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dodgy-alan
Many years ago I once had the pleasure of pulling a Panda car over for speeding! I had been going through Hounslow West at a tad over the speed limit in my Marina TC when a local plods pulled me at the traffic lights. He told me to pull in across the lights which I duly did and he then came to the car an gave me a stern talking to about the errors of speeding. I was suitably apologetic and we left it at that. He went back to his car and shot off like a scalded cat ! I followed him and at 40MPH he was still pulling away, (the limit was and still is 30 in the town centre), Well at that time I had a CB Radio in my car and part of it's kit was synthesiser siren with about 30 different modulations on it, At the time the Police were still using the familiar two tone siren so I switched mine to the now widely used American police style and gave him aquick burst while flashing my headlights. The effect was extroardinary, he braked sharply and pulled to the side of the road. I pulled in behind him and this time I walked up to HIS car. He looked up at me somewhat bemused as I asked him what speed he was doing as I thought my speedo must be faulty! He asked why I thought that so I said that mine was showing 30MPH but I couldnt keep up with him ! I couldnt see any blue lights flashing so I KNEW he wasnt on an emergency and of course being a POLICE officer he would NEVER break the speed limit! Would he? His face was a picture, His reply was sort of ,Oh err, yes well, umm, Ok Fair enough, He then grinned and asked where I'd got the siren from and we got onto talking about CB Radios which had just been legalised ! I didnt mention that the synthesiser could also EXACTLY replicate the UK police sirens as well as the American ones! He finally said "Well we have both learned something today havent we? " After that whenever we saw each other on the road we'd pass with a cheery wave and a flash of headlights! Over time we became good freinds but we lost touch when he was posted to another district of London. I often wondered what happened to him.
Andy 1965
Ahhh,yes...Lager! Unfortunately, there are a lot of Vauxhall (spit) owners in my area and their tipple of choice is 'Buckfast tonic wine and a 'single skinner'! (whatever that is!) :lol: I am sure that this cocktail of substances has jaded their view of what is a good or not so good motor.
Stoney871
Ah Buckfast., lovely stuff.
I was on a training course on my 18th birthday and we had some Scottish lads there.
I got severely refreshed on Buckfast and missed two days of the course recovering from a 'stomach bug'.
Good ole days. ;)
Andy 1965
Lol. Buckfast is great for cleaning your engine too. You get an extra +10hp from all the caffeine in it! :P
jeebowhite
Nice story alan, that doesnt surprise me, the days of those are long gone now. I have never pulled a policeman for speeding, however I did drive alongside him in the hard shoulder to shout over and tell him about a douche driver ahead, he was speeding up peoples backsides with a whisper of a hairs width between the bumpers, then pulls in, tops 130 then swings out across the lanes, he thanked me for letting him know and radio'd ahead to another unit, but apologised and told me that he was with the van ahead. So you can get away with driving on the hard shoulder, at 70 miles an hour, as long as your talking to a copper and being safe about it :P lol

Stoney, hopefully you were only a few over the posted limit, but not enough to trigger the 10% + 2, we all make mistakes, and I have nearly been caught a few times, but I think this difference has saved my license from being tarnished. Thankfully, 6 years driving and I have no points, and I truely hope that doesnt change :P
NorthSussex
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1343738204' post='197692']
Nice story alan, that doesnt surprise me, the days of those are long gone now. I have never pulled a policeman for speeding, however I did drive alongside him in the hard shoulder to shout over and tell him about a douche driver ahead, he was speeding up peoples backsides with a whisper of a hairs width between the bumpers, then pulls in, tops 130 then swings out across the lanes, he thanked me for letting him know and radio'd ahead to another unit, but apologised and told me that he was with the van ahead. So you can get away with driving on the hard shoulder, at 70 miles an hour, as long as your talking to a copper and being safe about it :P lol

Stoney, hopefully you were only a few over the posted limit, but not enough to[color=#ff0000] trigger the 10% + 2[/color], we all make mistakes, and I have nearly been caught a few times, but I think this difference has saved my license from being tarnished. Thankfully, 6 years driving and I have no points, and I truely hope that doesnt change :P
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Sorry, No + 2 in Sussex, it's just 10% over and a ticket.[/font][/size][/color]
jeebowhite
Not sure about down here, I think its +2, but then again I am sure I went through at 10mph + 2 through one mobile camera site, and I didnt get anything off the back of it (thankfully)
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Back in 1999 I got stopped by an unmarked traffic car on the M23 at 1.30 am, I was clocked at 114 mph; after an appearance at the local magistrates court I was given a 4 week ban and a £90 fine, I think I got off lightly, increased insurance premiums for the next 5 years hurt a lot; that and my present job has now reformed me from being a pratt into a law abiding citizen and sticking to all the speed limits, unfortunately this now annoys most of the other drivers who follow me, I sometimes wish I drove a traffic car to stop the hooligans overtaking me and vastly exceeding the limit, but that,s a job for my colleagues. [/font][/size][/color] <_<

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]For those interested in the accuracy of your spedo, my spedo reading was 123 mph when clocked accurately at 114 mph.[/font][/size][/color]
jeebowhite
Radar can and often will (above 70) return a rough but not perfectly accurate response depending on the surroundings, for example, anything less than an arrow straight road will cause a slight dip in speed recording due to the angle that it hits the number plate, so 123 might be more than 114, but depending on the conditions, you might have been spared further! Its not guaranteed, so dont go trusting that as gospel but its a possibility!

I only ever hit that speed when there is something mega urgent, and it might be no defence in court, but to me its important, and I know if I get caught and done, it will be entirely my own fault.

It doesnt happen often thankfully!!!
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Spedo's always read fast, usually by about 10% so providing you use your spedo to keep to the limit you won't get a ticket. My spedo reading 123 mph -10% = 111 mph which is not far off my 114 mph clocked speed, I must admit I did some daft things in my younger days and hopefully I have learnt from my mistakes, it's all part of growing up.[/font][/size][/color] :blink:
JTill
driving through my village one night about 1am coming back from my girlfriends house I pulled onto my drive and got out of the car, as I walked the short distance to my front door I noticed 2 police men walking up my drive towards me. They questioned me about where I had been, what I had been doing and asked to prove my address was indeed the house I was about to put the key in to the door to. They said they were "just checking up" scared the hell out of me I was only 18 at the time!
They weren't exactly the nicest of guys either. Crap attitude as usual. Silly police!
TDCiST
[quote name='JTill' timestamp='1357143294' post='223962']
Crap attitude as usual. Stupid police!
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That attitude certainly won;t help the situation either fella... There are good and bad in every job unfortunately...
NorthSussex
[size=5][color=#0000FF][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Think again, if you weren't who you said you were they may have prevented your house being burgled, or did you just look dodgy? Show some gratitude.[/font][/color][/size] <_<
Stoney871
Please don't call Police stupid.
They're not stupid, just a bit thick at times. :P
You've just had three Officers reply to your message :D
TDCiST
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357145665' post='223974']
You've just had three Officers reply to your message :D
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Tee Hee Hee!!
Stoney871
Evening all ;)
jeebowhite
Just to fight the corner of the copper's...

I have to say I was bloody lucky over the Christmas period, on Christmas eve I was in 'quite a rush' to get somewhere, and to be fair, I don't think saying 'a bit' over the limit would suffice to cover the speed I was doing... needless to say the 35% or whatever it is that they have tolerance was obliterated. (possibly closer to stormin's clocked speed :blink:) Mainly empty motorway and then a police car popped up behind me and flashed his blues, thinking that was it and I had lost my license I worriedly pulled into the middle lane, he pulled alongside of me and gave me one hell of a look that said it all. Didn't pull me, but I think that's because of the festive spirit! What probably could have cost me some consequence on my license was fortunately avoided, and a stern lesson was learned that day! I can barely recall exceeding 75 let alone a much higher speed!

So thanks to that officer who didn't do me, and who'se glare (suffice to say) probably did the same equal effective consequence as anything else!

So, you have officers like stoney who threaten to kick you in the plum pouch, but then do apologise afterwards ;) (only jokin, you know I love you really ;) :P) and then you get those who would rather teach you a lesson but without destroying your christmas!
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Sometimes it's just your lucky day, join the reformed speeders club Jeebo; unfortunately you now have to watch out for the tail-gaters as you stick to the speed limits.[/font][/size][/color] :unsure:
btmaldon
[quote name='NorthSussex' timestamp='1357306159' post='224372']
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms, cursive]Sometimes it's just your lucky day, join the reformed speeders club Jeebo; unfortunately you now have to watch out for the tail-gaters as you stick to the speed limits.[/font][/size][/color] :unsure:
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Ive put some blue reflectors on each side of the rear window as I was getting fed up with the number of children racers sniffing my mudflaps. Its amazing how few do it now and how many suddenly decide to drop back because they noticed something different in the back window.
TDCiST
[quote name='btmaldon' timestamp='1357307640' post='224373']
Ive put some blue reflectors on each side of the rear window
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If i remember correctly, you may want to be careful... Blue Reflectors/Reflective Vinyl are classed as "Lighting" under the Vehicle Lighting Regs, and therefore you could be done for using Blue Lights on a Vehicle... The only thing you may get away with is because it is a steady light not flashing... but i'm not sure...

EDIT: Found the link...

[b]Summary of Lighting Rules[url=""][/url][/b][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
In the regulations, lights, [b]reflectors and reflective material[/b] are all classed as lights on cars (this means that the public cannot have blue reflective graphics for example).[/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
Any colour light is OK to be on a vehicle if it is covered up or not connected up (excluding blue).[/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
Only emergency vehicles can be fitted with a blue flashing light, or anything that looks like a blue flashing light, whether working or not.[/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
Some of the rules do not apply if the vehicle has just been imported or is about to be exported, or if it is a visiting foreign vehicle.[/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
You can’t have a red light showing at the front except:[/background][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]
a red and white chequered light on a fire service control vehicle
[*]
a side marker
[*]
a reflector on the wheel of a cycle, motorbike or invalid carriage
[*]
a traffic sign attached to the vehicle
[/list][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
You can only have a steady white light to the front and a steady red light showing to the rear of your vehicle. The exceptions to this are:[/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#555555][font=Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]
BLUE[/background][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*]flashing from an emergency vehicle
[*]flashing or constant from a police vehicle
[/list]
jeebowhite
Yeah, I'm joining up to the reformed, I have learned my lesson the hard way, goes to show kids, dont get too complacent with "oh, it will never happen to me...!"

as for the blue reflectors, its a shame that we cant have them, its a good idea in theory, but as its not quite law abiding... I suppose a teal green and a red reflector might be the exclusion to the rule... if its not blue, its not covered by that particular clause :P
TDCiST
Officer: "Is that a blue reflective sticker sir?"

Jeebo "No, Its Teal Green!!"

I can see the argument now lol!!
Stoney871
Lol.
Anyway none of us are totally innocent.
I had my excess speed brush a few months back and learned a lot.
TDCiST
Indeed stoney!

When I had the call about my brother in law being critical, there were moments of hurrying on the way to addenbrookes..
Stoney871
As long as we learn our lessons.
My excuse (no excuse really) is that I'm so used to driving pretty quickly for work it's easy to forget I'm off duty and get carried away.
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Better to arrive 5 minutes late than not to arrive at all. This from a reformed speeder. 2 speeding convictions in my youth, I should have learnt after the first booking. [/font][/size][/color] <_<
Stoney871
Tbh because of the state of our roads down here at the moment, any thoughts of going quickly are the furthest thing from my mind.
More holes and pits than the Somme.
FOCA
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1357318392' post='224386']
Officer: "Is that a blue reflective sticker sir?"

Jeebo "No, Its Teal Green!!"

I can see the argument now lol!!
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You can have White lights or reflectors on the front

You can have red lights or reflectors on the back

You can have amber (orange) lights or reflectors on the side

Thats it for civilian cars, more or less

As this topic has mutated towards speeding -

How do the Police officers on the forum feel about the present speed limits - and the raising of the "temporary" (1967) national speed limit to say,100mph for ie, experienced drivers that have passed a special test etc
TDCiST
I for one actually agree with lowering to 20 in heavily built up and school areas... as for motorways, lets face it, its 70mph, most do 80mph if not 90... if you raise it, people will always want to go that bit more... if you raise to 100, then people will want to do 110/120... thats one hell of a difference between a lorry doing 50-55, and a car doing 100+... would be nasty if a lorry pulled out in front of you! like hitting a brick wall at 50!

I know modern cars have better brakes, better safety systems etc, but its not like drivers have improved... we humans are still the same as we were 50 years back... its us thats the issue with speed and accidents really...

You could get away with 80 on the motorways, but its probably better to leave it as it is...

I like the European system of a speed limit when dry and another when wet...
b1g_dav3
[quote name='btmaldon' timestamp='1357307640' post='224373']
Ive put some blue reflectors on each side of the rear window as I was getting fed up with the number of children racers sniffing my mudflaps. Its amazing how few do it now and how many suddenly decide to drop back because they noticed something different in the back window.
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Just bare in mind whatever's going on behind you is someone else's problem :P
Stoney871
If you think of the Autobahns in Germany, they have no limit but in reality there are very rare occasions when you can actually do top speed as some tit will always be going 60 and block you out.

Personally i believe that the UK speed limits are fine as they are, if you read up on braking distances and optimal spacing between cars you will end up with massive gaps between cars and a lot more cases of vehicles wrapping themselves around the Armco barriers.
b1g_dav3
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357327393' post='224425']
If you think of the Autobahns in Germany, they have no limit but in reality there are very rare occasions when you can actually do top speed as some tit will always be going 60 and block you out.

Personally i believe that the UK speed limits are fine as they are, if you read up on braking distances and optimal spacing between cars you will end up with massive gaps between cars and a lot more cases of vehicles wrapping themselves around the Armco barriers.
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So what you're saying is it's the idiots going way under the limits... Well that's that, let's get a minimum speed limit! :P
TDCiST
Wouldnt work...

What would you set it to??

Anything under 60 and half your transport of goods disappears... Its a nice idea, and I would love it! It would stop the people who say "I'm not comfortable doing any more than 50 on a motorway" from sitting in the middle lanes and causing more of a danger than most!!

I agree with a motorway test though, make pass plus compulsory, but thats a WHOLE other topic ;)
b1g_dav3
Yeah Motorway tests should be a compulsory, I did my test and hadn't had a single lesson on the motorway, yet I could speed off at 70 to my heart's content, and it's a LOT harder than people think first time. I had pass plus which had me on for 4 hours, but 4 hours isn't really ideal.

Trouble is though you think how annoying it is to be stuck behind a learner at 20mph in a 40, would you really want those on the motorways >.<
NorthSussex
[quote name='b1g_dav3' timestamp='1357327499' post='224427']
[color=#ff0000]So what you're saying is it's the idiots going way under the limits... Well that's that, let's get a minimum speed limit! :P[/color]
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]The speed limit is the maximum the law will allow, it doesn't mean that it is safe to always drive at that speed. An intelligent driver will always drive at a speed they feel is safe for the road conditions and not always at the maximum speed limit on that road. [/font][/size][/color]

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I would agree that the speed limits are about right at the moment, but an extra limit of 25, 35 and 45 could be introduced on some roads thus avoiding the big jump from 60 down to 30 in some areas.[/font][/size][/color]
TDCiST
Very True...

I was lucky to have the A1 (the non motorway bit) near home, so i was taken on that on one or two of my lessons, as good as a motorway... so got me a bit of experience.
b1g_dav3
[quote name='NorthSussex' timestamp='1357328190' post='224431']
[color=#0000FF][size=5][font='comic sans ms', cursive]The speed limit is the maximum the law will allow, it doesn't mean that it is safe to always drive at that speed. An intelligent driver will always drive at a speed they feel is safe for the road conditions and not always at the maximum speed limit on that road. [/font][/size][/color]

[color=#0000FF][size=5][font='comic sans ms', cursive]I would agree that the speed limits are about right at the moment, but an extra limit of 25, 35 and 45 could be introduced on some roads thus avoiding the big jump from 60 down to 30 in some areas.[/font][/size][/color]
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I usually drive at 60 on the motorways, or follow wagons at just under for extra fuel economy. Hello 70mpg.


[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1357328279' post='224432']
Very True...

I was lucky to have the A1 (the non motorway bit) near home, so i was taken on that on one or two of my lessons, as good as a motorway... so got me a bit of experience.
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I had my dad take me out a few times when I passed, 1 week later I was having to run him to work and back for 4 months so got plenty of experience :P
Stoney871
The reason that motorway driving is not included in the standard driving test is because there are areas of the country that do not have access to motorways without driving a fair distance. (think of Lands End, 110 miles as the crow flies to get to the M5 at Exeter, one hell of a lesson and a very lengthy test indeed)
b1g_dav3
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357330106' post='224440']
The reason that motorway driving is not included in the standard driving test is because there are areas of the country that do not have access to motorways without driving a fair distance. (think of Lands End, 110 miles as the crow flies to get to the M5 at Exeter, one hell of a lesson and a very lengthy test indeed)
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People shouldn't live in such silly places then!

Alternatively, 2 tests? 1 for normal roads, 1 for motorway use.
Stoney871
[quote name='b1g_dav3' timestamp='1357330228' post='224442']
Alternatively, 2 tests? 1 for normal roads, 1 for motorway use.
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Nice idea, however how do you legislate whether someone is qualified to drive on a Motorway or just A/urban roads?
b1g_dav3
Same way as a learner I'd say, L plates or something similar.

I know you could say they could just not have them on and drive about as they please, but same applies for normal learners anyway.
Stoney871
I lose count of how many drivers i come across claiming their L plates must have 'blown off'.
b1g_dav3
Best one I saw, 3rd lane of a motorway, on their own with L plates doing 60, swing across to the left hand lane across the front of 1 car and in to the side of the other. They were looking around wondering what was going on, when they were then approached pretended to be unconscious...
Stoney871
Usual one is when you pull a car over and get to the door only to find one occupant sat in the passenger seat.
Usual line- "it was my mate driving"
Who? the invisible man? :D
b1g_dav3
Bill the imaginary friend has had a license for 14 years, 0 points and is a very curtious driver :P
Stoney871
Didn't get to see his licence though. ;)
b1g_dav3
Well naturally imaginary bill has an imaginary license issued by the imaginary driving standards agency :P
Stoney871
We put a warrant out for his arrest but nobody can find him :P
b1g_dav3
Throw some imaginary chocolate into an imaginary trap, and job done!
Stoney871
Wave a giro filled out in invisible ink ;)


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