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owls4ever
Hi guys,
I've recently exchanged my old 54reg focus for a 3month old 1.6 econetic TDCi 115 focus (4000miles ont clock now) and I've been driving it for about a month. Reported MPG is 67.3 as an average however I don't seem to be able to get above 50MPG, even though I am following the gear shift recommendations on the computer as close as I can. Anything above 50MPG is more often than not influenced by gravity than 'true' fuel efficiency.
I was wondering if anyone has had the same issues? I know that pure urban driving has a tendency to lower overall MPG but I do 40miles per day from derby to nottingham and back. Even long haul distances average MPG is around 50, miles below the comparison within the ford
Manual (circa 80Mpg)!

I recently turned the traction control off which has boosted the MPG somewhat but all very wierd for a car that has 99% decent reviews.
Is this normal for diesel cars to be inefficient and then develop an efficiency throughout their life?

Advice or knowledge gratefully received

Cheers
Andy

Steven33
I know its pretty obvious stuff but have you checked tyre pressures? driving with air conditioning on / windows open? carrying extra weight in the boot?
Graeme900
I've got a 60 plate 1.6 tdci zetec s and get 60-67 depending on style. Usually around 680miles a tank before fill up. check out the which & honest john mpg websites which gives you an indication on expected mpg based on a few factors and what others get from their cars.
owls4ever
The air con has been used but not too much, windows are up and not load in the boot.
I had thought of the tyres earlier and went to check them, not low at all.

Honest John website is really good so thanks for that. Real life MPG (which I must admit is an absolute joke when you read why the EC figures are so optimistic) is between 44-59.

Real average around 50, so I guess the car is acting 'normal'. So much for efficiency ey, more like a smokescreen!
james_60
iam getting 50mpg from my focus which has 2000 miles on the clock.

my car is a focus zetec econetic (so the badge on the boot says)

Jamie
artscot79
forgive me for saying not again.
fuel figures supplied are based on optimum conditions these cars are tested on an a track and in a lab to get these figures we dont drive on perfectly flat roads with no lights or roundabouts etc etc nor do we drive in perfect temperatures real life mpg will never match what they claim.
outside temperatures inclines in the road surface all effect this so what you get and what someone else gets as there mpg wont be the same unless you drive identical routes.
apologies for the start of this but so many people come here after buying a car expecting 80mpg when it just wont happen ignorance and poor research by the buyer and stupid laws that allow manufacturers to dupe customers into buying in some cases a car no more economical than there old one
jimrex
Yeh, ignore the official figures... there's no way they can be reproduced in the real world. The best thing to do is reset the average MPG when you fill up, set the read out to instant MPG and just aim to keep the number as high you can (very light on the throttle and brakes, coming off the gas for down-hill slopes and backing off early when approaching junctions etc). Then, check the average periodically and see where it's headed.

I'm not much of an eco-driver, I just drive, but this last tank of fuel I've tried to make last as long as possible and got the average from 43MPG to 54MPG. It's really made me think about my driving style!

It's also worth mentioning that a 3 month old engine isn't going to be as efficient as the same engine with 20k miles on it, if properly serviced etc.
GSM
Diesel engines do tend to gain efficiency in the first few months/thousand miles of driving, as the engine is "broken in" so to speak - as long as you properly service at the appropriate intervals, so you might see an increase of the next few months.

But as others have said, the official MPG figures are generated during a highly controlled test that eliminates a whole variety of real-life driving factors, that there's barely a car in the world that will match them on the road.

But for somebody like myself who struggles to top 38mpg (in exchange for just a measly 100bhp), I can't see why you'd complain about 50! :(
tomo2001
Do a search there are other threads on this car (mine included). I have only had a handful of tanks where I have achieved 500+ miles from them. Typically i get around 470-480.

The economy drops drastically at anything above 60mph and using it all the time on the motorway you will only see 50mph at best.

Slightly disappointing I know but real life conditions I'm afraid, not lab conditions like the manufacturers quote.
owls4ever
Cheers guys, amongst anything I just wanted to check I wasn't being daft and make a prat outta myself at the Ford garage!

Managed to get 50 mpg today so I suppose that will do me, driving miss Daisy mind! :)
tomo2001
Andy, you in Sheffield by any chance with that username ?

Forget that just re-read original post, you're in Derby !!
owls4ever
Yeh I'm from Sheff, Wednesday fan as you've probably guessed! :)
Live in Derby now though since I came to Uni here
tomo2001
WAWAW
grahamp
mpg... is the average on the dash accurate-ish? I started writing down mileage and fuel amount at every fill and was going to work it out by hand and then lost the bit of paper with the numbers :(
The Econetic should get virtually the same figures as a stock 1.6 I wouldve thought. Flatter wheel trims and harder tyres... anything else?
I get anything from 55 to 64 on the dash. Drove 200 miles one weekend in a car with wife and 2 kids, air con on, 460 litre roofbox stuffed full of camping equipment, 20Kg 6 man tent, calor gas bottle, camping furniture, stove, the works, in the estate boot, and it still reckoned I was getting 60 :o
jg321
My dash reading says something in the region of 50 (average) usually. I do tend to drop it down gears quickly; as soon as it feels like it's even slightly struggling.

Brimming the tank tends to tell me the same, low 50s. I do tend to drive rather quickly though, although I'm not the slam on the brakes kinda guy, quite the opposite, I probably over-anticipate sometimes, especially on the A580 (anyone in the North West will know what I mean - you can see the lights for miles!).

I tend to do short trips to/from work every day, and it goes on the motorway almost every weekend.

I know it might sound daft, but BP fuel seems to go further. Not sure if it's just that I happen to keep it calm after I've filled up there; probably cos it's so bleeding expensive!
owls4ever
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WAWAW
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UTO FTB
:)
owls4ever
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mpg... is the average on the dash accurate-ish? I started writing down mileage and fuel amount at every fill and was going to work it out by hand and then lost the bit of paper with the numbers :(
The Econetic should get virtually the same figures as a stock 1.6 I wouldve thought. Flatter wheel trims and harder tyres... anything else?
I get anything from 55 to 64 on the dash. Drove 200 miles one weekend in a car with wife and 2 kids, air con on, 460 litre roofbox stuffed full of camping equipment, 20Kg 6 man tent, calor gas bottle, camping furniture, stove, the works, in the estate boot, and it still reckoned I was getting 60 :o
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I have wondered that to be honest, especially the miles left in the tank calc, completely toned down my driving and still won't get 400 miles out of this tank.
Nothing spesh on my model other than the appearance pack.

Time will tell I think with this issue
Jma1_1
Also they have specially fitted tyres to the econetic as part of the tests which have low rolling resistance but provide less grip, so tyres do make a difference, the make not just the pressures!
mayo10uk
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iam getting 50mpg from my focus which has 2000 miles on the clock.

my car is a focus zetec econetic (so the badge on the boot says)

Jamie
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Hi Jamie, In your signature it says non maintained DPF, how do you find this out ? Thanks. Pat.

10K miles ----- Currently showing 54mpg, Using standard supermarket fuel, when I first got the car had prem fuel in a month ago and was showing 58mpg.

Sits on motorway at 60-65mph..... Journey to work 40 mile trip and half town and motorway.
james_60
Hi Mayo

1.6 tdci DV6 focus's 2010 on were fitted with coated maintenance free diesel particulate filters.

I have seen on etis that 2.0 tdci's from 2010 have the same filter.

They Burn off the soot accumulation at set intervals exactly the same as the dpf with fluid.

The way i found out was via Etis and a couple of other members

Jamie
mayo10uk
Thanks.

Okay i'll check my vin tomorrow on ETIS it's raining outside, should really record it.
RickG
Well, I have the same but the estate version, and travel about 50 miles a day, and average around 57 mpg and that cruising at 70mph. I just have a pram in the back though, nothing too heavy.
RickG
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Also they have specially fitted tyres to the econetic as part of the tests which have low rolling resistance but provide less grip, so tyres do make a difference, the make not just the pressures!
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The econetic, from what I believe has a lighter engine and the oil is different. Also added are the aerodynamic additions, such as wheel trims, side skirts and front bumper. Its also lowered 10 mm from a standard focus.
Baldrick69
Yes, I also have [color=#282828][font=sans-serif]a 3month old 1.6 econetic TDCi 115 focus. Mine is the estate.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=sans-serif]My old 2005 Octavia 140bhp 2.0 diesel regularly got 55-58mpg. Same journey, driven the same way, in the Focus gets 60ish. Very disappointing, and to claim 80+ is fraudulent IMO.[/font][/color]
artscot79
no fraud it will do 80mpg in test conditions but we dont drive in test conditions the best way to judge actual mpg is to take the lowest mpg stated usually the combined and actual mpg will not be far off that you also have to remember test cars can be mapped differently and usually are for the emissions regulations
huey45
Hi M8

for what is worth I did a longish trip to RAF Cosford 186 miles from home, and averaged 65mpg with cruise control set at 70mph
on returning home and running round doors my average is 50mpg mine is sept 2012/62 plate with 10k on clock
cuke

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/CAR-tech-whos-to-blame-for-your-cars-terrible-fuel-economy/ interesting article for those who need to know more about how the figures are reached. It says that they are attained on a rolling road...

ben1191

The air con has been used but not too much, windows are up and not load in the boot.
I had thought of the tyres earlier and went to check them, not low at all.

Honest John website is really good so thanks for that. Real life MPG (which I must admit is an absolute joke when you read why the EC figures are so optimistic) is between 44-59.

Real average around 50, so I guess the car is acting 'normal'. So much for efficiency ey, more like a smokescreen!

If i drive my 1.8 tdci carefully i can get 65mpg from it on A roads! Average around 50-55 country laning and city driving.I dont know how you lot manage to get such a low MPG :P

mixmasterlooney

Does it need a service? have a look at the air filter condition. The first focus i drove was a 1.6TDCI Econetics, it was older than my ZS.

 

Hertz on demand rental car for 3 days, i drove from london to devon and back spent £54 on fuel and when i got back to london i drove 445 miles it still had more than quarter tank and i drove it like i stole it! i was very impressed with the fuel economy.

 

My ZS has the same engine and the econetics is no gimmick it really does make a difference, the one i drove had regular summer tyres on 16" mini ST's done the same journey in my ZS and although i got 400 miles the tank was near empty of course i wasn't driving for economy. 

 

So from my experience the econetics is a totally different beast, it also felt like it had more torque than my ZS, i saved all info on my spendings for that rental even got a pic of the fuel that was left and the mileage done so i would suggest that you check the oil and air filter and overall service of the car.

 

It's important to note that on a cold engine it will burnt alot of fuel, switch on the instant fuel display and check the difference under acceleration from a warm engine and cold.

 

it goes without saying that your mileage will depend on the type of road the car is driven on, any kind of urban driving rips into the tank hard

Baldrick69

Gave up with my Focus.  The mpg did improve dramatically after 10k miles but so many other niggles I sold it after only 6 months.  I'll never buy another Ford.

huey45
Hi great pity giving up on your focus, its only my second ford in many years, its a quantum leap
over my 1956 zephyr zodiac straight six, it would pass anything on the road bar a garage, 12mpg
I recall on a good day....
MarioMK3

Hi

For last month I was  driving mostly in a city  my  average  mpg  was  46 ( aircon on -all the time ) after  changing tyres for  cheap one  my  mpg got low as a 37mpg

is it posiible that cheap  tyres  lowering  mpg so much ?

coffeeguy66

I've owned 2 Ford Focus's , one was a 62 plate zetec and I was getting 53mpg around town and around 68 on the motorway doing around 65-70 mph so was pretty good. Girlfriend decided she missed her FIesta titanium with power folding mirrors, auto lights n wipers and so we swapped our zetec for a 2011 plate titanium x with all the goodies fitted incl that fancy parking assist where it parks itself ( does work very well actually, albeit a gimmick) ,anyway, I digress, the titanium x wasn't giving the same mpg as the 62 plate zetec despite having the same engine which me and the missus couldn't work out, we did notice it didn't pull away smoothly and seemed to lack power. We took it back to sandicliffe in Leicester and they test drove it and said it was fine so we thought , ok, left it that for a few weeks, ended up taking it back and they kept it a few days with a diagnostic piece of kit and it turned out one of the injectors was faulty , they replaced all 4 and it drives perfectly now and the mpg is around what our 62 plate zetec was giving us, infact it's better by a touch.

 

Also, I put shell vpower diesel in , it's a bit more per gallon but seems to like it. So, it maybe worth getting a diagnostic on it and see if there is anything a miss with the engine that's causing your lack of mpg, before ours had new injectors I wasn't getting any more than 34 to the gallon out of it which I couldn't work out to start with. Cheers, and I know your post is old but you may read it,

mixmasterlooney

Hi
For last month I was  driving mostly in a city  my  average  mpg  was  46 ( aircon on -all the time ) after  changing tyres for  cheap one  my  mpg got low as a 37mpg
is it posiible that cheap  tyres  lowering  mpg so much ?


Driving heavy I get 44 mpg, driving normal I get 46 mpg all inner city driving and some a3 atleast once a week


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