Missus' 59 plate Zetec doesn't.
Lenny
i have a 2010 Zetec Focus and it doesn't have the feature neither, but i have been looking in the haynes manual for the focus 2005-2010 and the wiring loom is their for the washer fluid warning sensor, so its strange no one has the feature,

the only ''solution'' (parden the pun) i can think of is to fit the new Mk3 focus Mist type jets to the car because they use a mist instead of squirting water and the mist type will save you on fluid.
see my guide in the list below for fitting theses, they cost less than £5 from Ford B)
jeebowhite
I had it on my 55 Zetec TDCI - quite upset I dont have it on the new car, but it was definately there on the Zetec, I never physically ran out, as I was able to respond to the dashboards advisory...
artscot79
cant comment ive always topped mine up weekly in winter and monthly in summer so its never ran low
ChrisH
Looks like its pretty random if its fitted or not....

@lenny, I had already followed your very informative guide, on fitting the mist jets :P
Lenny
[quote name='ChrisH' timestamp='1326749254' post='161653']
Looks like its pretty random if its fitted or not....

@lenny, I had already followed your very informative guide, on fitting the mist jets :P
[/quote]

Thanks,
im all out of ideas for you then mate, ill see if i can do a guide on fitting a reserve fuel tank from a yamaha R1 to a ford focus windscreen washer tank,
give me a couple of days :lol:
Barry_
My titanium ran out of fluid with no dashboard notifications -would of though that model would have it - random!!
jeebowhite
seemingly beyond random! this is an unusual circumstance... I could understand the odd Zetec being missed out (if they decided to upgrade an LX or style just to get rid of the parts) but to miss it out on a Titanium? that is poor! - Unless of course your car was an LX in the factory, they fitted all the additionals, but then gave someone else the last remaining warning light? so you got the full package - minus this one ? lol
Barry_
Either that or the sensor isn't working, can't be arsed to remove the inner wheel arch cover to check - plus mist jets probably mean it will take a year to run out lol
Barry_
Either that or the sensor isn't working, can't be arsed to remove the inner wheel arch cover to check - plus mist jets probably mean it will take a year to run out lol
Lenny
[quote name='ChrisH' timestamp='1326658958' post='161493']
56 plate focus zetec climate....

I was under the impression that this model had a low washer fluid warning system. its never seemed to work, and I am not sure its even fitted... Have run out of fluid on a few occasions, quite inconveniently, and I wondered...


1.. How to tell if its even fitted.
2.. if it is, where is it, and what could be wrong.

I have trawled the haynes manual, but there appears to be no fuse for this, and even been onto the Ford Etis site, and looked up my exact car specs, and although it does not say it has this system, it dosnt say it hasny either, as this site appears to tell you what options are not fitted as well

If it isnt fitted, is there an aftermarket fit available for this??

Thanks for any help
[/quote]

in section 12.30 Wiring Diagrams of the haynes manual
Diagram: Typical Instrument Cluster
unit number 64 on that diagram is the low washer fluid level switch
wires feeding to it are both black and orange and lead from the instrument cluster

positive feed from the instrument cluster and the earth feed comes from the brake fluid level switch and earths near by.
ChrisH
Thanks Lenny... I must have missed that.

I will have a look at the wiring diagram, then pull the bottle out, see what the wiring is like.

Cheers

Chris
TDCiST
I topped mine up the other day, i may empty the tank to see if i have it lol!
Lenny
no prob mate,
the haynes manual isint the most user friendly book for the price you pay and the volume they sell,
you would expect the pages to have some colour and a better layout on them,
james_60
Its weired that our cars do not have such sensors.

Brake pad wear warning light
Low Washer Fluid Level Light
Low Oil Warning Light

The Mk1 Sierra (Sept 1982-march 1986) has the above warning lights.

So our cars although more technologically advanced and have more safety equipment etc etc have taken a step back in (Clean hands Warning Lights)

Also A Light Under the Bonnet so we can see what the f*** we are doing in the dark.

Jamie
eddiestopa
I can confirm the sensor is on the reservoir (obviously haha) as I had to change my pump once!
TDCiST
Ive just seen a video on Youtube, displaying the low washer fluid light, but no more info...
ChrisH
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1327007275' post='162201']
Ive just seen a video on Youtube, displaying the low washer fluid light, but no more info...
[/quote]

I have just seen that video as well..... If the loom is there, then it should be a simple matter of getting the correct pump then??
TDCiST
maybe... or maybe its a ECU option...
ChrisH
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1327008003' post='162205']
maybe... or maybe its a ECU option...
[/quote]

That would be typical :rolleyes:

You know, sometimes I yearn back to my younger days, contact breaker points, dizzies and carbs, and not this fancy ECU nonsense :D :D
TDCiST
Agreed^^^

Ill just adjust the fuel, get it running better, or a bit more power... WITH ONE SCREW!!! lol
Pidu
Is low washer fluid light the orange one on the left of the computer display? When I turn ignition on this light is on for just a moment. Does it mean that my car has this feature? Up to now I never had a chance to check it :)
ChrisH
HI. There are 2 lights, one each side of the computer display.... An amber one, and an red one. The amber lights up for warnings, and these warnings are shown by the display. Red is for danger, again to supplant the diagnostic message. I have only ever had 1 amber light warning, that was a steering assist failure, caused by the power steering pump failing. Glad it was still under warranty for this.......
artscot79
Ran mine right down and hey presto warning came on nice to know its there but i regularly top up anyway so unlikely il see it again
volts
Seems hit and miss if a Focus has it. Seems to be poointed to it been enabled via ECU or whatever
ChrisH
I e-mailed ford about this a few days ago. They have just got back to me. Reply a little odd, detailed below, however they state the Zetec Climates should have this feature. Maybe its just faulty.....

[i]In regards to your query I have spoken with the brand management team for the Focus, who have advised on your particular model you will have the warning sign for the low washer level.

To explain, when your washer level is low, you will see an 'I' sign between the temperature gauge and the fuel gauge. The scroll of the left hand side of the stalk you can scroll down to 'messages' which will then display what the 'I' is referring too.[/i]
Chewitt
I've been trying to find out about this for a few months now.

I've got a 57 plate titanium which was advertised as having the feature but doesn't appear to. Is it a case of getting Ford to hook it up to their machine and enable it and maybe fit a new bottle with sensor?

Really annoying.
ferretfloozy
sure i read some where in the manual that it's only fitted to cars with headlamp washers ..either way my 07 climate doesnt have it :(
ChrisH
Well guys, I got a response from Ford, albeing confusing.... After they confused my car with a Mk2.5, even though they had the VIN number, they have now said that the MK2s dont have this feature?!?!? Can understand this at all, as the manual states its there.
Ford dont even know whats on their cars nowadays.

Will just have to check each week :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Mattfocus
Hi

My 55 plate 1.6 zetec climate has this feature, I'm annoyed as it comes on so often. Perhaps they stopped fitting it after 2005?
james_60
Something that was standard is now not.

As i have said before.

1982 mk1 ford sierra GL and Ghia had Washer Bottle Level Sensors as standard.

They also had brake pad wear warning lights.

They also had a low oil warning light not a no oil light like we have these days.

That was back in 1982 !!!

Ford Need to get there heads out of there asses

Jamie
Bigdaddycain
My 2005 Titanium has the low washer fluid feature... The warning light glows orange, and the computer display is taken over with "LOW WASHER FLUID" warning... I'll take a piccy of the display the next time i run out ;)
Chewitt
I wish there was a retrofit how-to guide for this.
Lenny
[quote name='Chewitt' timestamp='1328807809' post='165715']
I wish there was a retrofit how-to guide for this.
[/quote]

this type of install would require the computer in the car (the GEM) to be activated to comunicate with the sensor in the washer bottle mate, so regardless of how much the sensor costs and fitting a new washer bottle, all that wouldnt be a problem but the down side of it is ford will charge £60 diagnostic fee. to activate the sensor for you.
so i wouldnt bother personally.
artscot79
they have now said that the MK2s dont have this feature?!?!?

shoiws how much ford know when my cars an 06 on a 55 plate a zetec climate and i have it very strange that ford dont have a clue and if that was the case why advertise all of the specs as having it
Lenny
its in the haynes focus mk2 & mk2.5 manual on the wiring diagram's
artscot79
That realy is poor from ford that they cant get the basics right or maybe they cocked up and didnt fit it to cars that should have it id phone them up and tell them youre a member and to point out what was said just to see what they say
ChrisH
When I originally asked ford the question their reply was as follows....

[i]In regards to your query I have spoken with the brand management team for the Focus, who have advised on your particular model you will have the warning sign for the low washer level.

To explain, when your washer level is low, you will see an 'I' sign between the temperature gauge and the fuel gauge. The scroll of the left hand side of the stalk you can scroll down to 'messages' which will then display what the 'I' is referring too.

I hope this information has helped. If you do have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us.[/i]

I replied to this stating I did not have this kind of Dash, and I suspected they were referring to the facelift model, even though I had given them my reg no!! I also sent them a photo of my Dash, so they knew it was a MK2. The final reply was as follows

[left][i][font="Verdana"][size="2"]Thanks for taking the time to show us this image. I have spoken again with the product specialist who has advised, that yes you do have the model before the facelift. [/size][/font][/i][/left]

[left][i][font="Verdana"][size="2"]Therefore you will not have a warning light when the fluid washer level is low, and we are unable to retrofit this. Also just to confirm we are aware this is not integral to the washer pump. If you have any further queries about this just let us know.[/size][/font][/i][font="Verdana"][size="2"][/size][/font][/left]

[left][font="Verdana"][size="2"]This I read as the Mk2 model does not have this feature, or should I have read it as the MK2 Zetec Climate does not have this feature. I am in no doubt that ford have no idea to what model it is fitted to, and I think they seriously need to smell the coffee, when it comes to fitted features, and what models they are fitted to. There are other posts reagrds other 'features' that some cars have and some dont, that seems pretty random. I also asked if it was integral to the washer pump, they say no, in contradiction to another poster here, that confirms it is. Words fail me.........[/size][/font][/left]
eddiestopa
No it isn't integral to the washer pump, the pump is on its own and the sensor is on the other side of the bottle like this one
[url="http://seekpart24.com/hella/level-control-switch-windscreen-washer-tank-6pr006984031"]http://seekpart24.co...nk-6pr006984031[/url]
My Focus mk2 has this feature by the way.
ChrisH
Sorry mate, I think I misread your previous post :unsure:

Words still fail me regards ford knowledge. I shall pull the resovoir when its better weather and see if I actually have a sensor.
btmaldon
[quote name='ferretfloozy' timestamp='1328475168' post='164971']
sure i read some where in the manual that it's only fitted to cars with headlamp washers ..either way my 07 climate doesnt have it :(
[/quote]

Just found this in my handbook. The Mk2.5 only has this feature if you have headlamp washers. Its still likely all the washer bottles have the sensor though as Ford do like to use the same parts on as many variants as possible.
TDCiST
My Zetec S doesnt have this... however wonder if playing with IDS can enable it....
artscot79
heres the proof ford dont know what they are talking about ive let it run down instead of my usual weekly top up
ChrisH
Bloody knew it.... What spec is your focus artscot?? Mine is a late 56 plate (End Dec 2006), 1.8TDCi zetec climate.

Will need to pull the fluid bottle, its not beyond the imagination that the sensor may be duff. Will short out the wiring (if its there) and see if the dash shows anything. If not, I may go to ford, and demand its activated. getting pretty tired of Ford apathy in the cars specs.
Stoney871
Mine definitely has no low washer warning.
It ran out yesterday and nothing.
artscot79
1.6 ti-vct zetec climate built 29.09.2005 regitered 16.01.2006

i left it to run low just to show that ford dont have a clue


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