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stewart_2004
Hi I have just got myself a 1.8 Zetec I got the car cheap as it was sold with engine problems the owner thought it was a snapped timing belt. I have had a quick look inside the covers and the belt still seems to be holding tention. I will have a closer look when I get a chance. What signs should I be looking out for when I have a look the car hasn't lost any fluids the are all at normal level I will try and turn the engine over by hand and see how it feels. If the belt has gone whats the cheapest option to get it fixed fix engine or get a 2nd hand one ?

Regards Stew
SierraYankee99
Depends on the level of damage. If the belt has indeed snapped you're at least going to be looking at bent valves, possible piston damage. Might be as easy to get a reconditioned engine.
stewart_2004
Hi thanks for your reply I will have a closer look & see what damage has been done.
stewart_2004
Well today I had chance to have a good look at the car, I turned the engine over by hand and the belt has not snapped and there is no problems when it is turning it all seems to turn smooth. So I tryed to start the car and the battery was dead so after getting a new one I tryed it, and all that happens is the engine makes a clicking noise no attemp to start or turn over it just continusly clicks ?

does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong ?

regards

stew
SierraYankee99
Sounds like the starter motors bust mate.
stewart_2004
[quote name='SierraYankee99' post='12791' date='Feb 21 2009, 04:59 PM']Sounds like the starter motors bust mate.[/quote]
Ok thanks for advice can I give it tap with a hammer to try and free it up ?
SierraYankee99
You can do what you like its your car lol.


Checklist, the clicking you hear is the relay so its unlikely to be that.

A1: CHECK THE BATTERY
A2: CHECK THE STARTER RELAY
A3: CHECK VOLTAGE TO STARTER RELAY CIRCUIT 50 - BB17 (GY/OG)
A4: CHECK CIRCUIT 50 - BB12 (GY) FOR OPEN
A5: CHECK THE STARTER MOTOR FEED
A6: CHECK OPERATION OF GEARSHIFT MODE SWITCH CIRCUIT 50S - BB12 (GY) AND 50 - BB14 (GY/RD) (AUTOMATIC TRANSAXLE)


I'd do the easy checks before all this. Check the leads to the starter arent loose.
stewart_2004
thanks for all your help sorry for more questions but where will find the starter relay ?
SierraYankee99
The starter relays fine mate, thats whats clicking.

What I'd do is check the leads to the starter are tight and connecting. If they are get a meter on the leads and check if theres power to them when you turn the key. If not, it could be as simple as a fuse. If there is, you're back to the motor itself, and its likely to be the solenoid thats sticking.
stewart_2004
lol my fault didnt read your reply right looks like i will need to invest in a haynes manual
SierraYankee99
Reread it mate, I added some.
stewart_2004
Right I had a play today with the car fully charged battery one hammer and starter motor lol I gently hit the starter afew times tryed to crank engine still click did it again noting a little harder and the cam shafts started moving but was still not turning fast enough coould it just be a faulty starter ?
SierraYankee99
[quote name='SierraYankee99' post='12791' date='Feb 21 2009, 04:59 PM']Sounds like the starter motors bust mate.[/quote]


Do you think :wacko:
stewart_2004
well tryed a new starter today but engine is still doing the same thing just turning over really slowly any ideas what could be wrong ?
gaz6076
How many times did you turn the engine by hand?

Try taking the plugs out and crank it. See if it turns over any quicker.
stewart_2004
HI Gaz I turned the engine over by hand about 4 times. I have fully charged the battery and when I crank it im getting 10V on the volt meter. I will try and take the plugs out and see what happens.
stewart_2004
Last night I had a play with the car to see if I could get it started first thing was I checked the earh leads all looked clean starter motor cables were secured ok. tryed to start the car I could hear the fuel pump kicking in, but still the cams spin slow this time it made a few popping noises along the way. So I removed the plugs and tryed to turn by hand still seemed ok. tryed to crank car with plugs out to see if that speeded things up but still no joy. Removed the rocker cover and cheked the timing marks & they looked as if they were alligened correctly.

I made a few videos to show whats actually happening sorry for poor quality It was on my phone.

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gaz6076
That sounds terrible :( Doesnt seem like the engine is turning over slow tho. Have you tried a compression test? Do you know if your getting any oil pressure?
w2575
Could be cam or crankshaft problems internally !!!! best way to find this out is to drop the sump and check for metallic particals or whole pieces of metal, from your video it sounds terrible !!!!! maybe best off with a second hand engine !
stewart_2004
Hi how can I see if im getting oil pressure ? i will do a compression test tomorrow.
gaz6076
Its just like doing a compression test. Only you take out the oil pressure switch instead of the plugs.
stewart_2004
Thanks gaz can I just use my compression tester for the oil aswell then ?

Also is it the switch near the oil filter ?
stewart_2004
I tried to do a compression test on the car tonight but for some reason my Gunson tester wont screw into the focus spark plug holes even though it looks the correct size. this is the tester I have

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So then I tryed to check the timing and set the cams to TDC as I purchased the laser camshaft tool and crankshaft pins to see if everyhing was timed ok. In the haynes it says to align both cams and then lock them with the tool but I cant seem to get mine to both line up The front cam which I take it its the exhaust seems to be always abit off when the rear cam cut out it horizontal no matter how hard I try the wont line up am I doing something wrong ?
gaz6076
If you p.m me with your email address and the engine code I can send you everything you need to know about timing the engine up. The oil pressure switch should be on the side of the block somewhere. Never changed one so cant say where exactly. But I can try find out for you.
stewart_2004
HI Gaz thanks for that were will I find the engine code ?

regards

stew
gaz6076
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stewart_2004
Nice one Gaz I will have a look in the morning.
stewart_2004
Please can someone tell me where the timing mark which is shown on the pic. Is it on the sump somewhere ?
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/stewart29992000/timing_mark.gif[/img]
gaz6076
Turn the crankshaft to TDC on no.1 cylinder. The timing mark should be aligned like in the pic (2)
stewart_2004
Thats the problem Im having I can see the two marks on the crankshaft pulley but I cant see where it needs to be aligned to. is it a mark on the sump or engine block ?
gaz6076
Having never done one I can't be sure. But (3) is the crankshaft pulley so it can't be that hard to spot. Make sure you're on TDC at piston 1, it's possible that you could be 180* out so you might not see the marks like in the picture
stef123
why not take the spark plug out of cylinder one and put a piece of rod or something down it and turn the engine over by hand, when the rod reaches its highest point you will know its more or less at TDC? and then the marks should line up...
stewart_2004
I tryed the screwdriver down the No.1 plug and got it to the highest point and the cms were out but I did manage to find the timing mark on the engine and thats was lined up. So im gonna have to set the cams i think.
stewart_2004
Heres a pic of the timing mark if anyones intrested. It was taken from focusfanatics.com

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/stewart29992000/timing_mark-1.jpg[/img]
its just to the right of the 2nd paint mark.
fordtech
You've certainly got no compression , have you had the rocker box off to check the actual cam are spinning?
As for timing it's quite simple , drop the bottom pulley off and turn the crank till the wood ruff key is at 12 o'clock , you should then be able to line the 2 cut outs in the cams up , if the cams don't line up you could try slackening the cam pulleys and resetting the timing just to see what happens but you'll probably end up pulling the head off.
stewart_2004
Hi Fordtech,

I have had the cam cover off and the cams are spinning there is a video on page 2. I will take off the bottom pulley and dp what you said.

regards

stew
stewart_2004
Does anyone know what size spanner I need to use to hold the cams while I undo the sprocket bolts ?
stewart_2004
Well over the weekend I had another play with the focus. I tryed to set the cams to TDC so I could use the holding bar. So I slackend off the cam sprockets and alligened the slots so that the bar could fit in I had already set the bottom timing using the timing pin. put it all back together and nothing. its still doing the same thing. looks like im gonna have to take the head off.
stewart_2004
Ive just done a compression test on car and all 4 spark plugs read 0 the gaugue didnt even move I have the right connector and the compressor works as I tried it on another car is this pointing to internal damage ?
stewart_2004
Hey everyone not been on here for a while havent toutched the focus for abit aswell but finally got round to stripping it down. Once I got the head off I found that all 8 of the exhaust valves were bent. So I took the head to a engine specialist to have a look at and they said it will cost me 90 for 8 new valves fitted and a head skim is this a good price ?

Also Ive had the passangers drive shaft apart and there is a problem with the tripod one of the bearing has come off do I need to replace the whole tripod or can I get just a new bearing ?
stewart_2004
Anyone ?
gaz6076
90 seems reasonable for getting new valves and a skim. I would be wanting new inlet valves aswell just to be on the safe side. The one thing you've got to ask yourself is, what caused the valves to bend in the first place?

The 3 bearings on the tripod can be removed and refitted fairly easily. If it's just popped of due to the way you've removed the drivshaft then it should just pop back on. Check is not rough or anything though. If it is I would suggest getting a new tripod. They're not that expensive.
stewart_2004
Hi Gaz,

It looks like the belt slipped due to missing teeth so thats whats help to bent the valves. I have checked the piston heights and all look ok so no con rod damage. As with the tripod I was told that you cant buy them seperatly you have to get full drive shaft any ideas where I can get them from ?
gaz6076
Well if that's the cause then a new set of valves and a belt kit should have you sorted ;)

If were both talking about the same thing (cant think of what else it can be) then you can definitely buy them separately.

Any good motor factors will do them. Don't know if there will be a dingbros round your way. They're probably the biggest round my end.
stewart_2004
Last night I fitted the gearbox and block back into the car should have head back any day soon then back on with rebuilding it. just need to sort the shafts.

Gaz heres a pic of the tripod [url="http://autorepair.about.com/library/graphics/cv_joint.gif"]http://autorepair.about.com/library/graphics/cv_joint.gif[/url]

when doing a cv joint how much grease do I need to add to the boot ?
stewart_2004
Also in the drive shafts is it only the passanger side that has a circlip goint into transmission end ?
bill07
yes the driver side is held in place by the intermediate drive shaft bearing bracket
stewart_2004
Cheers Bill, how much cv grease do I need to add into the inner cvs ?


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