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Pitmonster
Hi all,

Mk2 Focus 1.8 TDCi Zetec

I'm considering fitting new front discs and pads to my Focus - not as a performance upgrade, just routine maintenance.

I've changed brakes plenty of times in th past so I'll most likely do this myself, getting the parts from somewhere like Euro Car Parts or similar.

The problem is that when I go on the ECP site there's various brands and prices, and I don't know which are the correct ones:

Front discs - brands are Pagid or Eicher, and prices are from 30 to 46
There seem to be 2 sizes - 278 and 300mm. Which do I need?
(I have 16" wheels, car is diesel)

Front pads - brands are Pagid or Eicher, and prices are from 21 to 33
There seems to be only one specification, so does it matter what size disc I have? Will the same pad fit both disc sizes?

Are the two brands compatible? Will I buy one and find they don't fit?
(I once had this with a previous car - the manufacturer used 2 brake suppliers and I managed to buy the wrong part. Although it was the correct part for that model/year, through pure bad luck it wasn't the correct part for *my* car, if you know what I mean)

Or can anyone suggest the right parts to get and where to get them from?

Finally, are their any special tools I need or tricks I need to know?

Thanks for your help.
stef123
The 1.8 tdci uses 300mm front and 280 rear. Used plenty pagid brake parts, seem ok.
Pitmonster
Thanks for that :-)

Do the same pads fit both disc sizes?
stef123
No there are front pads and rear pads. The front 280 or 300mm use the same pads however.
The 280 rears use smaller pads
grahamp
I was having a look for the same as mine will need doing within the next couple of thousand miles, but the Pagid stuff looks pretty expensive on ECP... the discs are priced each, not for a pair.

I've seen recommendations for the guy knocking out Mintex stuff on eBay, might go down that route myself.
stef123
remember you get a discount through the forum for ECP - 25%. unless of course they have a better offer on the site
ShinyAndy
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1343768193' post='197824']
remember you get a discount through the forum for ECP - 25%.
[/quote]

How do you get that?
stef123
FOCCOM25 at checkout. Think that's the code...
ShinyAndy
Cheers :)
Pitmonster
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1343821813' post='197919']
FOCCOM25 at checkout. Think that's the code...
[/quote]
I never knew that, thanks.

Do you get the discount in person?
There's a branch of ECP not far from me and I would rather pick the parts up than get them posted.
stef123
[quote name='Pitmonster' timestamp='1343837714' post='197976']
I never knew that, thanks.

Do you get the discount in person?
There's a branch of ECP not far from me and I would rather pick the parts up than get them posted.
[/quote]

if you order online to pick up in store you will get the discount
Pitmonster
Excellent!

Do I need any special tools to fit front discs & pads, or need to know any special tricks, or is it pretty straightforward?
grahamp
Bit of a late reply to last question, no its pretty straightforward. Apart from the usual tools you'll need;
Torque wrench to do securing bolts up correctly
Hex socket of the right size for mounting bolts
Wire brush and can of brake cleaner (new discs usually have a coating to stop tarnishing which needs removing)
G clamp or piston retractor (not the wind back sort) to push piston back
Hose clamp and length of bleed pipe so fluid isnt pushed back up the system when piston is pushed back in



Anyway, a question to the forum.... Sources and makes of brake parts. I need to do all my discs/pads, buying all Pagid stuff off ECP would cost £150 including their current 30% discount. I'll call my other local motor factors for prices too, but does anyone recommend any other online sources that could be better value? Any makes to avoid?
stef123
35% off at euro car parts for brake disc/pads at the moment.

grahamp
Good spot, cheers. Actually I've been going by Haynes spec for disc diameters but I've got a feeling they're wrong, better pop it up later and measure.... could be all in for under £130 with the promo code.
ChrisH
Dont forget some brake grease to keep the caliper slide surfaces lubricated, and some copper grease for the pad backs, to stop squeal. Also its a 7mm allen key you will need for the caliper mount bolts. the haynes manual dosnt tell you what size, and a 7mm was the only one I didnt have :rolleyes:
grahamp
Yes ta, already gone and got a 7mm hex socket so I can torque it back up correctly.

FordEtis warns against using "grease or lubricant on the brake pad contact points or the brake caliper piston". Oddly it only states this for the rear, not the front. Think I'll just apply a tiny amount where the caliper slides and if there's a squeal take it from there.

Well Haynes Focus 05-09 Diesel is wrong, it reckons 1.8td is 278mm, 1.6 and 2.0 are 300. Also reckons all rears are 280. I make it 278 on the front and 265 on the rear for a 1.6, lucky I measured before ordering.
stef123
The 1.8tdci is defo 300mm front and 280mm rears, also stamped into the . Good old Haynes ay?
grahamp
Just a last word, well worth picking a tube of this up if you don't have something similar:
[url="http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/car-maintenance-accessories/maintenance-fluids-and-greases/grease/?526770250&0&cc5_150"]http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/car-maintenance-accessories/maintenance-fluids-and-greases/grease/?526770250&0&cc5_150[/url]

copper-ease isn't recommended these days due to the metal particles is contains.

[url="http://www.pagid.de/images/stories/downloads/pagid_technicx_en_050825.pdf"]http://www.pagid.de/images/stories/downloads/pagid_technicx_en_050825.pdf[/url]
james132
Can anyone confirm front disc size for a 2.0TDCi 2005 focus?

Just to point out im not lazy, I would take the wheel off and measure myself, however its a tad difficult with a complete rear corner missing at the moment.

I expect there 300mm, just want to check though.
Stoney871
They will be either 278mm or 300mm.
Pitmonster
[quote name='ChrisH' timestamp='1348052227' post='207337']
Also its a 7mm allen key you will need for the caliper mount bolts. the haynes manual dosnt tell you what size, and a 7mm was the only one I didnt have :rolleyes:
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Why is it so hard to get a 7mm allen key (or hex socket for my socket set)?
Vauxhall use the same size for their caliper bolts too, so it seems to be common in car circles, but whenever you get a set that has multiple sizes it tends to go 4/5/5.5/6/8/9 and almost always misses 7 out. Why?
Is it a conspiracy?
james132
No idea why they are always left out. As you said, Vauxhall use the same, as do many other makes. I had to buy a single 7mm hex socket just for the job. Its not hard to get hold of them individually though.
mjt
Is [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teng-M121507c-Socket-Square-Drive/dp/B0001P0WL6/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1348392336&sr=1-1"]this[/url] what you need?
Pitmonster
Finally got around to buying the brake parts for my Focus from Euro Car Parts, and a mechanic friend is fitting them at the weekend. He has all the necessary tools and the right greases etc, and will fit them in a fraction of the time it would take me!

Had a choice of two brands - Pagid or Eicher. The latter was cheaper, but I'd never heard of them and a quick Google gave some bad/mixed reviews, so I went for the Pagids

A full set of discs & pads for all 4 wheels came in at 148 incl vat, which I thought was pretty reasonable for such a recognised brand.

(The Eichers would have been 100 but I prefer to see brakes as an investment rather than an expense, and 50 isn't much in such a crucial area. If the discs last 5 yrs that's only a tenner per year difference, and I can happily live with that)

Next a set of tyres, new wiper blades and a sidelight bulb, and I'll be all set for my MOT next month.
grahamp
Oh, one last thing you might need for the job... a packet of M8 x 60mm bolts, nuts and washers from the hardware shop. This video saved my bacon...

[media]http://youtu.be/mtsTJCRljAs[/media]
agentunited

Hi, I've Focus 2006 TDCi Climate variant, any idea what's the right size for the Front discs? I'm guessing it must be 278mm, anyone could pls confirm this? Many thanks!

leftathome
Got mine ( Pagid ) when they had a 50% offer and I`m well please with them.
agentunited
I called official Ford parts store, but they saying that the size is not displaying on their computer. Don't know how to find the right size. I'm getting Mintex front 2 discs + 4 pads for around £51 in Ebay. They have two variants, 278mm and 300m, so I'm struggling to find the right size.
stef123
I can't see if you guys have listed your engines or not but the 1.8 tdci uses 300mm discs
IINexusII

1.8 and 2.0 tdci have the same sizes, on ebay Mintex only had the listing for 2.0 disks and pads and they fit on my 1.8. They had the same part numbers.

agentunited

From the Mintex site, it looks like its 278mm. Many thanks!

http://195.59.3.154/mintexonline/WebForms/frmMainMenu.aspx



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