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Wickwick10_1
Drive the new Eco Boost Focus today and impressed ! Very tempted to chop in my Titanium for one !
Lenny
[quote name='Wickwick10_1' timestamp='1337446749' post='183380']
Drive the new Eco Boost Focus today and impressed ! Very tempted to chop in my Titanium for one !
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im shocked to see your considering trading mate, it must have been good
was their much noise from the engine when driving and is air conditioning available on the eco boost model ?
and what was the acceleration like and the mpg what do they reckon it will do?
Wickwick10_1
Miles to the gallon better than my 1.6 petrol and also it's the same bhp at 125 ! Slightly more torque on pull off and well impressed !!!!!!
Lenny
[quote name='Wickwick10_1' timestamp='1337449538' post='183384']
Miles to the gallon better than my 1.6 petrol and also it's the same bhp at 125 ! Slightly more torque on pull off and well impressed !!!!!!
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thats excellent mate and best of all no DPF
ford could probably fit the spare wheel next to the engine too and save more luggage space lol
Wickwick10_1
Suggest any doubters tho go test this car as I was a doubter but ford nailed this !
CashMoney
[quote name='Wickwick10_1' timestamp='1337452473' post='183387']
Suggest any doubters tho go test this car as I was a doubter but ford nailed this !
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I couldn't agree more. Just picked up my 1.0 125 Estate today, which I ordered sort of blind (mix up during initial order, was originally a 1.6 125 petrol, then had to reorder due to Ford no longer supplying that engine for manual cars and no demo car available) and despite folks saying the 1.0 was a great engine I was a little worried I'd made a bad choice.

It's very very quiet, which ironically has been a slight issue as I'm used to knowing when to change gear by the engine noise and now have to use the rev counter. Also had complaints on the dash I'm in the wrong gear a couple of times because it's happy to cruise at 40mph in 3rd gear and I've been driving thinking I put it in 5th with no engine note to tell me otherwise. I've not had a proper test as yet but flat open motorway, 15 mile journey, current avg mpg at 60-65mph was showing 50 at lowest, 80 tops so probably around 60 ish mpg at those speeds. Little change at 70mph although I need to test at that speed further to be sure.

I also couldn't resist putting my foot down, even tho I had only 40 miles on the clock, and it really does fly. You really do have to remind yourself it's only a little 1L 3 cylinder engine, because the performance is just indicative of a much larger engine. The engine/exhaust note is nice too when you floor it, with it sounding a lot like a nice meaty lump under the bonnet.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a 1.6 Ecoboost; that's obviously a higher performing engine. But there is a marked difference well over the old 99bhp 1.6 duratec and over the original 125 1.6 it replaces; especially noticeable on the motorway when you go to overtake. Was at 60, pulled out in 5th gear and you can still feel the torque as it quickly increases to 70. In 6th gear it lacks torque but for eating through the miles it should be good on the mpg.

Around town it's just as lively, although I have found I've needed to give it a few more revs than I expected to get it off the line as it were. Once it's started moving though, it pulls cleanly from low revs and feels nice and torquey as you get past the 2200rpm mark. The start-stop works well too.

Anyone looking at a MK3 Focus needs to take one of these for a test drive, and take it on the motorway if possible, because it really is suprisingly good.
NorthSussex
[quote name='CashMoney' timestamp='1337467797' post='183441']
I couldn't agree more. Just picked up my 1.0 125 Estate today, which I ordered sort of blind (mix up during initial order, was originally a 1.6 125 petrol, then had to reorder due to Ford no longer supplying that engine for manual cars and no demo car available) and despite folks saying the 1.0 was a great engine I was a little worried I'd made a bad choice.

It's very very quiet, which ironically has been a slight issue as I'm used to knowing when to change gear by the engine noise and now have to use the rev counter. Also had complaints on the dash I'm in the wrong gear a couple of times because it's happy to cruise at 40mph in 3rd gear and I've been driving thinking I put it in 5th with no engine note to tell me otherwise. I've not had a proper test as yet but flat open motorway, 15 mile journey, current avg mpg at 60-65mph was showing 50 at lowest, 80 tops so probably around 60 ish mpg at those speeds. Little change at 70mph although I need to test at that speed further to be sure.

I also couldn't resist putting my foot down, even tho I had only 40 miles on the clock, and it really does fly. You really do have to remind yourself it's only a little 1L 3 cylinder engine, because the performance is just indicative of a much larger engine. The engine/exhaust note is nice too when you floor it, with it sounding a lot like a nice meaty lump under the bonnet.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a 1.6 Ecoboost; that's obviously a higher performing engine. But there is a marked difference well over the old 99bhp 1.6 duratec and over the original 125 1.6 it replaces; especially noticeable on the motorway when you go to overtake. Was at 60, pulled out in 5th gear and you can still feel the torque as it quickly increases to 70. In 6th gear it lacks torque but for eating through the miles it should be good on the mpg.

Around town it's just as lively, although I have found I've needed to give it a few more revs than I expected to get it off the line as it were. Once it's started moving though, it pulls cleanly from low revs and feels nice and torquey as you get past the 2200rpm mark. The start-stop works well too.

Anyone looking at a MK3 Focus needs to take one of these for a test drive, and take it on the motorway if possible, because it really is suprisingly good.
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Recently Ford have been a bit mean and stopped fitting alarms to some models, have Ford fitted a full Thatcham Category 1 alarm to the car you have bought?[/font][/size][/color]
CashMoney
ndsussex: I believe so, but I will check/test and make sure and report back later today.

I do know that when I turn the engine off, the trip display does put up a binary choice option for an interior scan on-off. This if I recall from the manual is the "Ask on Exit" function of the alarm; you can set the alarm to Reduced Guard if you have dogs/kids/moving objects in the car and it will reset back to full gaurd the next time you arm the system.
Stoney871
Yep, that will be cat 1
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It's good to hear that Ford are doing the right thing at last![/font][/size][/color]
Wickwick10_1
[quote name='ndsussex' timestamp='1337469214' post='183450']


[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Recently Ford have been a bit mean and stopped fitting alarms to some models, have Ford fitted a full Thatcham Category 1 alarm to the car you have bought?[/font][/size][/color]
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Ford have stopped fitting alarms on the 1.0ltr to keep the weight down but imoboliser yes !
NorthSussex
[quote name='Wickwick10_1' timestamp='1337515944' post='183500']
Ford have stopped fitting alarms on the 1.0ltr to keep the weight down but imoboliser yes !
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[color=#0000FF][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I don't think an alarm can't make a significant weight difference, it's more likely to be cost cutting. Eating one less pie would do more good. :D[/font][/size][/color][color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] [/font][/size][/color]
Wickwick10_1
Don't even kno if mine has alarm fitted ? The alarms never on my list of musts when I buy car - now the stereo system is ! Lol
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It should be! the car is worth more than the stereo and the stereo is also protected by the alarm, and if the car gets stolen say goodbye to the stereo as well. :wacko: [/font][/size][/color]
Wickwick10_1
True but mate its only a car to me - a decent head unit / good exterior looks and I am easily pleased but very bored already of mine soon the look out .....
NorthSussex
[quote name='Wickwick10_1' timestamp='1337531789' post='183529']
True but mate its only a car to me - a decent head unit / good exterior looks and I am easily pleased but very bored already of mine soon the look out .....
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Hey, each to there own, but I take a very dim view of some toe-rag taking my property or anybody else's, I stamp down very hard on that type of activity. :angry: [/font][/size][/color]

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Keep us posted on your choice of a new motor.[/font][/size][/color]
Wickwick10_1
I have to say Focus theft very low and if nothing's on show no need to break in , I never worry about theft to be honest as bloody secure cars ! As for new one I don't know ...... I had a new a fiesta Zetec S before this and loved it !
[IMG]http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/wickwick10_1/bcfeb198.jpg[/IMG]
Kept it 2 years and this one is 8 months old and already very bored ! Lol
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cuke
Hi, very nice and of course it will have a Cat 1 alarm as all the models from the Edge upwards have them, only the Studio doesn't have one. See here [url="http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Focus/Featuresandspecifications"]http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Focus/Featuresandspecifications[/url]
Chris
tomo2001
[quote name='CashMoney' timestamp='1337508509' post='183486']
ndsussex: I believe so, but I will check/test and make sure and report back later today.

I do know that when I turn the engine off, the trip display does put up a binary choice option for an interior scan on-off. This if I recall from the manual is the "Ask on Exit" function of the alarm; you can set the alarm to Reduced Guard if you have dogs/kids/moving objects in the car and it will reset back to full gaurd the next time you arm the system.
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did you know you can disable this pop up in the vehicle settings ? :)
CashMoney
[quote name='tomo2001' timestamp='1337542415' post='183574']
did you know you can disable this pop up in the vehicle settings ? :)
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I didn't until now (thank you!) so I shall take a look at the manual again in a bit! Speaking of, I just found Ecomode in the trip display in the manual last night and took a look at it. Looks like my gearing needs some work (I need to start looking at the rev counter more ... ) but my anticipation is spot on; all 5 petals lit. As for speed ... yeah, every now and then I'm pulling out of a junction and it's completely clear and it's a 40mph limit and I just have to remind myself how good the acceleration of the 1.0 actually is. Only 3 petals ;) New game to play now, see if I can get all 3 fully lit.
NorthSussex
[quote name='CashMoney' timestamp='1337596504' post='183633']
I didn't until now (thank you!) so I shall take a look at the manual again in a bit! Speaking of, I just found Ecomode in the trip display in the manual last night and took a look at it. Looks like my gearing needs some work (I need to start looking at the rev counter more ... ) but my anticipation is spot on; all 5 petals lit. As for speed ... yeah, every now and then I'm pulling out of a junction and it's completely clear and it's a 40mph limit and I just have to remind myself how good the acceleration of the 1.0 actually is. Only 3 petals ;) New game to play now, see if I can get all 3 fully lit.
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Don't forget to keep your eyes on the road and less on the petals.[/font][/size][/color] <_<
catch
Yes it sounds just the right motor for my driving requirements, being low annual mileage and the like. After reading trade reviews I earmarked it for my next change of car, after putting the 125bhp variant and the latest 1.6 TDCi through my running cost analysis spread sheet. It compares Road Tax, and fuel savings with my current mileage, using my current Mk2 1.6 99bhp petrol variant as the Bench Mark.

Savings:

Mk3 1.0 Ecoboost... £335 saving [my choice]
Mk3 1.6 TDCi .........£449

That's on 4k annual mileage, so you can see how the newer variants have massive running cost savings over the older Mk2 engines. Doing 12k a year you'd save a grand a year even if you stuck with a petrol varaint.

Chris, whilst we are on the subject, how has your dalliance with the 1.6 Ecoboost panned out? Did I read somewhere that your minded to go back to a Mondi on your next change.................is it a more space issue or something else?

Oh and how did your meeting regards your employment go? All well I hope.

Catch
jeebowhite
Wish I could afford a new motor, would be strongly tempted by the sounds of things, however I have to ask this...

How can a 1 litre car, be that fuel efficient? what sort of gearbox have you got in it, and what sort of revs are you doing at around 70-80 mph? is it a 6/7 speed to make it that efficient?

How do they get away without fitting a DPF to it though? I thought that the eurocack still had to be on all diesels?
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]My concern would be the reliability a few years down the line, is a 1ltr engine in a car the size of a focus being put under a lot of strain, is it going to do 100k+ miles? Only time will tell. :wacko: [/font][/size][/color]
CashMoney
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1337610691' post='183656']How can a 1 litre car, be that fuel efficient? what sort of gearbox have you got in it, and what sort of revs are you doing at around 70-80 mph? is it a 6/7 speed to make it that efficient?[/quote]

The 125bhp (there is a 105bhp with a 5 speed box) has a 6 speed gearbox. As for revs, in 6th I believe they were quite low, tho I don't actually recall even ballpark figures; I wasn't paying attention. Next time I get a chance to run at that speed I'll let you know. My previous MK2.5 1.6 99BHP wasn't so good (for me) around town when it came to mpg, and the miles-left-in-the-tank indicator was always very wrong (tank would say 140 miles, I'd get 100 if I was lucky). So far, this 1L has been almost spot on. 93 Miles on the trip, 92 miles used from the miles-left-in-tank figure. The majority of the driving has been local, no more than 4-6 miles trips; still not quite got 3 figures on the clock yet.

[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1337610691' post='183656']How do they get away without fitting a DPF to it though? I thought that the eurocack still had to be on all diesels?[/quote]

Not a diesel engine, it's petrol :)

ndsussex: good question. Keep in mind that it's very early days for me, I've done maybe 25 miles of motorway and about 70 odd around town, and so far I've never once "felt" the engine was under any sort of stress, even with a full compliment of passengers. I've no reason to load the boot of the car often myself (I only got the estate version because I felt the boot on a standard mk3 focus was too small for my family needs) but currently at least I don't feel worried about putting weight in the car if I had to.
cuke
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1337598156' post='183638']
Chris, whilst we are on the subject, how has your dalliance with the 1.6 Ecoboost panned out? Did I read somewhere that your minded to go back to a Mondi on your next change.................is it a more space issue or something else?

Oh and how did your meeting regards your employment go? All well I hope.

Catch
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Hi, the 1.6 ecoboost is just getting better and better and now I am returning 38mpg around town, and with Superchips doing a Bluefin at £365 I am very tempted to go for it. No its not about space but when it comes to replacing the Focus in three years they'll be loads of 'em on the road. So if I go for the Mk5 Mondeo then it would be less common. Guess I'm a bit of a snob :)
My meeting went beyond expectations and now I can return to work on a phased return :D Thank you for asking...
Chris
catch
Glad to hear it Chris :)

As for you Jeeb, all I'm going to say is ..................pay attention at the back please :P
tomo2001
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1337610691' post='183656']
Wish I could afford a new motor, would be strongly tempted by the sounds of things, however I have to ask this...

How can a 1 litre car, be that fuel efficient? what sort of gearbox have you got in it, and what sort of revs are you doing at around 70-80 mph? is it a 6/7 speed to make it that efficient?

How do they get away without fitting a DPF to it though? I thought that the eurocack still had to be on all diesels?
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The 1.0 Ecoboost is a Petrol !!
jimrex
I was really sceptical about the 1.0 in the Focus but by the sounds of things, it's as lively as you'd expect from any Ford! I drive past a Ford dealer everyday to and from work and am very tempted to go and drive one... if it's as good as mentioned above, I may wish that I'd held on before going for the diesel. I hadn't really considered reliability but then, the diesels are known for having DPF issues anyway so I guess it all depends on what you want from a car, how you drive it and how long you'll be keeping it.
CashMoney
[quote name='jimrex' timestamp='1337713546' post='183862']I was really sceptical about the 1.0 in the Focus but by the sounds of things, it's as lively as you'd expect from any Ford! I drive past a Ford dealer everyday to and from work and am very tempted to go and drive one...[/quote]

Do it. I too was very skeptical, even with the good reports from reviewers, but let's face it; more often than not, a review doesn't reflect the real world opinions all that often. I will admit it was the reviews that swayed me to take the chance and order it blind, but I sat here for an entire month thinking on and off that maybe I'd made a mistake. By the time it arrived I'd convinced myself that as long as it was better for MPG than the 99bhp 1.6 I had previously and was comparable in performance I would be ok with it. If it equaled the 1.6 125bhp I test drove and ordered originally, I'd be very happy. As it turns out the reviewers were right and it's much much better then both of those engines. I'm over the moon with it, it's a lot lot more than I expected and hoped for.

I mean let's face it, turbo or not, 1.0 makes you think of old Fiesta's from the 80's/90's that were the staple of many a first time driver, and cars have gotten way heavier/bigger since then with all the new safety features/guidelines, especially the Focus. Drop a cylinder as well and were talking Toyota Aygo's with there 15sec 0-60 in a tiny little town car. But it works, this little 1.0 3 cylinder is really really good. I've yet to feel it struggle at all. I need to do more miles before I can definitively state what sort of MPG I'm getting but around town I used to get 28-32mpg from my 99bhp 1.6 Focus Hatchback. So far I'm getting about 40-42 around town which I'm very happy with. And it's so nice to be able to put my foot down when I need to. I'm no longer sitting at uphill junctions even though there is a large gap in the traffic, or getting stuck behind someone doing 25-30 in a 40 zone with a long line of traffic behind me for fear I won't make it past them even though oncoming traffic is far into the distance. I forget what Ford state the 0-60 time is for this 1.0 125 Focus, something like 11 seconds? I've no doubt of that. 70 in 6th gear isn't even 3000 rpm, it just glides silently down the motorway. I can't wait to take it on a proper long run.
jeebowhite
lol, sorry 'teach' its all talk about girls, drunk and rock 'n' roll gadgets back here!!

I wonder how long it will be before they release a 1.0 diesel variant though, I wonder if its even possible :P lol
cuke
Hi, very doubful as I think there is a general move away from diesels because of the expense to run...
Chris
NorthSussex
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1337867374' post='184058']
lol, sorry 'teach' its all talk about girls, drunk and rock 'n' roll gadgets back here!!

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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]You need to lay off the wacky-backy, all that talk about Rock 'n' Roll. and Girls. :D [/font][/size][/color]
tomo2001
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1337867374' post='184058']
lol, sorry 'teach' its all talk about girls, drunk and rock 'n' roll gadgets back here!!

I wonder how long it will be before they release a 1.0 diesel variant though, I wonder if its even possible :P lol
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Being a Kia man yourself, have you any experience of the 1.1 diesel Rio that's supposed to do 88mpg ?? Smaller engined diesels are already out there..................................
james_60
or even go faster than 88mph

Jamie
cuke
[quote name='james_60' timestamp='1337880263' post='184089']
or even go faster than 88mph

Jamie
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LOL, downhill with a strong tailwind, but then I'd be concerned that something would fall off...
Chris
NorthSussex
[color=#0000FF][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]If you look at the Kia Ceed, it rivals the Focus in performance and spec, it retails at a lower price and also has a 7 year warranty; I wouldn't knock it, on the other hand I am not yet ready to desert Ford. :)[/font][/size][/color][color=#0000FF][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] [/font][/size][/color]
catch
right on all points Stormin,

Just when I was considering looking at another motor other than the Ford Focus [ by that I mean actually test driving the newer Ceed next time around ] They Ford pull the 1.0 Ecoboost out of the bag. So now I'm just waiting for the two year real world evaluation to be done , and the price to halve in relation to the list price :rolleyes:

I'm astounded by some of these young guns who apparently are prepared to change their new motors as often as I change my underpants :D

The list price [even reduced by any promo discounts] compared to [url="http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/prices/used/ford/focus/hatchback-2011/50252/?yearplate=95"]PX values[/url] at trade in make the latent accountant in me......................... eyes bleed :blink:
jeebowhite
lol, well I know that the 1.1 on the Rio is a good little efficient engine, but it lacks power and personality, so I wouldnt have bought it. I just think that a 1.0 litre diesel engine without DPF would never be thought about by Ford,l but if you can get diesel performance out of a tiny petrol, then whats the point in thinking diesel?

As for the wacky backy... I seem to be high on stress at the moment... lol

Being a Kia man, I am over the moon with my Cee'd, however, I am looking at the possibility of needing to upsize a little, and may end up moving to the SW version, dont think I will be getting a new Cee'd anytime soon, but between the Cee'd and the new Focus, I am torn! for the first time in a long time, the sight of the new Focus and the comments have made me wonder if perhaps Ford may have ruled out all the problems that have lived from MK1 to MK2.5, and if they had, I think I would happily return to Ford. But I cant help but think Ford is still a poorly trained pooch, it doesnt matter how many times you clean up after it, and no matter how often you try to teach it, it still seems to poop all over the carpet... and years later, your still pooper scoopin your persian rugs... I just dont know if Ford have been fully house trained, only time will tell with MK3 Foci, and I look forward to being proven wrong.

I still think that the Cee'd is a good little motor, its a shame that its market price has soared compared to my Mk1.5 but I think the new one has a LOT to offer, even with a good engine though, they havent been able to pull out a 1.0 turbo petrol, but then again, I look forward to its arrival to see what they really have done with it.

Part of me dismay's though, I think Kia have jumped far too quickly up the ladder, and have started charging top level prices, and wonder if they are punching above there weight, but hey... lets see what the future holds! lol


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