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johnS
Hi,

About a year ago I noticed a whining noise and thought nothing of it untill now where the noise has increased a bit.

I want to know what it is, the symtoms are:

-When I push the clutch in, the noise goes away
-When the clutch is pushed in, going down a hill keeping the same speed the noise is still gone untill the clutch is back up
-In neutral and rev'ing the car the noise isnt there
-Changes in tone at about 50mph
-Noise is the same in any gear
-just after starting, somtimes I hear a slight spin up sound just after starting, but it's not that loud.


Any ideas? It's bugging me a little
stef123
sounds like the clutch release bearing
oilburner79
If its on an ST170 it could be the Dual Mass flywheel on its way out
raskL
yeah mate id say release bearing or flywheel , id say flywheel more likely tho as release bearing will probably be more of a cluncking.

outside chance it could be a bearing in the gearbox too.


jack it up and get the old stethoscope out :D
johnS
[quote name='raskL' timestamp='1341898714' post='192508']
yeah mate id say release bearing or flywheel , id say flywheel more likely tho as release bearing will probably be more of a cluncking.

outside chance it could be a bearing in the gearbox too.


jack it up and get the old stethoscope out :D
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it cant be the release bearing, that was changed in a clutch kit a while ago
raskL
my money will be on the flywheel
johnS
[quote name='raskL' timestamp='1341909801' post='192536']
my money will be on the flywheel
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I dont see how it would be mate, it's not a DMF

one other symptom is that its not REALLY loud, just there and annoying cos it's getting worse
stef123
I would put money on it being the release bearing
artscot79
having had it on my mk1 release bearing either the new ones popped a seal like mine did or the hydraulics need bled
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1341919773' post='192563']
having had it on my mk1 release bearing either the new ones popped a seal like mine did or the hydraulics need bled
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it cant be, I had the noise appear before the clutch was done, and after the noise is still there 6 months later after the clutch was done. And a clutch kit was fitted
artscot79
john mate if its coming from the clutch its the bearing wether it was changed or not i had a kit fitted and within 1 week the new slave cylinder seal popped and leaked it was a faulty part i had it redone under the ford dealers warranty as it was a faulty part whole kit had to be redone again either that or the garage didnt do the job they claimed to do and didnt fit a new slave cylinder you dont have a dmf so its the only option im afraid as you said before youve had issues since the clutch was first done
raskL
well only thing i could say mate if somebody brought one in and described those problems id check : clutch and release bearing + fly wheel , and then id probably run it thro a few gears with stethoscope on gearbox, and go from there. apart from that it would be trial and error :)
stef123
What about the spiggot bearing?
johnS
Mates, I dont think its to do with the clutch. The noise was there before and after the clutch change so it cant be the clutch at all.

Anymore ideas?
stef123
As above, spiggot bearing?
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1342006039' post='192794']
As above, spiggot bearing?
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I have no ideaa what those are lol!
stef123
Its in the centre of the flywheel, usually quite small
Stoney871
Layshaft bearing.?
johnS
Guys, I think that you think this whining noise is VERY LOUD and cant hear anything else; it isnt it's a small whining noise
stef123
Eh, any bearing can produce a small noise... Nobody has suggested that it's loud
Simon098
Is the noise apparent throughout a certain rev range of all the revs?

E.g. Only noticeable between 1500 and 2000 revs or is it the entire rev range?
johnS
[quote name='Simon098' timestamp='1342094182' post='193001']
Is the noise apparent throughout a certain rev range of all the revs?

E.g. Only noticeable between 1500 and 2000 revs or is it the entire rev range?
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A year sgo when I first noticed the noise it only happened at exactly 40mph and 2,000rpm.

Now it seems apparent in all gears and all speeds but a different tone
Stoney871
I still reckon lay shaft bearing.
johnS
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1342127244' post='193130']
I still reckon lay shaft bearing.
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Thanks, is it an expensive fix? What happens if I leave it alone
Stoney871
Remember it's only my suggestion of the problem but it's not a cheap job and a knackered lay shaft bearing can result in a scragged gearbox.
johnS
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1342129039' post='193144']
Remember it's only my suggestion of the problem but it's not a cheap job and a knackered lay shaft bearing can result in a scragged gearbox.
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ehug, its only done 60,000mls
johnS
To add - there is absolutly no noise when the clutch is up in neutral when stationry
Stoney871
I'd say definitely gearbox related.
Whining boxes in my experience has always been a bearing and pretty much always lay shaft.
Get it diagnosed by a mechanic, it's the only way to be 100% certain.
artscot79
my mk1 had a bearing needing replaced lay shaft bearing as well with only 70k on the clock and a very careful previous owner a gearbox specialist wanted to strip the box down and assuming there were no other parts needing replaced the value was £700 that was just after a new clutch kit was fitted so the car was traded in i got £1000 trade in for the car. as said its gear box related for sure the problem is to find out what it is will involve the gearbox being removed and stripped or a refurb box being fitted either way its not cheap by any means it will only get worse it starts off as almost not audible at all then gets a bit worse then suddenly starts rattling away like a tin can full of stones and it happens quite quickly
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1342179758' post='193239']
my mk1 had a bearing needing replaced lay shaft bearing as well with only 70k on the clock and a very careful previous owner a gearbox specialist wanted to strip the box down and assuming there were no other parts needing replaced the value was £700 that was just after a new clutch kit was fitted so the car was traded in i got £1000 trade in for the car. as said its gear box related for sure the problem is to find out what it is will involve the gearbox being removed and stripped or a refurb box being fitted either way its not cheap by any means it will only get worse it starts off as almost not audible at all then gets a bit worse then suddenly starts rattling away like a tin can full of stones and it happens quite quickly
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been looking on youtube for layshaft bering noises and it doesnt sound like any. Have you got a link to a video of what yours sounded like.

Could you hear the noise from the outside also, I cant

Also, i'm tired of this now, i'll probably leave it untill it breaks
stef123
if its only a bit annoying, i would keep running it till it gets bad. its hard to diagnose small annoying noises anyway.
johnS
Yeah I mean I first herd the noise pretty much exactly a year from today and ive done like 16,000mls since then
stef123
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1342183512' post='193248']
Yeah I mean I first herd the noise pretty much exactly a year from today and ive done like 16,000mls since then
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and there is every chance you could see another 16k miles if not more
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1342183582' post='193249']


and there is every chance you could see another 16k miles if not more
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I hope so! This is my first car - are they all like this?!
stef123
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1342184159' post='193255']
I hope so! This is my first car - are they all like this?!
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well i got rid of my focus 1.6 2001 at 110k miles ish. gearbox was fine, no noises and still on original clutch but it was just about done.
in all honesty, it was a great car
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1342216427' post='193371']
well i got rid of my focus 1.6 2001 at 110k miles ish. gearbox was fine, no noises and still on original clutch but it was just about done.
in all honesty, it was a great car
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If I get mine to 100,000mls I will be happy, but if im having these issues now I dont see how it will :(

I dont even know why i might be posibly getting bearing noises so early - what causes these to wear out?
artscot79
like i said the car could go many miles yet have you ever had the gearbox oil checked? i used to get mine done every 6 mnths when the noise started and it helped get more miles you may just need an oil top up or change on the box
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1342253826' post='193419']
like i said the car could go many miles yet have you ever had the gearbox oil checked? i used to get mine done every 6 mnths when the noise started and it helped get more miles you may just need an oil top up or change on the box
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Oil was changed 12,000mls/6months ago
johnS
What I cant understand is if I start with the clutch up (in neutral) then just after starting I hear a spinning up sound (I think related to the whinining noise), if I start with the clutch down (in neutral) the noise doesnt happen at all.

I thought theres nothing in the gearbox moving when in neutral (clutch up or down)
John Jones
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1342441400' post='193923']
What I cant understand is if I start with the clutch up (in neutral) then just after starting I hear a spinning up sound (I think related to the whinining noise), if I start with the clutch down (in neutral) the noise doesnt happen at all.

I thought theres nothing in the gearbox moving when in neutral (clutch up or down)
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I get this noise. It is only present when I start the car up- if I am stopped at lights and I raise the clutch in neutral I don't get this noise. It's a bit odd, as if it only occurs when the car is cold.

I too am driving around on a newish clutch and cylinder and am getting some whining from the engine. I hope the flywheel is not on its way out.

Is your car running efficiently?
johnS
[quote name='John Jones' timestamp='1342644938' post='194582']
I get this noise. It is only present when I start the car up- if I am stopped at lights and I raise the clutch in neutral I don't get this noise. It's a bit odd, as if it only occurs when the car is cold.

I too am driving around on a newish clutch and cylinder and am getting some whining from the engine. I hope the flywheel is not on its way out.

Is your car running efficiently?
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effiently, in terms of fuel?
johnS
bump
gc88
Bump
johnS
[quote name='gc88' timestamp='1344024643' post='198501']
Bump
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?
Stoney871
Bumpety Bumpety Bump.
artscot79
with these types of noise it has to be taken to a mech who can hear it what i will say is fords are notorious for gearbox whines many are just normal i knew a guy who has had almost every ford in the last 30yrs and every1 had a small whine with the clutch up in neutral ford even replaced the gearbox twice before a master tech came from the factory and said they all do that
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]John, just wind the volume up on the radio and forget about the whine. :D [/font][/size][/color]
johnS
I assume everyone else is interested as to what it is also, then?
artscot79
i think its just the normal gearbox whine i reckon if you took that to ford they will say its normal
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1344103694' post='198810']
i think its just the normal gearbox whine i reckon if you took that to ford they will say its normal
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fair enough then man ill leave it for the time being, thankls


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