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ajt
Had MOT last Friday, passed with an advisory:

"Offside Front suspension has slight play in a lower suspension ball joint"

So I thought I would just go ahead and replace the ball joint. Two hours saturday morning, job done (took so long as the original is rivetted on). Whilst doing the job I ended up taking the wishbone off, and noted the rear bush was actual split. I think if this had been spotted it would have been a failure, so got lucky there.

I want to replace the wishbone, and should probably do both sides at the same time. I was quoted £75 +vat per side at my local motorfactors, but spotted these on ebay

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FOCUS-MK2-2005-FOCUS-C-MAX-CMAX-2-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUSPENSION-ARMS-NEW-/330647086577?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AFord%7CModel%3AFocus%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+II&hash=item4cfc1a25f1"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FOCUS-MK2-2005-FOCUS-C-MAX-CMAX-2-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUSPENSION-ARMS-NEW-/330647086577?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AFord%7CModel%3AFocus%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+II&hash=item4cfc1a25f1[/url]

Half the price! The guy has 100% and over 84000 sales!

My question is "Has anybody on here purchased these and can give any idea of build quality".

I already understand "You get what you pay for", but there is also "A fool and his money are easily parted".

So I am only after peoples real life experience, thanks.
dezwez
i would go with the ebay ones as he has got good feed back
and i would fit them my self and save some money
ajt
That was exactly my thinking, and diying it is not a problem. In a perverse way I like to work on my car!

I was just hoping someone on here has used these ones, and any real life feedback on the quality, but as you say and I pointed out 84000 people can't be wrong! If I don't hear anything to disuade me I shall probably be ordering tomorrow. Thats next weekends project sorted. I'll take of the newly fitted ball joint and put it somewhere safe.
stef123
The only thing i find with these aftermarket parts is the bushes dont tend to be as good quality as the originals and tend to fail sooner as a result.
artscot79
I Agree with stef i changed my old mk1 and the quality of the bushes was evident and the ebay ones just werent as good so i returned them and got oem parts
ajt
The £75 + vat for one from motor factor was not oem either, dread to think what oem would be.
artscot79
Ide be tempted to buy the ebay ones but buy polybushes and replace them or just get the ebay stuff then smear the face of the bush with good grease to help stop it cracking they will still do you a few years all comes down to cash flow
Pidu
I had the same situation - bought TRW bushes, changed them and all is fine. Those cheap suspension parts don't last long, waste of money unless you want to sell the car soon.
ajt
[quote name='Pidu' timestamp='1330375745' post='169262']
I had the same situation - bought TRW bushes, changed them and all is fine. Those cheap suspension parts don't last long, waste of money unless you want to sell the car soon.
[/quote]

I have been thinking about changing the trailing bushes, but was put of by something I read about needing special equipment, spacers etc, presses etc to get them back in the right position. Did the bushes you used replace the ones as in the link I posted, and if so how did you do it? Been googling bush replacement, but not got anything definitive.
artscot79
the arms are very easy to bend so it depends you can get poly bushes for the rear but the rear suspension needs dropped if the suspension bolts are ceased my mk1 was and i had to take it to ford 240 quid with me supplying the bushes that involved dropping the whole rear end down then refitting the bushes doing the tracking etc thats better than the 500 an independant wanted to do the same job it was easier just buying the arm complete with bush even ford dont like doing just the bush
Pidu
[quote name='ajt' timestamp='1330376500' post='169265']
I have been thinking about changing the trailing bushes, but was put of by something I read about needing special equipment, spacers etc, presses etc to get them back in the right position. Did the bushes you used replace the ones as in the link I posted, and if so how did you do it? Been googling bush replacement, but not got anything definitive.
[/quote]

The link you posted was with whole wishbones as far as I can see. I decided to change wishbone rear (trailing?) bushes because it was much cheaper than good quality wishbone. TRW does a lot of oem parts, so no risk.

Special equipment would speed up the job, but I do not have any. First I got rid of the rubber and outside part of the bush by putting it into fire. All that has left was metal muff, carefully removed with hammer and few simple tools. Then position new bush properly and put it into place - again hammer was very helpful. All straight, there was no problem to do the tracking / wheel alignment.

Unfo my technical vocabulary is poor so please excuse possible mistakes.
Stoney871
[quote name='Pidu' timestamp='1330378554' post='169279']
All that has left was metal muff, carefully removed with hummer and few simple tools. Then position new bush properly and put it into place - again hummer was very helpful.
[/quote]

You needed a large american army jeep to remove them?
Blooming strong bushes. :P
Careful about mentioning bushes and muff in the same post too.
You'll be giving people ideas. :lol:
Sorry, couldn't resist... again :blink:
ajt
Thanks for the advice/opinions guys, I really do appreciate it (love this forum, the way people like to share).

Just to clarify the bush I am talking about is the front lower suspension arm, rear/trailing bush, just like the one shown in the ebay link. My choices seem to be

1. Replace just the bush.
Pros: Overall potentially the chepest solution, and giving perhaps longer life than an after market complete suspension arm.
Cons: Removing the old bush and putting the new one on in exactly the same rotational angle as the original, also getting it pushed on exactly the same distance as the original. Not sure I would ever be happy that I had got it spot on. Cant find any guides on the net for these bushes (they are different to the MK1).

2. Get the cheap arms I linked to in OP
Pros: Assume geometry is correct, relatively simple to do (I have already had one arm off to do the ball joint). Could then try to get the originals refurbished with new bushes at my leisure, waiting in the wings for the cheaper ones to fail.
Cons: Might be a ripoff and they fail catastrophically going 69.9mph in the outside overtaking lane ( :) ) of the motorway, if they last 40,000 miles then I would still be happy.

3. Get a quote from dealer/independent
Pros: Cant thinks of any
Cons: Where's the fun in that, and I would not gain the knowledge or satisfaction of doing something myself.

I think I have convinced myself to go with option 2, and get the complete arms (keeping the old ones in reserve).
ajt
Quote "metal muff" = brillo pad? Ouch.
Pidu
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1330379026' post='169283']
You needed a large american army jeep to remove them?
Blooming strong bushes. :P[/quote]

Sorry, my mistake, funny indeed. Will correct it immediately.

[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1330379026' post='169283']
Careful about mentioning bushes and muff in the same post too.
You'll be giving people ideas. :lol:
Sorry, couldn't resist... again :blink:
[/quote]

[quote name='ajt' timestamp='1330380672' post='169287']
Quote "metal muff" = brillo pad? Ouch.
[/quote]

<_< Sorry, but I do not understand. I know my English is far away from perfect so I will refrain from posting :unsure:




Aaaaa....... no, you will not get rid of me so easily :P :D
Stoney871
I do love a good sense of humour.
Anyone know where I can get one?
:P
ajt
Here is a picture of the damaged bush, sorry about quality, used a boroscope.

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and a couple of others

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[url="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kfJPIRGOEsCHC8-kTa8G3tFBFaMcCC4HpGYwgurXXgo?feat=directlink"]https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kfJPIRGOEsCHC8-kTa8G3tFBFaMcCC4HpGYwgurXXgo?feat=directlink[/url]
ajt
I've just placed the order!

I'll let you know what they are like.
stef123
I dont think the split bush is an MOT failure, from what i have always been led to believe it needs to be hanging out or causing excessive movement to fail.

have you gone for the ebay arms? it might be worth trying ford to see if they can get you bushes for the arms, i done this with a car in the past. bought arms from ebay and fitted genuine bushes (about a fiver each) to them
artscot79
the bushes will pass an mot but wont do the rear end handling any favours if they move too much youl find youreself going sideways round the roundabouts
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I don’t have any real life experiences of these ebay parts, but for what it’s worth, I did hear on the radio recently that a lot of cheap dodgy car parts were being imported from the far east, these were deemed to be unsafe to use, and should be avoided.[/font][/size][/color]

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I hope the parts you have ordered are not part of this consignment, if you have any doubt return them for a refund; you and other peoples lives may depend on your car being safe.[/font][/size][/color]
Pidu
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1330527911' post='169602']
have you gone for the ebay arms? it might be worth trying ford to see if they can get you bushes for the arms, i done this with a car in the past. bought arms from ebay and fitted genuine bushes (about a fiver each) to them
[/quote]

I don't know how it looks in UK, but in Poland Ford does not offer bushes for wishbones. You can get only the whole wishbones.
artscot79
Well i just had new front rear upper bushes done under warranty thank god it was as yet again like the mk1 ford didnt use grease on the bolts so the drivers side had to get the spring cup cut off bolts drilled out and a whole new piece fitted along with the arms and bushes
ajt
I fitted the new wishbones yesterday, and true to form not straight forward!

Firstly quality: I had no cause for concern, very sturdy contsruction, bushes looked fine. Don't know if I would recommend (because they have only been on the car hours). For the money I don't think you can go wrong. I think a lot of the ebay sellers are selling exactly the same quality at twice the cost (cheap!=crap as expensive!=good, but a lot of people think this subconciously (my self probably included)).

Secondly my own stupidity!
A week ago I replaced the lower ball joint on the off side arm, and this is when I found out my taper was 21mm. So I promptly ordered 18mm wishbones. Doh!
Had to go to motorfactor and pickup another ball joint and swap over.
Had tracking done for 35 quid yesterday afternoon (front and back checked, only front needed doing). Front was 30mm out, no surprise there. Car feels a lot firmer now. Very happy with results.

Cost:

Both front wishbones £74.95
Replacement lower joints(!) £30
Tracking £35

Total £149.95 (<-about the cost of one genuine ford arm, and take £30 quid off for my own stupid mistake, £120)
Stoney871
Job's a good'un.
ajt

Just thought I'd update, two years on and the arms are still going strong, just passed MOT (one advisory on NS Front Shock, slightly wet?)

martyntdci

good work there dude, quality carnt be that bad then, 2 years and still strong.... mine were totally perished both fronts fitted at new i think, and only  5yrs old.....

dm2004
Just ordered these for mine
gwengo

Thanks for the update on this thread ajt. I am now in the same position. The front wishbone rear bushes have failed due to excessive play. I was going to replace just the bushes, but on closer inspection of the Haynes manual, it recommends that the replacement of bushes should be left to a ford dealer, as they need to be replace to specific settings using special spacers and tools. So I took them back to my motor factors for a refund and got a price for both wishbone arms (£149 plus the VAT). Not a bad price to be fair, but I've just had to fork out for 4 new tyres (£215), A Cambelt change, Service and MOT (£313 after a 25% discount voucher from Halfrauds Autocentre). So understandably I want to keep the remaining parts cost as low as possible.

 

Now, when changing the cam belt, the muppets at Halfrauds realised that they needed a tool to sort the timing out properly which they did not have (why they don't have this tool anyway I do not know), So they waited until 4.15 on a Saturday afternoon to tell me this news, bearing in mind they close at 4.30, so basically they can't do anything about it until Monday, and I'm left with no car, F*$@ing idiots!!!!

 

So I have the task now of sourcing new suspension arms as there is no way that I will give them anymore of my money. They even had the audacity to give me a price of £327, YES £327!!!!! to replace both arms, I just laughed and told them they're joking if I'm gonna pay that.

 

As Im sourcing these parts myself my question is, which balljoint diameter 18 or 21mm? I have a mk2 2005 1.6 petrol Titanium. Does anybody with the same car know which one to get? as I don't have my car to check. Cheers

dm2004
Where are you located?
stef123
For the fact they didn't know they needed a timing tool is a good enough reason not to use them! I'm guessing they can't just plug their code reader in for a cambelt change.. That's a about all they like doing.
artscot79

youre brave i wouldnt let halfords change a bulb mate let alone go near my engine

gwengo

In Redditch, Worcestershire mate, why?

dm2004
Just I have both sets available so could have tried them both
gwengo

The car is still at the garage, mate.

 

@stef123 & artscot79

I know, I would never use Halfrauds or Kwik Fit, but the other garages that I got quotes from were 1) just as expensive as Halfords and 2) unrated, so I didn't have any referrals to go by. Also, my brothers missus, works at Halfords HQ in Redditch and she gave me a 25% off voucher, which did knock a hefty chunk off the bill. 

 

Unfortunately, this is the trouble I'm having more and more often, I just cannot find a good garage in my local area. I've had so many incidents happen with my cars with garages, one place lost the centre cap on one of my wheels on my astra and denied it, another garage didn't tighten my wheel nuts up properly after they changed tyres. Luckily I noticed before I hit the motorway, Another garage changed the clutch and dmd on my mk1 focus and it's never been right since, I keep having to push it to the right when I take it out of 5th gear!! and those instances are to name but a few. It's put me right off, and if there is anything at all that I can do myself, I will (with the very limited range of tools I have). Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to start with a cam belt change as I don't have the equipment, though I would LOVE a hydraulic lift in my garage  :D. OOOh how I envy you Edd China!!!!!

Nighthawk
In Redditch? Where about? I grew up in Redditch and still got family there.

Sent from my HUAWEI Ascend P2 using Ford OC mobile app
gwengo

@Nighthawk

I live in Winyates East mate. Don't suppose you know any good garages in the area ;).

 

Is it easy enough to measure the balljoint? I need to order the suspension arms, and I've just rang up Halfrauds to get the measurements and they said that they can't give me the measurements without removing the old arm??? Is this correct?? Can't I just go there and measure the balljoint?

 

oh god, I wish I never bothered taking it there in the first place. What a bunch of monkeys!!!!

dm2004
You need to undo the 21mm bolt on the ball joint and then try and get the ball joint away thread out of the hole, maby a good wack with a hammer if you don't have a ball joint tool, then you need to measure the biggest part of the taper and you need it to measure 18mm or 21mm
dm2004
If you can't get it out, loosen the other bolts that hold the arm in place, 18 mm and two 15mm bolts

Loosen them off and then wack the ball joint out of the hole.
gwengo

Cheers dm2004, I've ordered the parts now so thats my job for this Friday. Its a bloody good job we have a bank holiday weekend coming up!! In case anyone has to do this job and has the same car as me (2005 mk2 1.6 Titanium Focus) then the ball joint size they need is an 18mm not the 22mm ;)



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