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Brigante
So I'm trying to leave Wilkinson's car park and there is a stupidly placed bollard right in my lane so I have to wait for the incoming traffic to enter the car park before I can drive round the bollard and leave. I'm wondering why there is a queue of cars trying to enter to I look behind me to see what the hold up is, It's some eejit in a corsa with his arse end sticking right out in the lane stopping the cars from entering, eventually he drives forward back into his space to let the cars in.

I now drive round the bollard and stop at the end of the lane to give way to the cars driving past the car park, It's clear so I slowly begin to pull out into the road to turn left, I'm obviously indicating, I've crossed the lane and I'm half way in the road so I have right of way. Then of all things a bloody lorry decides to turn right out of the Tesco car park next to the Wilkinson's car park and speeds towards me, he finally see's me and stops.

He is too big and wide to go round me so I have to reverse, to avoid being hit from the front I reverse back, not noticing a car has pulled up behind me also trying to leave the car park. I very unfortunately hit his front end with a bang. The lorry driver see's this and speeds of down the road and disappears around the corner.

Because I am not a corsa owner, do have a full UK license and I'm insured up the jacksy, I get out of the car and go to swap details with the driver behind. 3 witnesses come running up who saw the whole thing, all of which reassuringly say the lorry driver was at fault and that there was nothing I could have done to prevent it. I swap details with the driver behind, who is being very understanding as is his missus, who again both say it was the lorry driver at fault.

He reverses back so we can access the damage, to our luck there isn't any. He had a minor scratch that could be easily T-cutted and there is none whatsoever to mine. We shake hands and we both go on our merry way.


My Missus who is in my passenger seat is obviously very shook up asks me to pull over somewhere so she can calm down before driving home. I pull into the Tesco car park and in an attempt to eliminate the chance of getting hit from behind again by a car driving behind me, go to reverse into a parking space while it is clear rather than pull into one.

But I am also obviously still very shook up, and when reversing I fail to notice the trolley park thing behind me (which is nearly invisible when reversing at the best of times), I smash into it with a bigger bang, this time smashing my driver-side rear bumper in :( :angry: :( :o

So after being so lucky not doing any damage to either car in the Wilkinson's car park, I end up smashing my own bumper in anyway so now it will definitely need to be replaced.

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Preee
Gutted for you m8 , it will probably be cheaper to get a replacement bumper and get it sprayed rather than using your insurance which will continue over 5 years to effect your premium.
Brigante
[quote name='Preee' timestamp='1343842021' post='197996']
Gutted for you m8 , it will probably be cheaper to get a replacement bumper and get it sprayed rather than using your insurance which will continue over 5 years to effect your premium.
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Already looking at bumpers on ebay, they going as cheap as 30quid so I just gotta look for one in the right colour then fit it myself. Also, that bulb is not lighting up. But as silly as it may sound, is it supposed to?

I've took the light out and took the bulb out, it isn't showing any obvious signs of damage and the filament appears to still be intact so I don't think the bulbs broken. All other bulbs are working and my 3 brake lights (spoiler and the tail lights on boot lid) so what does this bulb do?
Haz93
That bulb is the rear fog, comes on when you pull the headlight switch towards you two clicks

Sounds like a bit of a nightmare mate :S
I got a friend up Sheffield who's neighbour reversed into his focus mk2 with similar looking damage. Think he got it replaced with an ST bumper :P

Hope you get it sorted
STEADS
FOG LIGHT
GSM
Poor Focus :(
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]What a bummer! I feel for you. :( [/font][/size][/color]
STEADS
What ever you do dont get yer mums ex to fit the bumoer did you get the front wing sorted ?
Ash88lfc
i feel for you. ive had bumper damage recently myself :(


Brigante
FOG LIIIIGHT!!! Cheers Haz and Steads mate, that's how shook up I was earlier. I literally completely forgot fog lights even existed :( just saw that the bulb weren't lighting up and panicked. Just darted outside to check and it works :)

Been looking at ST bumpers, thats what I'll get if i can find one.

No way in hell would I ever let my moms ex fella anywhere my poor focus again! I'd finally just finished fixing the last of his bodge jobs myself the other day, now this happens :unsure:
Brigante
Ouch Ash! Whay happend mate? :'(
STEADS
the later style bumpers are a straight swop not hard to swop are they ash lol
Pitmonster
[quote name='Preee' timestamp='1343842021' post='197996']
Gutted for you m8 , it will probably be cheaper to get a replacement bumper and get it sprayed rather than using your insurance which will continue over 5 years to effect your premium.
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Totally agree.

I recently had a minor bumper repair (cost 70 - the other person paid) and if I had gone through insurance my premium would go up by 140 per year for the next 5 years = 700 extra. And that's with protected no claims.

For an incident like this it's better to pay from your own pocket. A second hand bumper will be 50-100 and you should be able to find one in thte right colour easily.

Gutted for you, but at least nobody was hurt.
Brigante
[quote name='Pitmonster' timestamp='1343848357' post='198041']
Totally agree.

I recently had a minor bumper repair (cost £70 - the other person paid) and if I had gone through insurance my premium would go up by £140 per year for the next 5 years = £700 extra. And that's with protected no claims.

For an incident like this it's better to pay from your own pocket. A second hand bumper will be £50-100 and you should be able to find one in thte right colour easily.

Gutted for you, but at least nobody was hurt.
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I know mate that's what I'm gonna do. Had all this a few months ago again with a lorry, this time cutting me up on a roundabout when I was indicating and slowing to leave, he kept driving so I couldn't get any details so I had to pay out of my own pocket rather than going through insurance company and them raping my policy for 5 years. Bought a used wing panel and front bumper off ebay but a complete 100% bonafied moron of an idiot fitted then which resulted in a world of new problems which I've only just finished fixing myself like 2 days ago.

My missus had quite bad neck ache so it's probably signs of whiplash :(
Brigante
On a lighter note, these came today

[img]http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii487/therealbrigante/289002_470508432967715_1734204416_o.jpg[/img]

Got one on each tear window

Also delivered today my mist washer jets which I've fitted and my Halfords ultra brilliance H7's that Stoney recommended, although I thought they was supposed to be white but I'm sure they looking yellow in the day :wacko: Will have to wait till tonight to have a proper look.

To be delivered tomorrow are my Osram cool blue intense H1's and at some point my cree reversing bulb.
gc88
I'm sorry for you pain.

What doesbt kill you makes you stronger.

Itll be buff with a st bumper!
Brigante
[quote name='gc88' timestamp='1343851240' post='198058']
I'm sorry for you pain.

What doesbt kill you makes you stronger.

Itll be buff with a st bumper!
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Don't think the poor car can take much more. Any ideas on a rough price for a rear ST bumper mate? Can't seem to find a mk2 black one at the moment just later ones
Ash88lfc
[quote name='Brigante' timestamp='1343847118' post='198033']
Ouch Ash! Whay happend mate? :'(
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Lets just say it was a day like yours. Hopefully never again haa. I reversed into something straight after this happened. was still angry inside and shouldnt even have stepped foot back into my car. But luckily got a new bumper excellent condition for £95.

[quote name='STEADS' timestamp='1343847609' post='198038']
the later style bumpers are a straight swop not hard to swop are they ash lol
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Haa well.... Straight forward... yep..

Only if your nuts and bolts are in decent nick. which only being 2008 car thought should easily have been but wasnt to be. Gave me a nightmare so had to take car to my mates garage and we struggled a bit but job done in end. :)
Brigante
[quote name='Ash88lfc' timestamp='1343851768' post='198062']
Lets just say it was a day like yours. Hopefully never again haa. I reversed into something straight after this happened. was still angry inside and shouldnt even have stepped foot back into my car. But luckily got a new bumper excellent condition for £95.[/quote]

Lol do tell mate, see if it makes me feel any better about mine. When it happen?

If anyone see's a black rear bumper about that will fit my car I'd greatly appreciate it if they pointed me in it's direction. Not having much luck on ebay yet apart from some that already need repairing. Don't really wanna shell out on respraying one either.
jeebowhite
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes brigante, the one thing I have learned, is any near miss, always go slowly forward, like you I had a near miss, then end up reversing into something causing more damage still... as a result, any near miss I have now (my fault or otherwise) I always drive forward, park carefully, and if I need to stage my drive home in 10 minute bursts I will...

Hopefully you get your damage resolved cheaply and rapidly, but I sympathise with you.

I just got my fiesta a few years back, and turning into my one way road, an 18 wheeler was driving the wrong way up after making a delivery. I slammed the anchors on (he was doing a good 20 - 25 mph) and I had to dive into reverse as he couldnt stop in time. As I slam into reverse, and start moving, a post office van comes round the corner, fortunately I slammed the anchors on just in time, a scratch to my car, nothing to the postie, but the force gave me whiplash. The lorry, disappeared... not a trace of him, thankfully no insurance claims where made, but I tracked down the driver, and reported him for dangerous driving, I got a letter confirming that his actions where cautioned, but in the lack of physical evidence, a complaint could not be taken to court, and no further punishment could be served!
Stoney871
There's a carpet store near me on a one way street and nearly everyone leaving it turns the wrong way even with a stupid great arrow on the road.
I could stand there all day pulling drivers for it and would keep the local traffic officers in paperwork for months.
I actually like to walk the dogs up that road and take perverse satisfaction in not moving out of the way for anyone going the wrong way.
Brigante
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1343911608' post='198236']
There's a carpet store near me on a one way street and nearly everyone leaving it turns the wrong way even with a stupid great arrow on the road.
I could stand there all day pulling drivers for it and would keep the local traffic officers in paperwork for months.
I actually like to walk the dogs up that road and take perverse satisfaction in not moving out of the way for anyone going the wrong way.
[/quote]

I'd love to be a copper working that road. Amount of times I've had some idiot coming towards me down a one way road.
artscot79
ouch nasty bumpers are an easy swap though most st bumpers are orange etc luckily it was just the bumper though it could have been worse
Pitmonster
Black should be an easy colour to find, and the colour should match perfectly (you'd be amazed how many secondhand silver bumpers don't match the silver cars they're fitted to!)
Brigante
Surprisingly lads I'm having trouble finding a black bumper :wacko: there's plenty of blue, silver and grey etc but hardly any black ones. Been contacting breakers if they have any and the 3 that have got back to me so far have only had blue or grey.

The black ones I have seen have had similar or worse damage to mine and in need of a repair and full respray anyway :unsure:

Slight update on the situation, I've just contacted the company in question about the driver via the websites contact form giving as much detail as I could so hopefully I'll hear back soon.

Here's a tip.. If your going to cut someone up, causing a collision then proceed to speed off out of there and not stick around to see if everyone's ok.. Don't do it when you have BIFFA in big letters right down the side of your vehicle.. <_<
gc88
Fair enough!
What company was the van?


Would look HOT with a light blue bumper!
Stoney871
[quote name='Brigante' timestamp='1343927572' post='198283']
Here's a tip.. If your going to cut someone up, causing a collison then proceed to speed off out of there and not stick around to see if everyones ok.. Don't do it when you have BIFFA in big letters right down the side of your vehicle..
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Biffa by name...

Anyway, some more promising prospects?

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK3-MK4-FORD-FOCUS-2009-2010-REAR-BUMPER-COMPLETE-/280921531176?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item41683a6328"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK3-MK4-FORD-FOCUS-2009-2010-REAR-BUMPER-COMPLETE-/280921531176?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item41683a6328[/url]

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-08-Rear-Bumper-/221082391633?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3379899451"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-08-Rear-Bumper-/221082391633?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3379899451[/url]
artscot79
the tonic blue is the worst the sun changes the colour as its plastic so it ends up looking a shade darker or maybe the bumpers fine but its the body that goes lighter
Brigante
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1343928553' post='198289']
Biffa by name...

Anyway, some more promising prospects?

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK3-MK4-FORD-FOCUS-2009-2010-REAR-BUMPER-COMPLETE-/280921531176?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item41683a6328"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item41683a6328[/url]

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-08-Rear-Bumper-/221082391633?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3379899451"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3379899451[/url]
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Those are exactly the 2 I've had my eye on but the sellers haven't got back to me yet. On the top one, would you say that looks like damage by the reverse light?
Brigante
Oh and would I be able to fit a zetec s diffuser to one of these?
Brigante
[quote name='gc88' timestamp='1343928477' post='198288']
Fair enough!
What company was the van?


Would look HOT with a light blue bumper!
[/quote]

The company is BIFFA mate

A light blue bumper on a black car :wacko: ?
STEADS
There are seven different shades in the panther black wasnt aware of that myself until i sprayed the spoiler on my 2.0 found actually spraying it not to bad its getting the laquer right thats the hard bit imo might be worth having a try
Brigante
[quote name='STEADS' timestamp='1343933069' post='198306']
There are seven different shades in the panther black wasnt aware of that myself until i sprayed the spoiler on my 2.0 found actually spraying it not to bad its getting the laquer right thats the hard bit imo might be worth having a try
[/quote]

You mean buying a bumper that's the wrong colour and spraying it myself? Was thinking about it
ukphillad
Hey guys. Anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on a set of those Ford Owners Club stickers? Much appreciated :)
Brigante
[quote name='ukphillad' timestamp='1343961957' post='198355']
Hey guys. Anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on a set of those Ford Owners Club stickers? Much appreciated :)
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Become a supporting member here:

http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/store/product/2-foc-supporter-membership/
jeebowhite
Hi Brigante,

It might be cheaper to respray one definately, but Biffa, well clearly they dont understand that they are douche's!

if it was an unbranded van he might have got away with it, but they should be able to find out the driver given the location, delivery route, and any other details you might have caught...

I would pass the details you have onto the police as well, report them for fleeing the scene of an accident that they have caused.
artscot79
it would be a body shop to spray the bumper its not a home job if you want a good long lasting finish mate ide be claiming for the repairs from the company and keep on at them
Brigante
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1344002228' post='198404']
Hi Brigante,

It might be cheaper to respray one definately, but Biffa, well clearly they dont understand that they are douche's!

if it was an unbranded van he might have got away with it, but they should be able to find out the driver given the location, delivery route, and any other details you might have caught...

I would pass the details you have onto the police as well, report them for fleeing the scene of an accident that they have caused.
[/quote]

I know mate, ain't had a reply from them yet. All they gotta do is check who the driver was doing the rounds at that tesco store that day. It was just the way he cut me up, forcing me to reverse quickly out of his way, shouted stop as he saw me hit the car behind then drove off quick as anything. In an unmarked truck yeah he'd of got away with it, but not when he's got BIFFA right down the side of him.. hmmmm I wonder what company he could possible work for.. I really ain't got a clue.. <_<
Brigante
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1344006161' post='198408']
it would be a body shop to spray the bumper its not a home job if you want a good long lasting finish mate ide be claiming for the repairs from the company and keep on at them
[/quote]

I know mate but that'll cost a bomb won't it? Like at least 3 times the price of whatever the bumper cost in the first place.


This is bloody ridiculous, messaged and phoned round a shed load of breakers on ebay that show a photo of the black focus they are breaking, and all the ones that have got back to me so far don't have any black ones left in stock, the main colour they seem to have is red :mellow:
johnH
i do have sympathy for the OP but the problem you got mate, is proving he was the cause of the problems. you can get as many people to say so but its all down to evidence.

if you stayed still, applied the handbrake and left the car in neutral. let him hit you...then he will be at fault. but as you moved they will say thats your problem and its your fault....well thats what the bus companies say. and thats why i have had 4 bumps and not been warned as i have been in the right and handbrake applied when the car has hit me....yeah with a little help from me to get it though ;) lol

in the end of the day, you can trace and inform the police of the driver but they dont care...from personal experience police dont like dealing with large vehicles as they do not know the laws and highway code for the large vehicles...only VOSA and traffic police seem to know some and even then they are only interested in tacho's and that the vehicle is roadworthy.

but yeah, the thing i would be watching is the car you reversed into doesnt put an injury claim against you later on and you get done for not declaring it to insurance and even police as there was a claimed injury...everyone is out to tear everyone else's balls off.

on another note, i was speaking to a fella at work, as i was interested in getting my car front end resprayed from the stone chips and he was saying you are looking at no more than £100 for a full respray of a bumper.
STEADS
MY BROTHER HAD AN INCIDENT YEARS AGO WITH A LEVERS WAGON WHERE HE WAS FORCED OFF THE ROAD THEY PINNED IT DOWN TO ONE OF TWO DRIVERS FROM THE TACO REORDS HE HE GOT PAID OUT THE NEW TACO SYSTEM THAT THEY USE AND MOST ARE TRACKED ON SATERLITE AND RECORDS STORED FOR 2 YEARS IT MIGHT BE WORTH GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE I WOULDNT LET IT REST GOOD LUCK HOPE YOU NAIL THEM
STEADS
Charlie pm me might be able to help with bumper in pather black later style with one fog light would need to source a reverse light anyway pm me and we,ll talk
shawty1984
[quote name='Brigante' timestamp='1344007184' post='198409']
I know mate, ain't had a reply from them yet. All they gotta do is check who the driver was doing the rounds at that tesco store that day. It was just the way he cut me up, forcing me to reverse quickly out of his way, shouted stop as he saw me hit the car behind then drove off quick as anything. In an unmarked truck yeah he'd of got away with it, but not when he's got BIFFA right down the side of him.. hmmmm I wonder what company he could possible work for.. I really ain't got a clue.. <_<
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I don't see what you will achieve? You were at fault for hitting the guy behind. Maybe the lorry driver was at fault for not reallt concentrating, but then again, you had said that he had stopped, so you were in no danger anyway?
Brigante
[quote name='shawty1984' timestamp='1344185729' post='199017']
I don't see what you will achieve? You were at fault for hitting the guy behind. Maybe the lorry driver was at fault for not reallt concentrating, but then again, you had said that he had stopped, so you were in no danger anyway?
[/quote]

The lorry driver wasn't looking and came speeding towards me when I was already like 3 quarters in my lane forcing me to do an emergency stop, he eventually saw me and also stopped. Because of how far he had sped towards me before stopping, he had wedged himself between my car and the wall on the other side of the road, the road is very narrow meaning 2 normal cars will be able to go round each other, but due to the size of the lorry and how wide it was there was no way he would have got round me without scraping the wall as well as hitting my car. So I was forced to reverse out of his way to allow him past. Because it happened so quickly I was not allowed much thinking time after seeing the lorry speeding towards me so I did not realize the other car had just pulled up behind me before I reversed.
shawty1984
[quote name='Brigante' timestamp='1344186573' post='199020']
The lorry driver wasn't looking and came speeding towards me when I was already like 3 quarters in my lane forcing me to do an emergency stop, he eventually saw me and also stopped. Because of how far he had sped towards me before stopping, he had wedged himself between my car and the wall on the other side of the road, the road is very narrow meaning 2 normal cars will be able to go round each other, but due to the size of the lorry and how wide it was there was no way he would have got round me without scraping the wall as well as hitting my car. So I was forced to reverse out of his way to allow him past. Because it happened so quickly I was not allowed much thinking time after seeing the lorry speeding towards me so I did not realize the other car had just pulled up behind me before I reversed.
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Well yeah, I understand that, but you were the course of the accident as you reversed into someone. I don't see what the lorry driver as to do with you reversing into someone. Ok if the lorry driver hadn't of done what he did, then you wouldn't be in the trouble you were, but still.
jeebowhite
Being truthful, Unfortunately Shawty is right, you are the reason for the accident, but the integrity of the BIFFA truck is the key here. An apology from the company might not be worth the paper its written on, but if they can get him to admit it, they *may* offer to help towards the costs of the damage, whatever you do (if it comes to it) dont tell them that you had no damage from the accident itself...

Unfortunately though, the insurance companies dont really care as to who's fault it was, beyond "who hit who". Unfortunately my accident a few years ago was not my fault, the guy started driving off, then slammed his anchors on half way over the roundabout, I hit him, and it was deemed my fault. Apparently the car that cut him up disappeared, but even though the guy I hit is the one who slammed his anchors on unexpectedly, and no fraud could be proven, it was my responsibility as I was the one moving when he had stopped. Unfortunately the same will apply in OP's case, which is the vehicle knocked was stationary.

Never the less, if both parties are uninjured and decide to resolve the issue with a bottle of T-Cut, then there is nothing wrong with the way its handled. To be honest, such a low cost impact, the verbal agreement of both parties (in front of witnesses?) to not proceed further would be enough to cover you, no serious accidents would occur at that low speed.
Brigante
I know this, But what I'm saying is I physically had to reverse. I was in right of way and already going round the corner to be able to see the BIFFA driver, he was looking the other way when he began to pull out and speed towards me, I had to slam the breaks on, then he saw me and finally stopped too.

But because of how far he had travelled he'd wedged himself, so If I tried to squeeze through the tiny gap he'd left while he stayed still I'd of hit him and scraped along him.

If I had of stayed still and didn't reverse and allowed him to pass me as we was, he would have hit me and scraped along me.

The only way anyone was going anywhere is If I reversed a touch to allow him to pass freely, when I checked my rearview to see if behind was clear, It was.. I then began to reverse, maybe I didn't look behind long enough but the car behind appeared out of nowhere as I reversed into it.

The lorry didn't allow much thinking time, I saw it speeding at me, I did the only thing I could which was to stop in my tracks and hope he didn't hit me, he finally saw me and stopped, I had a quick look around to see if behind was clear and it was at the time.


There was so many different factors to it as well, for instance, If wilkinsons hadn't positioned a bollard a third of the way into an already narrow exit lane I could have freely drove out the car park before the lorry was even there.

If there wasn't an idiot in a corsa sitting half way in the narrow entrance lane causing about a 8-10 car queue trying to enter the car park, stopping me from exiting, I would have been able to freely drive round the bollard in my lane and freely leave the car park.

If the BIFFA driver was actually looking in the direction he was intending to travel he would have seen me already in the road and not sped out towards me forcing me into the situation when I had no option to reverse out of his way when I had right of way over him, If I didn't reverse both lanes would have been blocked and we would have all sat there all day bringing the flow of traffic to a stand still causing a major jam.


If I really wanted to argue this further I could say that given how behind was clear when I looked behind before reversing, theres no way the car behind could have got behind me so quick without seeing I was already reversing towards him given the 5mph speed limit of the car park, so I could say the driver of the car behind was a bash for cash chancer, saw what was going on infront of him and sped up behind me so that I would hit him.

I could say given his appearence and that he had an old beat up looking car anyway that his insurance company wouldn't have thought twice about writing off if there was even a minor crack in his bumper that this backs up the argument up that he wouldn't of cared about sustaining damage and claiming off my insurance but then that would be me stereotyping, which I'm not, I'm just saying..

In the end all I can say is that I was very lucky there was no actual damage to our cars to go through the insurance companies about, and when the other driver saw there was no damage to claim for and saw that I was a tattood skin head towering over him he was quick to wanna shake hands and put it down to the lorry driver and not try and cry 'whiplash' instead in the hope of a claim, and no I didn't try to intimidate him in anyway into doing this and we was both very friendly and so was the witnesses.

And yes the damage received to my bumper was from me not seeing the very narrow wooden structure of the trolley park place so I have since went for it and purchased an ST rear bumper to replace it and I'll now gradually begin to convert my focus into a mk2 ST replica.
johnH
i fully understand your frustration at this, i too would be well pissed....but things happen and i put them down to one of life's lessons.

however with the gift of hindsight, i would of stayed still and let him hit me...that way as you said yourself, he would be to blame.

also im not sure but in that scenerio of him hitting you, he may have CCTV fitted to his vehicle i know the buses do...helps in claims where accidents and people claim injuries.
Brigante
[quote name='johnH' timestamp='1344278773' post='199221']
i fully understand your frustration at this, i too would be well pissed....but things happen and i put them down to one of life's lessons.

however with the gift of hindsight, i would of stayed still and let him hit me...that way as you said yourself, he would be to blame.

also im not sure but in that scenerio of him hitting you, he may have CCTV fitted to his vehicle i know the buses do...helps in claims where accidents and people claim injuries.
[/quote]

I know mate that's exactly how I'm seeing it, things happen. Only thing I was worried about is my missus, and only reason I didn't stay still and let him hit me is she was sitting in the passenger seat so It would have been her getting the brunt of it, otherwise I would of just sat there and let him hit me.
johnH
ahhh bosh, you can always trade her in for a new younger model ;P

but yeah i know what you mean lol


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