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jdm_man
I am thinking of buying a diesel car and i was quite interested in the focus. but is the 1.6 tdci engine a good engine or is it slugish and really under powered? is there much of a difference in the 1.8tdci. all comments welcome!!!! ;)
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]If you are thinking of getting a diesel, make sure you do enough motorway miles to look after the DPF. Lots of posts on the subject, do the research first before deciding. :mellow: [/font][/size][/color]
Stoney871
I agree with Stormin.
If you do decide on a diesel then the 1.8 is a better choice in my personal view.
It's bombproof.
mitch84
I have a 1.6tdci here , its a fine car , very punchy , dont expect to zoom away from traffic lights as its a diesel but its great on the motorways and has plenty for overtaking!

Mine also has the DPF , no problems here , still think this is not as big a problem as the internet would make you believe. they can get problems but so can a lot of other things on cars.
jg321
Owned a 1.6 TDCi for almost a year now. 1.8 TDCi didn't make sense IMO, only 5 extra horsepower, and from what I read the 1.6 is a newer generation of engine. Plus the insanely low tax on the 1.6.

Defo read up on the DPF, and it's drawbacks, although of course not all 1.6 TDCi engines have a DPF. As mentioned in another post, I'm set to do just shy of 10,000 miles in my first year, with many short journeys, and I've not had any issues so far, although it does go on the motorway often.

Edit: Forgot to say, it's plenty quick for me, although I did comefrom a 1.2 16v Corsa! Can feel a bit sluggish around town compared to my other half's 1.2 Polo, but on the motorway it's a pleasure.
Lenny
I have a 1.6tdci almost two years now, ive had it since new and it has never let me down its a 90bhp model top speed limited to 175kmh which is fast enough for me and the tourque is brilliant,
but if i was buying again id purchase the 1.8TDCi because it doesnt have a DPF as far as i am aware and its a ford engine instead of a citroen/Peugeot engine's that is the 1.6 and the 2.0 engines,
very economical though getting 890km on a 55ltr tank of juice and easy to modify if you that way enclined too.
Mike77
I've been looking for a focus for a while now, and very nearly plumped for the 1.6 tdci, I'm sure many people have these without problems but I'm glad I did my homework before putting down a deposit..... It's very well documented that there is a serious problem with the turbos on the 1.6 tdci, which is a very expensive fix, something to do with the oil scorching inside the engine due to an injector fault, then this oil harden's and blocks oil feed pipes thus starving the turbo of oil.... Then the wallet becomes a hell of alot lighter !!! From what I've read, this problem seems to have been fixed from 08 models onwards. Then there is the DPF,, if this does go wrong then its the same story, very expensive. And as for 'cheap tax' it only costs 20 a year more to tax the 1.8 tdci, which also has NO DPF fitted, and one of the most proven engines to come out of Ford.
This is a personal opinion, and in no way meant to offend anyone but my choice would be the 1.8, even the reviews I've read all seem to lean towards this being the best of the bunch. Do some homework before taking the plunge, it could prove very useful.
NorthSussex
[quote name='Mike77' timestamp='1334692404' post='178187']
I've been looking for a focus for a while now, and very nearly plumped for the 1.6 tdci, I'm sure many people have these without problems but I'm glad I did my homework before putting down a deposit..... It's very well documented that there is a serious problem with the turbos on the 1.6 tdci, which is a very expensive fix, something to do with the oil scorching inside the engine due to an injector fault, then this oil harden's and blocks oil feed pipes thus starving the turbo of oil.... Then the wallet becomes a hell of alot lighter !!! From what I've read, this problem seems to have been fixed from 08 models onwards. Then there is the DPF,, if this does go wrong then its the same story, very expensive. And as for 'cheap tax' it only costs £20 a year more to tax the 1.8 tdci, which also has NO DPF fitted, and one of the most proven engines to come out of Ford.
This is a personal opinion, and in no way meant to offend anyone but my choice would be the 1.8, even the reviews I've read all seem to lean towards this being the best of the bunch. Do some homework before taking the plunge, it could prove very useful.
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Good advice, Ill second that.[/font][/size][/color]
jg321
[quote name='Mike77' timestamp='1334692404' post='178187']And as for 'cheap tax' it only costs £20 a year more to tax the 1.8 tdci[/quote]

The next tax band up from 'C', which is £30 is 'D' which is £100. Am I missing something here?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
ChrisH
The 1.8tdci engine is noted for being bombproof, and all mechanics I have spoken to say its far and away the easiest of the ford diesels to work on. It may only be 8v rather than 16v, but it pulls well, and have the power when its needed. its based on a tried and tested ford design. Not dissin the 1.6, just personal opinion of owning one. If you do motorway miles, the ecomony is excellent, I get around 60ish MPG from mine. Also it has NO DPF :) :) .
Road tax is £120, as its in Band E, the 1.6 is £100 in band D
Mike77
[quote name='ChrisH' timestamp='1334694624' post='178203']
Road tax is £120, as its in Band E, the 1.6 is £100 in band D
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According to the spec info on the auto trader, the 1.6 tdci is a tax band 'D' which is £100, and a 1.8 tdci is a tax band 'E' which is £120. And both 1.6tdci's ive looked at were £100 to tax,,,, (well they were actually £90) but that was just before good old Mr Osbourne had his little budget !!!


Ps, sorry Chris, I didn't notice your post before I submitted mine :blink:
mitch84
[quote name='Lenny' timestamp='1334691700' post='178180']
I have a 1.6tdci almost two years now, ive had it since new and it has never let me down its a 90bhp model top speed limited to 175kmh which is fast enough for me and the tourque is brilliant,
but if i was buying again id purchase the 1.8TDCi because it doesnt have a DPF as far as i am aware and its a ford engine instead of a citroen/Peugeot engine's that is the 1.6 and the 2.0 engines,
very economical though getting 890km on a 55ltr tank of juice and easy to modify if you that way enclined too.
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Hi Lenny

How can I tell where my 1.6tdci was built as its seems its a joint venture between Fords and Citreoen/Peugeot and that Ford's Dagenham Engine plant also make a lot of the engines there?

cheers
Mike77
Mitch, as far as I am aware as stated earlier in this post the engines in the 1.6 & 2.0ltr models are mainly french made, ie Citreoen/Peugeot, with ford buying the engines they need and adding their own bits to them. Pretty much the same was as with the x-type jag, that is a mondeo engine with some jag internals just so they can say its their own....... Alot of manufacturers do it..... if you were to own a focus ST, the engine fitted in that would be lifted from a VOLVO, etc etc, the list goes on and on lol.
NorthSussex
[quote name='Mike77' timestamp='1334699997' post='178224']
Mitch, as far as I am aware as stated earlier in this post the engines in the 1.6 & 2.0ltr models are mainly french made, ie Citreoen/Peugeot, with ford buying the engines they need and adding their own bits to them. Pretty much the same was as with the x-type jag, that is a mondeo engine with some jag internals just so they can say its their own....... Alot of manufacturers do it..... if you were to own a focus ST, the engine fitted in that would be lifted from a VOLVO, etc etc, the list goes on and on lol.
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]One to add to that list, the 1.8 petrol, it is a "Mazda MZR" designed engine, built by Ford in their Spanish engine plant, this engine is also fitted in the Mazda MX5 and Mazda 3 cars. :blink: [/font][/size][/color]
Lenny
[quote name='mitch84' timestamp='1334699152' post='178220']
Hi Lenny

How can I tell where my 1.6tdci was built as its seems its a joint venture between Fords and Citreoen/Peugeot and that Ford's Dagenham Engine plant also make a lot of the engines there?

cheers
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im not sure how you would find that info mate,
perhaps ford etis may give some further model specific info regarding your indivdual model
[url="http://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do"]http://www.etis.ford.com/vehicleRegSelector.do[/url]

just put in your reg and it will tell you the build date etc.
but in general ford use the same 1.6tdci and 2.0tdci engines as citroen/peugeot to all walk togeather in the line of low emissions,
less competition and everyone is a winner when it comes to the figures.
Stoney871
I made sure i checked around and got my facts straight before buying my 1.8.
No DPF, No DMF, No self destructing turbo due to oil starvation., easy to work on and reliable.
Yes it is true that the engine is an old style 8 valve but as mentioned, it is the only fully Ford engine in the whole range and has proven itself to be robust and reliable.
Our vehicle buyers are even changing over the fleet from 2.0 to the 1.8 due to rising costs of servicing and maintenance.
The mechanics at my unit deal with some 40 - 50 cars, (primarily Focus but a couple of unmarked Fiesta and Mondeo and other specialist vehicles thrown in for fun) they much prefer the 1.8 and gave me excellent advice before i dug my money out from under the mattress.
I kept putting in requests for a ST as a work car but was told as soon as they produce an estate one i would be at the front of the list... [b][u]Hint Hint Ford??? ;)[/u][/b]
I guess until then i'll have to put up with a 2.0. <_<
Pitmonster
I have a 2006/56 1.8 TDCi, and over the weekend I got my car tax renewal notice from the DVLA

6 months - 63.25
12 month - 115.00

I don't know the tax figures for the 1.6 TDCi, but I believe there are two versions (90 bhp and 110 bhp)
jg321
Road tax depends on the year also. I can tell you for a fact that the 110 1.6 TDCi 2008/58 is £30 a year.
mitch84
yep 1.6tdci 110, £30 tax here


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