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MattyH85
Hi. I am asking for any advice or if anyone has had a similar problem. I have a 2005 ford focus zetec,recently my rear wiper has been playing up. When turned on it stops and starts in different places. The wiper does not do a fill rotation as it should. Could it be the motor? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
Stoney871
Does sound like the motor but I'd check the wires too.
NorthSussex
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#0000FF][size=5]Check that the wiper arm is not slipping on the motor shaft.[/size][/color][/font]
artscot79
ive often found the issue is usualy the wiring that feeds into the boot or the motor but its worth checking it out the cheap way to be sure is get a working 2nd hand motor most people rarely use them so you should get a while out it
MattyH85
Thankyou for the replies. If I get time tomorrow I will have a look at the motor. Fingers crossed its a simple fix.
catch
[quote name='MattyH85' timestamp='1342348567' post='193604']
Hi. I am asking for any advice or if anyone has had a similar problem. I have a 2005 ford focus zetec,recently my rear wiper has been playing up. When turned on it stops and starts in different places. The wiper does not do a fill rotation as it should. Could it be the motor? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
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Hi Matty, I've got the very same problem in my 55 plate. As it's not an MOT fail issue, I've never got around to sorting it out. Anyway I just park it manually by flicking the stalk switch to the off position, when the wiper finally decides to visit the "park" position :rolleyes:

But you get it sorted mate, and post the fix up :)
mjt
It might be the relay. I recently had a problem with the flick wipe on my front wipers where they'd stop as soon as I released the stalk. That turned out to be the relay.

On my Mk 1.5 the front and rear relays are the same, might be the same on the Mk 2 in which case you could try swapping them to test if that's the culprit.
tomo2001
Check the wiring in the flexible rubber piece from the car body to the tailgate. This is a prime spot for the wires to fracture with the opening and closing of the tailgate over time.
Stoney871
+1
catch
[quote name='mjt' timestamp='1342386274' post='193812']
It might be the relay. I recently had a problem with the flick wipe on my front wipers where they'd stop as soon as I released the stalk. That turned out to be the relay.

On my Mk 1.5 the front and rear relays are the same, might be the same on the Mk 2 in which case you could try swapping them to test if that's the culprit.
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Wiper relays on the Mk 2 are built into the Gem module under the glove box, and as such are not replaceable. You can hear the relay switching every 6/7 seconds [as it should] if you sit quiet.

As tomo2001 says, broken wire in the flexible tube twixt bulkhead and tail gate a distinct possibility.
mjt
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1342484510' post='194078']You can hear the relay switching every 6/7 seconds [as it should] if you sit quiet.[/quote]
The fact you can hear it doesn't necessarily mean it's working properly. My relay was still operating but the contacts were burnt out.

I'm not saying the other possibilities are wrong, just that it could also be a duff relay.
catch
[quote name='mjt' timestamp='1342510277' post='194090']
The fact you can hear it doesn't necessarily mean it's working properly. My relay was still operating but the contacts were burnt out.

I'm not saying the other possibilities are wrong, just that it could also be a duff relay.
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I don't think it is a relay in the traditional sense your thinking of. Because if it was Ford would have used one of the empty relay sockets on the actual Gem Unit [see picture]

Think about it, if it was a component liable to fail and need replacing, why put it in a module that costs circa £450 to replace, add to that the labour charge on top! When a circa £5 conventional relay like on the Mk1 Focus would fix the problem.
mjt
Well I'll have to defer to you on that as I don't have any info on the MK 2 and I agree it wouldn't make sense to integrate the relay(s) into the GEM. I'll only say that if you can hear it operating it must be an electromechanical component of some kind so can't be a solid-state device.

What are the functions of the two relays shown in your pic?
catch
[quote name='mjt' timestamp='1342513194' post='194098']
I'll only say that if you can hear it operating it must be an electromechanical component of some kind so can't be a solid-state device. [/quote]

It would seem so, but that being the case ...would you as part of Fords electro / mechanical design team build a £450 solution to a £5 problem?

[quote]What are the functions of the two relays shown in your pic?
[/quote]

Top of my head ones the horn, I forget what the other is. But I've had them both out and swapped with relays in the engine compartment and they are working. Besides with both removed, you can still hear the momentary switching click that fires up the wiper motor coming from the Gem unit. Then it obviously drops out breaking the feed to the motor................but whilst the stalk switch is in the rear wiper "on" position, the switching sound coming from the Gem unit kicks in every 6 or so seconds ......thus moving the wiper on a bit more.

It's not an issue I'm prepared to chuck money at so have not had it into the dealers. Though I've other things to do, I did nip out to the car a bit since and checked the wiring in the rubber sheath 'twixt bulkhead and tailgate. Insulation on all the individual wires fine, and when conducting stress testing of the individual wires, there was no play in them. Meaning the copper wires within each individual insulated sheath themselves were intact.

I'd be inclined to think its a fault in the switching arrangement within the actual motor unit itself, or a bad earth in that area. As once the stalk switch is moved to the off position, the wiper motor should still run until it reaches the "park" position on the rear windscreen.

[b]See as part of a process of elimination approach to this apparently common problem.[/b] If anyone Mk2 or Mk2.5 owner with a fully functioning rear wiper ....could go to their car switch the ignition on [don't fire the engine up, but do switch of the heater fan if it's running. Flick the rear wiper switch to the "on" position, sit there for say 30 seconds and listen to hear if there is a clicking noise coming from their Gem unit every 6/7 or 8 seconds .

Because for costs reasons given earlier, I think if their Gem unit displays the same noise as mines making. I'd take that as meaning there is nothing wrong with the Gem unit. And we can move on to looking for the problem elsewhere.

So anybody fancy a walk to their car then :) because one day in the future you might be happy to know the possible fault and fix for this problem. I mean mine was working fine then one day..............
mjt
[quote name='catch' timestamp='1342522581' post='194130']the switching sound coming from the Gem unit kicks in every 6 or so seconds ......thus moving the wiper on a bit more[/quote]
I agree. This sounds like a fault with the park switch in the motor unit or the wiring thereof.

[quote].would you as part of Fords electro / mechanical design team build a £450 solution to a £5 problem?[/quote]
No, as a retired electronics engineer I can categorically state that I wouldn't integrate a limited-life component such as a relay into a unit costing that much. That's not to say that such things aren't done in the auto industry though.
catch
Thanks for your input mjt ,

and I know if you had a Mk2 /2.5 you would be out to your car in a flash :D like I would ....................but thats the older generation for you. Obviously we have time on our hands but there must be at least one person out there that could take the time out to check their Gem Unit out noise wise :rolleyes:

Well it's time to make my lunch, and the wife has me on a mission. That is finding a decent self catering apartment in Los Cristianos this November. Said I'd do it today so she can book her time off work.......................she will say ..........you have been on that forum all day haven't you.....................who me.......... whatever give you that idea?
mjt
:D :D :D
Stoney871
Just checked the rear wiper on a mk2 and mk2.5, both make two clicks behind the dash.
One click just before the wiper moves and a second one as the wiper is moving (about a half a second between forst and second click).
I'd assume the relay closing and opening again.
Just to point you in the right direction, on my old mk1 I had the symptoms that the rear wiper would work fine when the wash button was pressed but on intermittent wipe it would stop at random places on return.
This sounds exactly like your problem and the cause that time was definitely a broken wire.
catch
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1342526614' post='194152']
Just checked the rear wiper on a mk2 and mk2.5, both make two clicks behind the dash.
One click just before the wiper moves and a second one as the wiper is moving (about a half a second between forst and second click).
I'd assume the relay closing and opening again.[/quote]

Cheers Clive your a STAR,

that's the clicking noises I get, the relay being energised, and then nigh on instantly being de energised. Meaning the Gem is working as it is intended to do. So we can discount that, it's either a wiring loom open circuit, or a contact failing within the wiper motor housing.
teo_st
Hi,
I am new in this forum and I have the exact same problem. I have ford focus mk2 year 2005. This is my second car. I used to have the same focus but 2007. But I crashed it and now I am selling it ofr parts. About the problem. I have replaced the motor with the motor from my old car that is 100% working and the result is negative. The wiper stops wherever it wants to. I checked the cables in the rubber housing between the trunk and the car but everything seems to look good. The only thing that left is the build in "[color=#000000][font=Tahoma, sans-serif][size=3]indestructible[/size][/font][/color]" relay. I someone has any suggestions please tell me I will try to fix it. I am sorry for my bad English.
Stoney871
Definitely the relay then if the wiring is intact.
Drop the internal fuse board down and listen to the relays when wipe is engaged.
This should point you to the correct one to check and replace.
teo_st
Yes, but the relay is integrated... I removed all the relays from the fuse box and the wiper is still working and the relay is clicking from the inside...
jameso
[quote name='MattyH85' timestamp='1342348567' post='193604']
Hi. I am asking for any advice or if anyone has had a similar problem. I have a 2005 ford focus zetec,recently my rear wiper has been playing up. When turned on it stops and starts in different places. The wiper does not do a fill rotation as it should. Could it be the motor? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
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jameso
hi
is worth checking the wiring between roof and tailgate because where you keep opening and shutting tailgate wiring in the rubber sleave gets crushed or broken which can cause a intermittent fault
catch
I've still got the problerm [I checked the wiring in the extended rubberised sheaf, twixt bulkhead and boot lid many moons ago, and it was fine]

So it's either checking the wiring from Gem back to the motor, or the contacts in the motor it's self. Now seeing as it's no big deal to "manual park it" I cannot therefore be @rsed to undertake the aformentioned............
teo_st

Hi,
I have solved the problem! The relay was damaged. It is located in the trunk on the left side. I am so happy about solving it ! Good luck 

catch

Hi,
I have solved the problem! The relay was damaged. It is located in the trunk on the left side. I am so happy about solving it ! Good luck 

Good on you mate, so there is a relay in the boot well fancy that!

Now four years ago  I had the boot liner off on the left hand side  because I put the electro magnetic reversing sensor unit behind it, plus I needed to run the beep beep cable through to the rear seat compartment where I mounted the beep beep sounder its self. And I must say I did not notice a relay .............mind you I was not looking for one, but that said it must be hard to miss.

 

Any chance of a picture showing same, or a more detailed explination as to it's exact whereabouts.

 

cheers

 

PS: flew through it's MOT today, as per usual. And I notice this year the MOT certificate includes the last 4 MOT mileages, Underclockers wont like that will they. Mind you my motor is eight years old in two weeks and it's only done 49,390miles [certified]

catch

seeing as our Bulgarian based freind is not responding, anybody else found this elusive relay hiding out in the boot ?

 

For a couple of days last week it was not a problem, as the rear wiper deceided to go walk about in the middle lane of a section of the A1 last week. The retaining clip on the arm had partly broke off, but a visit to ebay put that right for little money.

artscot79
Im assuming its on the left hand side of tge boot behind the carpet near the light wiring or same location but above the rear strut mount
catch

Im assuming its on the left hand side of tge boot behind the carpet near the light wiring or same location but above the rear strut mount

 

As the tail gate wiper, and heated rear screen wireing harness comes in at roof level from the cabin, I would not have thought a wiper relay would be found left hand side of the boot. Like I said, I've had the side carpeting of when installing rear parking aid.

 

Arthur are you saying it could be in the pillar that the rear light cluster is set into? I cannot see it being there. Must say as it's quite a common complaint, I would have thought somebody would know where this elusive relay exists. If it does exist at all [which I very much doubt it does] Would have though one of the "I'm a trained Ford Techie"  bods who vist the forum would have a definitive answer to the "is there a relay or not" in the boot area.

teo_st

Sorry for being offline so long. 
The Focus before 03.2005 has that extra relay in the boot and only is has that kind of problem. The newer version 04.2005- did not have it. I have both cars :) I can't make a picture so show you exactly where is located so I will try to use someone's on the web. Hope he doesn't mind. Mine was taped so look carefully. Good luck!

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catch

Thanks Teodor, for coming back to us eventually :rolleyes:

 

You threw me completley, I just assumed you were having the same problem on a Mk2/2.5 as that is what you are displaying in your avatar. But in actual fact you also own a Mk 1 Focus, and it was that car you had the fault on. :D

 

In all fairness the thread header only stated " Ford Focus Rear Wiper" albeit the problem actually being discussed was on the Mk 2 Focus. But as English is not your first language your not to blame, hell your English beats my Bulgarian for sure.

 

Well done mate, and thanks for your efforts.

 

I'm still living with the manual park solution, as I'm looking to part exchange my Mk2 sometime between summer 2014 to Spring 2015. If and when the right 2.5 to 3 year old motor turns up [will have owned the Mk2 for 5 years] Looking for a 1.6 150bhp Ecoboost Titanium / Titanium X.Estate.  At circa 3 years old somebody else will have eaten a massive chunk of "Depreciation Pie" for me.....................

 

Reason I'm going for an estate, is the fact that Ford [in my opnion] have "hamstrung" the Mk3 Focus by designining it with the smallest boot in it's class. .........http://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/Family-Hatchback-Biggest-Boot-671

 

That decision by Ford, deserves inclusion in the biggest mistakes in history league, such as ....

 

Napoleon's invasion of Russia

The Charge of the Light Brigade

Voting for Tony Blair

Letting banks print money

 

 

feel free to add to the above, anybody



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