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johnS
Hi,

I believe my car will require an input shaft bearing job to be done soon, it's whining in every gear now. Just wondering what would have to be done to change it? Does this seem right or am I missing tasks out? (see picture attached)
stef123
It will be a fairly labour intensive job, removing the box will probably take the average person a few hours.

the hardest part will probably be getting the shafts out
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346097494' post='203648']
It will be a fairly labour intensive job, removing the box will probably take the average person a few hours.

the hardest part will probably be getting the shafts out
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does the jobs in the image show all of what has to be done?
stef123
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1346097755' post='203649']
does the jobs in the image show all of what has to be done?
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yes to some extent but there is alot to some of those things.
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346098347' post='203650']
yes to some extent but there is alot to some of those things.
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it says here 5 hours labour to do it. Is that right then? It gives me the costs so I know what it costs before I go, I want to make sure it's accurate and I havent missed anything
STEADS
If its anything like a mondeo its seven hours just on and off without messin with internals not realy a job to be doing on yer back had a mates mondeo clutch changed at another mates garage for him and that was seven hours on a ramp and the one shaft was a bitch for them to get out
stef123
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1346098484' post='203652']
it says here 5 hours labour to do it. Is that right then? It gives me the costs so I know what it costs before I go, I want to make sure it's accurate and I havent missed anything
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Those figures will be based on a mechanic working in a fully equipped garage so you can change that to all day to be honest mate if you are working on the drive.

are you looking to have it done at a garage or DIY?
johnS
[quote name='STEADS' timestamp='1346098557' post='203653']
If its anything like a mondeo its seven hours just on and off without messin with internals not realy a job to be doing on yer back had a mates mondeo clutch changed at another mates garage for him and that was seven hours on a ramp and the one shaft was a bitch for them to get out
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gearbox has been out already before, was 4 hours to change a clutch
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346098594' post='203654']
Those figures will be based on a mechanic working in a fully equipped garage so you can change that to all day to be honest mate if you are working on the drive.

are you looking to have it done at a garage or DIY?
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haha no, these things are wayyy over my head, i'm looking to get a ford dealer to do it, i've got the labour rates of my local garage and i've put it into this software to see how much it's going to cost me, just confirming if the software is correct to get an accurate cost
stef123
the mk3 mondeo (not sure about others) requires the subframe to be dropped to get the gearbox out, so i guess thats where the time went?

if you allowed 4 hours to remove/replace the box, 2 hours to replace the bearing, and an extra hour or so for any unexpected problems.

so at a ford dealer charging £80 an hour? thats a fair whack excluding parts...
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346098973' post='203657']
the mk3 mondeo (not sure about others) requires the subframe to be dropped to get the gearbox out, so i guess thats where the time went?

if you allowed 4 hours to remove/replace the box, 2 hours to replace the bearing, and an extra hour or so for any unexpected problems.

so at a ford dealer charging £80 an hour? thats a fair whach excluding parts...
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£90 an hour here at a ford dealer, yes it says here for my car it takes 3.0hrs to remove the gearbox, then 1.8 hours to remove the parts of the gearbox to get to the input shaft.
stef123
3 hours just to remove it? what about refitting it?
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346099232' post='203660']
3 hours just to remove it? what about refitting it?
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3.0hours to remove and fit
stef123
[quote name='johnS' timestamp='1346099379' post='203662']
3.0hours to remove and fit
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so 5 hours roughly if there are no problems (rusted bolts etc), i would make that atleast 6.
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346099673' post='203663']
so 5 hours roughly if there are no problems (rusted bolts etc), i would make that atleast 6.
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yeah, but remember the car has had the clutch done about 9 months ago so I shouldn't expect it to be hard because the gearbox has been removed recently?

i still wouldnt rule out the possibility as they will be stripping the gearbox you never know what you are going to uncover tbh
artscot79
like i said it was cheaper to trade it in the figures assume everything goes to plan and no other issues are found opening the box i can say for fact its 2hours to get the box out max then theres the stripping etc another 1 to 3 hours dependant on any issues then the refit around 1.5hrs then the oil etc a gearbox specialist said 700 assuming there were no issues once they opened the box
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1346103288' post='203674']
like i said it was cheaper to trade it in the figures assume everything goes to plan and no other issues are found opening the box i can say for fact its 2hours to get the box out max then theres the stripping etc another 1 to 3 hours dependant on any issues then the refit around 1.5hrs then the oil etc a gearbox specialist said 700 assuming there were no issues once they opened the box
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how is it cheaper to trade in? My cars value is about £2000 still
johnS
These are the times on the software:

[b]Transaxle/Transmission - Remove And
Install[/b] - 3.00hrs

[b]Bearing - Input Shaft - Renew[/b] - 0.2hrs

[b]Input Shaft, Output Shafts, Differential,
Counter Shaft - Remove And Install
(Transmission Assembly Removed)[/b] - 1.8hrs
artscot79
thats what the software states in the real world in the garage that means squat ceased bolts etc etc they wont do it in the time stated as theres so many unknowns once the box is out and split they check all the other parts even the specialist i went to gave it 6hours dependant on what they find when they get into the box you assume only that bearing needs done 7 times out of 10 theres summat else. ive been there mate spoke to ford and gearbox specialists and they state 6 to 7 hours which is almost what the computer says so thats around 600 labour then theres the gasket the oil and the bearing oil seals and vat around 700 quid as i was told.
2grand in todays market private sale with the box fixed you would be hard pushed to sell at that price as the market is flooded with focis the mk1 being not as desirable anymore thats just the way it is trade in youll be lucky to get 1000 quid for it fixed take it to any dealer and ask you may be shocked thats why i traded in private i would have got 14 to 1500 minus the gearbox repair at 700 thats 7to800 for the car trade in 1000 i was better off trading in.
the main reason was the unknown what else would be found when the gearbox was opened how much extra would i have to pay i was told worst case get it rebuilt or get a replacement box at around 350quid for a decent one the bill could end up over 1000 wasnt worth the risk
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1346111245' post='203689']
thats what the software states in the real world in the garage that means squat ceased bolts etc etc they wont do it in the time stated as theres so many unknowns once the box is out and split they check all the other parts even the specialist i went to gave it 6hours dependant on what they find when they get into the box you assume only that bearing needs done 7 times out of 10 theres summat else. ive been there mate spoke to ford and gearbox specialists and they state 6 to 7 hours which is almost what the computer says so thats around 600 labour then theres the gasket the oil and the bearing oil seals and vat around 700 quid as i was told.
2grand in todays market private sale with the box fixed you would be hard pushed to sell at that price as the market is flooded with focis the mk1 being not as desirable anymore thats just the way it is trade in youll be lucky to get 1000 quid for it fixed take it to any dealer and ask you may be shocked thats why i traded in private i would have got 14 to 1500 minus the gearbox repair at 700 thats 7to800 for the car trade in 1000 i was better off trading in.
the main reason was the unknown what else would be found when the gearbox was opened how much extra would i have to pay i was told worst case get it rebuilt or get a replacement box at around 350quid for a decent one the bill could end up over 1000 wasnt worth the risk
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I dunno, the clutch was done 8 months ago, they did it in 4.5hrs I believe, surely the bolts wont have rusted on etc in the past 8 months?
artscot79
you miss the point the clutch is easy they have to strip the gearbox remove the casing to get to the gear mechanism strip that to get to the bearing its a big job and labour will be 600 or more id call and get some qoutes but it sounds as if youve underestimated the work involved
stef123
Is using an indy garage an option? It should bring your labour cost down..
artscot79
problem these days steff is a lot of garages dont want to do these jobs they make as much doing brakes and exhausts but i agree shop around get qoutes but you want a good place at the same time with a good rep
STEADS
Why not just buy a second hand or recon box surley cheaper in the end run
johnS
[quote name='stef123' timestamp='1346133727' post='203696']
Is using an indy garage an option? It should bring your labour cost down..
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It is an option, dont know if the garages near me will do gearbox work though as it;s a specialist thing isnt it?

TBH I am going to just leave it and wait for the thing to collapse, it may get another 40,000mls? Wha'd you reckon!?
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1346114328' post='203692']
you miss the point the clutch is easy they have to strip the gearbox remove the casing to get to the gear mechanism strip that to get to the bearing its a big job and labour will be 600 or more id call and get some qoutes but it sounds as if youve underestimated the work involved
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i'll probably leave it then
johnS
[quote name='STEADS' timestamp='1346142843' post='203709']
Why not just buy a second hand or recon box surley cheaper in the end run
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Where do you get a second hand gearbox from? Couldnt find many on ebay
STEADS
[sup][size=5]There are specalist breakers around that just deal in fords and some just in the focus one i know is in dewsbury yorkshire give it a google an see what you come up with should be plenty out there [/size][/sup]
johnS
[quote name='STEADS' timestamp='1346155116' post='203748']
[sup][size=5]There are specalist breakers around that just deal in fords and some just in the focus one i know is in dewsbury yorkshire give it a google an see what you come up with should be plenty out there [/size][/sup]
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Would it be cheaper than getting the input shaft done?
artscot79
depends you can buy a second hand box and have the same issues it wont be cheaper as theres the cost of removing the old box then removing the old but new clutch swap them over with the box you just bought have the oil checked then have that box fitted so its not going to be that much cheaper a decent second hand box is around £300 a recon box is at least double that amount if you can do any of that work youreself youll save a smal fortune
johnS
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1346175660' post='203813']
depends you can buy a second hand box and have the same issues it wont be cheaper as theres the cost of removing the old box then removing the old but new clutch swap them over with the box you just bought have the oil checked then have that box fitted so its not going to be that much cheaper a decent second hand box is around £300 a recon box is at least double that amount if you can do any of that work youreself youll save a smal fortune
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yeah, maybe it will be the end of my car then, when the bearing eventually dies, just dunno when the bearing will die
stef123
[quote name='artscot79' timestamp='1346175660' post='203813']
depends you can buy a second hand box and have the same issues it wont be cheaper as theres the cost of removing the old box then removing the old but new clutch swap them over with the box you just bought have the oil checked then have that box fitted so its not going to be that much cheaper a decent second hand box is around £300 a recon box is at least double that amount if you can do any of that work youreself youll save a smal fortune
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they wont need to touch the clutch if they are just swapping gearboxes..
artscot79
thats true only problem is you dont know what youre getting get some qoutes you may find a garage that will do it cheaper
Stoney871
Most companies that do reconditioned units will usually take your old box as part exchange.
johnS
UPDATE: Still not fixed. Dont think its the input shaft bearing anymore, as although not completly quiet, it is near silent at idle. Been about 5,000mi since last update and it has got worse, by a little. It must be something else. What do you reckon?


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