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Wayney
hey guys

I got a focus 1.8 TDDI estate recently, and the oil light keeps flashing... seems to be worse when accellerating. Ive been told it may be a pressure switch, but after looking in the engine, i came across what looks like fresh oil... ive enclosed some pics of the oil patches, and the area where i noticed it.

Any ideas would be appreciated...

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[img]http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo182/wayneybabe/CIMG2274_1024x768.jpg[/img]

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Andy H Dibley
Silly question, but you have checked you are filled up to the top with oil?
Wayney
yeah, levels are fine, and not noticed it go down at all
dezwez
i would do the pressure switch, and see if it fixs it
frist
Wayney
Is oil around that joint normal though?
ChrisH
Oil can seep all over the place. I would agree, do the pressure switch, and clean this area. Check again after a drive, and see if there is any oil there. Do you get oil drips on the floor whilst parked??
Wayney
Not noticed any drips yet. Nor any signs of the oil level going down... Is the switch easy to find/do for a total novice? My mechanic will do it pretty cheap otherwise
dezwez
let your mechanic do it if its cheap if it go,s worng it down to him to sort
should be easy to do
Pitmonster
[quote name='Wayney' timestamp='1344713601' post='200363']
Is oil around that joint normal though?
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Give that joint a thorough clean, and then keep a close eye on it.
If fresh oil appears, you have the culprit.
If no fresh oil appears, then what you see now is just a slow accumulated build up over time.
Wayney
Thanks for the replies guys! I'll give the engine a clean monday and get the oil pressure switch replaced, then keep a close eye on the dirty area and see if that stays clean :) I've only had it a week, and already some faults, so just a little paranoid i guess lol
Andy H Dibley
It'll be fine!

If the levels are all ok and there is oil sloshing around, you're not about to seize up, which is the important thing!
Wayney
Ok, got the oil pressure switch fitted today (pics added), however after 10 mins of driving the light came back on as normal.... What would be the next step? or what could it be? theres still no obvious sign of any actual leak, i dont see its a wire/lose connection since it only starts when the engine is warmed up, and linked to accelleration etc

sorry for the poor quality, they were taken on my phone

[IMG]http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo182/wayneybabe/switch1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo182/wayneybabe/switch2.jpg[/IMG]
soulman123
I'm no expert but could disconecting the battery help ?

failing that it may be a a add a short or a faulty bulb on the dash.

Wayney
i thought/bulb or wire, but surely it would then happen all the time? not only when the engine is hot
stef123
Failing oil pump?
Wayney
why does that sound bad? lol.. we will have 3 months parts/labour warrenty... just waiting for the paperwork to come through. Would that be covered on it? and how do i find out if it IS the pump?
stef123
It might do.

You need to have the oil pressure tested. Any good garage should have the kit for this
Wayney
ok, will contact the garage tomorrow! IF it is that, is it a pricey job? ive seen on euro car parts the kit is around £60... but how long would it usually take a garage to do?
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]If you have recently, say in the last 3 months bought the car from a garage, you should be able to get it fixed under warranty.[/font][/size][/color]
Wayney
hmmm... got it a week ago! lol W reg, paid £1200.... the garage owners are away for 2 weeks in France.. they get back next Monday
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Regardless of price the garage is responsible for selling a car that is fit for purpose, normally a garage would want to fix the fault and keep you happy to maintain there reputation, [/font][/size][/color][color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] any problems then talk to trading standards at your local council.[/font][/size][/color]
stef123
Not sure what is involved specifically for your car but the sump needs to be removed to get at the pump.
So probably a few hours labour, pump kit and sealant for the sump.
It could be the pickup for the pump just needs cleaned!
Andy H Dibley
+1 above.

Either that or some blocked oil lines. When was the last time it had a thorough oil and filter change?

The previous pressure switch might not have been faulty and was genuinely telling you the pump or lines weren't supplying enough pressure under hard acceleration.

Worth a punt giving it a full oil and filter change and maybe even using one of those gunk removing products.
Andy H Dibley
Oh add to that seeing as you got it only a week ago I would've taken it back by now.

Hate to break it to you but spending money on a car you've just bought is not on, especially north of 1k isn't on. The only thing is they might look dimly on you already changing things on it.
NorthSussex
[quote name='Andy H Dibley' timestamp='1345104464' post='201271']
Oh add to that seeing as you got it only a week ago I would've taken it back by now.

Hate to break it to you but spending money on a car you've just bought is not on, especially north of £1k isn't on. The only thing is they might look dimly on you already changing things on it.
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I totally agree, so many posts relate to faults on recently bought cars that the owners are trying to fix themselves instead of returning them to the garage under warranty, it's a no brainer. :huh: [/font][/size][/color]
Wayney
the main issue was we pushed him to get the car ready (new MOT & Clutch) as ours had died and he was going to France the following day... He wont be back till next Monday... so fingers crossed it will be ok till then and i'll give him a call... he seems to have a good reputation, so hopefully he will get it sorted for us. We will be covering a lot of miles over the next 6 weeks or so and really dont need car troubles!
Wayney
As for the oil, It had a full ford service until 80k... since then it appears to have been done, the oil filter looks fairly recent (not mucky like some ive seen), all the levels are good and the oil doesnt look grubby or thick. so i assume its all been done ok, but nothing to prove it
soulman123
I was just having a guess :) I'd stick with what the expert panel say. Definitely worth telling the dealership.

Wayney
just an update. Still not resolved the issue. Spoken to the warrenty company who said it sounds more like a wear and tear issue, and they would only fix in the event of a mechanical breakdown.

Cant seem to get hold of the garage we purchased it from, although he doesnt seem to want to help anyway!

Spoke to trading standards. They said if the problems are age/mile related, then there isnt too much we can do. However its the garages responsibility to do a burn of proof? basically a report to evidence that the fault IS age/mile related. Which it seems by the time they find the fault, might as well just fix it at the same time lol
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]If the car is not fit for purpose the you are entitled to return it and get a full refund, a good leverage option if the garage is uncooperative is to park the car outside of the garage with a big sign in the windscreen stating the problem; phone the local paper,lock it up and walk away. [/font][/size][/color]
Wayney
spoke to the garage... i metioned trading standards and he spat his dummy out, threatening to hang up!

He wont cover any expenses till the problem is diagnosed, even then he may not do. He's basically saying the same as the warrenty company, that its running fine, so its not his problem.
Wayney
other thing. IF we managed to just give it back and get a refund (dont think he would go for it) then we would lose out on what we spent. Fan belt (£56), Oil pressue switch (£15) and the cambelt (£110)!
stef123
Unfortunately with dealers and many other things, what the law states means absolutely nothing! They will do what they want anyway because they know nothing will come out of it.

I would still suggest you have the oil pressure tested though mate, for your own peace of mind of nothing else.

If you were closer I would have helped you out
Wayney
not many places local have the kit for testing... nearest i found is Ford, they want £50 for it, just dont have the £££'s at the moment :(
Wayney
when calling around the garages, they keep asking what the problem is. Once explained they tell me the best step would be oil and filter change.... could this be the problem ?
Wayney
ok, i checked the oil again and there was way too much, so i just drained about a litre out, so its around what it should be now. Also i have unplugged the pressure switch, I was told if unplugged and the light still flashed then it would be a wiring problem. So will give it a day or two, if no light then plug the switch back in, if still no light im guessing too much oil was the cause... failing that will just have to get the pressure tested.
NorthSussex
[quote name='Wayney' timestamp='1346153714' post='203736']
other thing. IF we managed to just give it back and get a refund (dont think he would go for it) then we would lose out on what we spent. [b][color=#ff0000]Fan belt (£56), Oil pressue switch (£15) and the cambelt (£110)![/color][/b]
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]You hadn't mentioned before, but as you have already started to spend money on the car I guess you must have been aware when you bought it that it wasn't in A1 condition, it sounds like the warranty was not worth the paper it was written on, put that purchase down to experience and don't get caught by a rogue car dealer next time. Normally the oil light coming on indicates low oil pressure, so be sure to get the oil problem checked out before more possible damage to the engine is caused from having an lubrication issue. [/font][/size][/color]
Wayney
We thought the car was sound. Test drove fine, hes refusing to do anything, and since i use the car for work (courier) i had to get things done. But buying the car took our budget. The stuff i did today made no difference, so tomorrow will try and get the pressure tested and see what happens :( kinda wishing we hadnt bothered now, last car we got we ended up with endless problems and really messed us up financially. can see this doing the same!
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It's a shame that you have been let down by a local car dealer, sometimes cars at that price have been part exchanged at another garage because of there age and problems, these cars are then passed on through the trade to other dealers who specialise in low price cars, I part exchanged my 1999 Mondeo for £600 it had a string of faults but the garage wasn't interested in the faults as it would be sold from a low price dealers car lot, it wouldn't have been economical for the garage to correct all the faults so the buyer gets lumbered in sorting it out. At the price you [/font][/size][size=5]paid for the car you may have been better off buying privately. I hope you get it sorted without too much expense. Good luck.[/size][/color]
Wayney
Had it pressure tested today. The first test showed it wasnt losing pressure, so they put on another switch (black one not green), then test drove it and the light again came on. They then did another pressure test with the engine hot and found it did lose pressure very suddenly. So they did an oil/filter change and engine flush and still not sorted. They now say the next option would be the oil pump which will be around £300-£350... kinda feel like giving up now and scrapping the damn thing :(

the work today cost £112. So thats £130 already spent on the damn thing
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]What a nightmare, I would contact trading standards one more time to see if they can help now you have a report.[/font][/size][/color]
stef123
could also be a problem with the oil pressure relief valve - or whatever ford want to call it..
Wayney
yeah, apparently thats inside the oil pump... the pump itself is on euro car parts for £60, just seems to be labour thats the nasty bit! i think i can get it down a bit though. But need it done by the weekend.. doing a 500 mile trip Monday to see my daughter... really cant let her down :(
Wayney
having had the switch, oil and filter replaced. Apart from the pump, is there anything else that it could be? We dont think its wiring due to the fact it only flashes when hot, and more so when accellerating etc. Does the pump come with the pressure release valve? dont want to spend out that much money to then still have the problem!
stef123
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yeah, apparently thats inside the oil pump... the pump itself is on euro car parts for £60, just seems to be labour thats the nasty bit! i think i can get it down a bit though. But need it done by the weekend.. doing a 500 mile trip Monday to see my daughter... really cant let her down :(
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yeah it probably is inside the pump - the sudden drop of pressure would indicate to me that something has opened so my money is on the pressure relief part of it.

are you supplying the parts to the garage? remember you will get 25% off through the forum unless of course they have any better deals on
Wayney
yeah i will supply myself... how do i get 25% off?
stef123
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yeah i will supply myself... how do i get 25% off?
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enter into the promotion/discount code box at checkout - FOCCOM25 (if memory serves me right)

even better, enter MIDMONTH30 for 30% off. so not too bad at £42!
Wayney
yeah thats a bargain! shame our local stores are out of stock though... grrr! will call tomorrow, see if they know what kind of times they get delivered... thanks :) the garage who quoted today was £80 for the part, then 3 and a half hours at £52 an hour... going to call a mobile guy who did my cambelt, he charges £35, then £45 for the pump makes it not quite so painful... bad enough though lol... When replacing the pump, is there anything else i would need to supply? does the pump come with the pressure release valve etc?
Andy H Dibley
Bloody hell, what a nightmare!

Really sorry to hear your woes! I had a similar issue with a car a while back. Bought from a dealer, a couple of weeks later an electrical fault developed. Was an intermittent one and although it didn't stop the car is boiled the battery. Rang the dealer up he basically laughed at me and said if it starts drives and stops its not his issue.

Hope the pump will sort it for you fella. By the sounds of it, I guess who ever had the car before you wasn't clued up on the fault and just poured more oil in.
Wayney
It's in the garage as we speak, hes taking the sump off and checking for blockages/crap in it, he also pointed out the O rings are worn out, so hes going to replace them. So just keeping fingers crossed. Otherwise the oil pump is ordered and should be fitted tomorrow... bye bye bank balance :(


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