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clubber
What do I need to retrofit auto lights and wipers to my facelift 2008 ST?

Anyone done it? Do you have the finis codes?
artscot79
i believe pree has done it and has a guide
clubber
I can't find a guide for it in the focus guides section or in Preees guides. Do you have a link?
mixmasterlooney

Rising up and oldie. I'm doing some research on retrofitting auto lights, not bothered about auto wipers not that great. Did preee actually fit it because i cannot find the guide myself

giwrgos_ath

Have a look at this topic. I haven't fitted mine yet. Event though i have all the parts, i never found the time to do it. I might give it a try this weekend.

slartibartfast

I have a Ghia, so it has these as standard. I must say, although auto lights are nice, I would not miss them, but the auto wipers are great, whenever there was light or intermittent rain, I was always adjusting the intermittent wipers manualy on my previous cars, and still was not happy with the wipe interval, lt was always not right for the conditions. The auto wipers are not foolproof, but most of the time they adjust to the wipe speed/interval required perfectly, and I don't have to fret any more.

 

Phil.

mixmasterlooney

Thanks for the replies George and Phil. I had a good read of the forum, i will take a look and see if i have the loom, if not it will make my life a lot harder. Not sure about the sensors and what i will actually need. Is the sensor and mirror one unit or separate? will i need to purchase a new mirror? not clear from the post.

 

George or Phill if you get the time it would be really helpful if you could get some pics of the items you already have. I don't know what the auto wipers/light sensors and mirror look like compared to a car without so kind of going in blind when it comes to shopping. Ideally i'm only going after Auto lights, not fussed if i end up with auto wipers that would be a bonus

theduke

Id be interested in more info on this

 

etis tells me my car came with 'with auto headlamps' but 'less headlamp control' so im guessing i just need all the sensors and switch ?

mixmasterlooney

I took a look at the car and i believe i have the needed wiring.

 

On the left is what i suspect to be the loom for the sensors on the windscreen, on the right is the loom for bluetooth mic

 

 
Now only need a clear list of what parts to purchase i would be really greatful if anyone can show me a picture or a link of what the sensor unit actually look like or part number.
 
Is the unit for the automatic light and rain sensor one whole unit or two separate?
 
How is it attached to the windscreen?
artscot79

auto headlamps does not refer to what you think it refers to the fact if you switch the ignition off and pull the main beam on the lights will light the way then auto off after 30 secs

mixmasterlooney

auto headlamps does not refer to what you think it refers to the fact if you switch the ignition off and pull the main beam on the lights will light the way then auto off after 30 secs

 

That's follow me home lights mate and it isn't what i am after :P thank you though.

 

Just like to say the above picture is not the correct wire/connector for auto light or rain sensor

Captain Haddock
The rain sensor (positioned just below the mounting lug for the rear view mirror) is used by both Auto-Wipers and Auto-Lamps.
 
Pinout for the Rain Sensor Connector (located next to mirror mounting)
  C526-1 Green/Black +12v      to C98-11  (PJB) - this is ignition controlled via F100 (10A)
  C526-3 White/Green Signal   to C98-12 (PJB)
  C526-2 Black/Green Ground to C98-4   (PJB)
 
The C98 connector is the small square one that plugs into the top L/H corner of the PJB (Passenger Junction Box) next to fuses F100, F101 and F102.
 
In the image of C98 below I've marked the relevant wires from the 3-pin rain sensor connector (C526) with a blue dot.
 
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Depending upon the original specification of your Focus you may need to replace the PJB as the Autolamps relay is an internal component and may not be fitted to all versions of the PJB.

 

H.T.H.

 

@George

The large grey plug on the supplementary Mondeo harness doesn't look right for a Focus Mk2.5 PJB; compare the number of pins from the image of C98 above to the Mondeo's plug - it has only two rows of pins (and is too long) rather than the three rows required by the Focus Mk2.5

artscot79

nope on the ford etis its auto headlamps asked ford a long time ago it doesnt have any thing to do with auto headlights it means they switch off automatically when main beams put on follow me home lights come on automatically when exiting the car at night and stay on after the cars locked for 30 secs completely different setups

mixmasterlooney

nope on the ford etis its auto headlamps asked ford a long time ago it doesnt have any thing to do with auto headlights

Thank you dude, i understand what you are saying now.

 

Here is my reply to the other thread if anyone may need help with this, in my many research i dug up two threads covering the same subject(Did not start a third :D) but this should fully end all questions about it for anyone fitting it!

 

 

Thank you very much  :D i have been doing a lot of research all day and i have concluded all that is needed and this list is good. I don't know about the stalk for as i know the normal stalk for interval will adjust the sensitivity of the auto wipers.

 

The loom i won't need, nor do i think anyone else will either(Should already be there), the rest yes.

 

The above picture from my previous post is NOT the auto wipers/light loom that is incorrect.

 

This is the correct loom/connector for the auto wipers/light

 

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I am very confident that we all have the loom it took me a long time to find it because mine was wedged in a blob of glue behind some other loom under tape, it was very well hidden and hard to get out, took me some time with a flashlight cutting and pulling away the cable from the glue.
 
These two cables are directly in front of the lights under the bit of headliner between the windscreen and lights. Laid down flat in a blob of glue, it's worth having something sharp to peal away the tape and glue when checking for the loom.
 
The cables with the white connector is for the automatic dimming mirror and the cable with black connector is for the rain and light sensor.  The cable with black connector shown in my previous photo is for alarm sensor that goes into the light on some ST/RS model
 
Now i am a 100% sure i have the needed looms and the parts required, will get the parts soon and update after the install
giwrgos_ath

Rob, Thanks for the info. I'll have a look around today to see if i've got the loom hidden. I am sure that the parts i've got will still be compatible, even if have to get a new loom. correct?

 

Kurt, if i recall correctly, you will have to reprogram the car in order for the auto headlights to work.

 

Admins, could we merge those two topics? We will soon upload some more images from the installation.

JW1982

Also remember there are a few different types of windscreen available for the focus MK2 and MK2.5 which also have different rain/light sensors.

 

The version of the rain/light sensor you need depends on the type of windscreen that is actually fitted in the car. If you fit the wrong type of sensor the auto lights and rain sensor will not work correctly.

 

 

As far as i know there is a sensor for normally tinted windscreens with and without heating and there is a different sensor for infrared coated windscreens with and without heating. The infrared windscreens can be recognised by the IR logo on the windscreens.

artscot79

sounds like a lot of money and hassle for a set of lights that when my vw had i found to be more annoying than anything else and really do not miss the auto dim mirror ide like again that was very handy

giwrgos_ath

Right, as i said i started the project this weekend together with the armrest.

 

My main issue was the bracket that was different than my current one. The version with the sensor, uses the (old?) round version while the non-sensor ones, use the slide-on bracket. Haz93 mentioned that you can convert it somehow. In the images, you can see my results. It it quite stable, and cutting it with a hacksaw was easier than i thought.

 

 

Regarding the sensor options, i saw that there are only two versions for cars between 12/2007 and 06/2011. One without windshield heat shielding and another one with. Here are their part numbers

MODULE - WINDSHIELD RAIN SENSOR, LESS WINDSHIELD HEAT SHIELDING WITH AUTOMATIC WINDSCREEN WIPER (3S7T 17D547-AB / 1374370)

MODULE - WINDSHIELD RAIN SENSOR, WITH WINDSHIELD HEAT SHIELDING WITH AUTOMATIC WINDSCREEN WIPER (5M5T 17D547-JRC / 1670798)

giwrgos_ath

Updates: I just located the loom for the mirror and the sensor. I was really impressed to find it, as i didn't expect it would be there.

 

To find it, i removed the blinds from both sides, and there was a very long cable hidden somewhere, with two different ends, both of which had three pins. I cannot recall the colors. The cable was long enough to go all the way down to the mirror if pulled to full extend.

 

I connected the mirror and it works fine. I tested with a flashlight and it turns green. It needs a few seconds to do so, but the result is great. I just hope it will work during the night with my tinted rear windows. If not, i won't really care as it was a great mod that i enjoyed so far.

 

My issue was with the sensors however, since i couldn't make auto headlights work. I assume i will have to change the settings with the ELM config. The sensor i am trying to install is 3S7T 17D547-AA (instead of -AB), but the connectors are the same. Any info would be much appreciated.

mixmasterlooney

I have not looked at the mirror yet so not even what the pics mean to me atm mate. I wasn't aware there was an option for heated and not heated. Not fussed about this tbh.

 

Arthur the mod is really simple and cheap, it may look like a lot of work but believe me it isn't. I don't believe that you HAVE to install the auto dimming mirror as they are separate however if you do it will look complete. 

mixmasterlooney

Updates: I just located the loom for the mirror and the sensor. I was really impressed to find it, as i didn't expect it would be there.

 

To find it, i removed the blinds from both sides, and there was a very long cable hidden somewhere, with two different ends, both of which had three pins. I cannot recall the colors. The cable was long enough to go all the way down to the mirror if pulled to full extend.

 

I connected the mirror and it works fine. I tested with a flashlight and it turns green. It needs a few seconds to do so, but the result is great. I just hope it will work during the night with my tinted rear windows. If not, i won't really care as it was a great mod that i enjoyed so far.

 

My issue was with the sensors however, since i couldn't make auto headlights work. I assume i will have to change the settings with the ELM config. The sensor i am trying to install is 3S7T 17D547-AA (instead of -AB), but the connectors are the same. Any info would be much appreciated.

Yes it needs to be activated with ELM or £70 job done at ford. What is the difference between AA and AB mate?

 

I too was surprised to have it too mate :- ) Hidden well

giwrgos_ath

i don't think it's worth £70 to be honest. I'll probably follow Preee's guide. It works out much cheaper and you can then do more stuff while you are at it.

 

I haven't seen anyone saying that the -AA is also a lights sensor, so i am a bit worried that it might not fit. When i activate the sensor, if it still doesn't work, i'll know that i need a new sensor! :)

 

So far, this mod costed around £30 for all the parts including the mirror and sensors.

artscot79

thats cheap i meant ive read some on here have ahd whole windscreens replaced just to have the auto light sensor im interested in the auto dim rear mirror but ill leave the auto lights ive got all 10 pins on the light loom so was going to fit the bi xenon lights till i saw the prices a cost i just cant justify to be honest

mixmasterlooney

Oh dear, George i had a look too and it appears the AA only does rain from what i have read. Hopefully it does both mate because i am looking for to some inside and outside pics of it when from you! get them pics up bro!

 

A family member of mine has borrowed my laptop and never brought it back :- / possibly i will buy a netbook my car own personal tuning machine. 

 

Arthur the whole windscreen is an option indeed and a good one too if you don't have heated windscreen and want to upgrade to auto wipers/light and heated screen all in one go. Do it dude the mirror is like £15 or less on ebay, all wiring already there and nothing to activate for that feature.

 

I am also considering the bi xenon lights myself. Biggest problem holding me back with it though is that i think it requires washer jets to be legal... not sure... anyways i haven't seen any mods on how to install washer jets and headlight auto leveling

artscot79

im gonna do the mirror ive got the climate so heated windscreen anyway as for the bi xenon i dont think they came with washers on the ford as standard from what ive seen lets be honest everyone else is getting away with it with drls so what the heck

mixmasterlooney

No mate the DRL's are fully E marked and road legal in the UK, would not have installed them myself if it wasn't road legal. The e-mark and other info is printed on the lens of the DRL as they are with any other kind of lights.

 

Would love to have bi xenon but if it won't comply with the requirements of being legal it's a no go for me and it does indeed appears to be a hard mod...

artscot79
E marked drls arent legal mate as has been discussed theyy are only legal if fitted with washers and auto levelling sensors all aftermarket drls as vosa will tell you are in fact illegal to fit e marked or not

http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/38547-drl-and-side-light-legality/
Stoney871
Drl are fine, it's HID/zenon that aren't.
artscot79
Duh youre right goes to show how frazzled the brain gets at night lol
giwrgos_ath

What images do you need Kurt? Let me know and i'll try to get them for you.

giwrgos_ath

Anyone knows if i can use a wiper stalk from a different model (C-Max, Mondeo etc.)?  Will it be compatible and of the same shape?

mixmasterlooney

I don't know about the stalk but any pics of what the finish mod looks like, inside and out would be nice

giwrgos_ath

Guys, do you know if i need to install any fuse to make the auto headlights to work from the sensor?

 

I activated the auto headlamps through ELM and i've tried three different sensors so far but none of them worked.

3S7T 17D547-AA (HW 2.3, SW 10, 27-08-03)

3S7T 17D547-AA (HW 2.4, SW 10, 09-09-04)

3S7T 17D547-AB (HW 2.6, SW 11, 12-09-06)

 

I wouldn't like to buy a fourth without knowing if that will solve the problem.

 

I am thinking that it might be one of the missing fuses, so i ordered some to place them and test again. My current fuse box is this.

 

Also, as Captain Haddock suggested, the relay might not be present. Could it be the missing part from the top right, or is it definitely an internal part?

Captain Haddock

@George

The vacant position in the PJB next to the green connector is definately for the factory Daytime Running Lights relay (R15).

The factory DRLs for the Mk2.5 are a sort of resurection of the "Dim Dip" headlights that were touted many a year back (IIRC mid/late 1980's) where the dipped beam headlights are at about 80% brightness.  The factory DRLs are triggered by putting the lighting switch to AL (autolights) before switching on the ignition.  See this specfic post for details about retro-fitting the factory DRLs to a Mk2.5 Focus; page 64 of the Focus Mk2/Mk2.5 wiring diagram shows the relevant factory DRL segment.

The autolights (i.e. ambient light dependant switch on/off) relay is internal to the PJB; as are a few others (e.g. the low and high beam headlight relays).  Page 63 of the Focus Mk2/Mk2.5 wiring diagram shows the relevant autolights segment and it is the Rain Sensor (under the rearview mirror) that has the low light detector built in. 

 

Here's the rear view of the rain sensor on my 2008 Mk2.5 Titanium (Auto Wipers+Auto Lights)

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Looking at page 63 shows that the autolights relay only appears to switch on power to the front+rear sidelights which means that it's GEM segment of the PJB that triggers the low beam relay.

 

Maybe it's your PJB that can't/won't activate the low beam relay ?
 

giwrgos_ath

Thanks for your reply Rob.

 

So what you're saying is that it is probably an issue with the PJB rather than a missing fuse or incorrect sensor?

mixmasterlooney

Thanks for your reply Rob.

 

So what you're saying is that it is probably an issue with the PJB rather than a missing fuse or incorrect sensor?

 

What does this actually mean for you now? any progress on it so far?

 

Silly question mate but what about the talk and the auto switch? did you install them and set it to auto? I'm hoping to install this mod this weekend.

 

BTW how have you actually tested it to see if it works?

giwrgos_ath

I still haven't found a solution. I've ordered a multimeter hoping this could help somehow.

 

I did install a switch which had green illumination but i doubt that has anything to do with it. When setting to auto, the side lights come on but when i cover the sensor nothing happens. The ignition is "on" and i have installed some missing fuses just in case but still nothing.

 

I'll investigate further this weekend if i get some time. Let me know if this works for you. Most people around managed to complete the retrofit without issues.

mixmasterlooney

I still haven't found a solution. I've ordered a multimeter hoping this could help somehow.

 

I did install a switch which had green illumination but i doubt that has anything to do with it. When setting to auto, the side lights come on but when i cover the sensor nothing happens. The ignition is "on" and i have installed some missing fuses just in case but still nothing.

 

I'll investigate further this weekend if i get some time. Let me know if this works for you. Most people around managed to complete the retrofit without issues.

 

Although doubtful i would suggest ebay one or two of the sensors and get another switch. The econetic i rented once with auto lights did not switch on the sidelights when in auto. It turns on dipped beam instead (Of course that includes side lights) but it never switched on sidelights on it's own nor do know of any car with auto lights that does that so my suggestion is to try another switch, it's a shot in the dark but i think it's worth it.

 

Here is a rather decent deal mate http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mondeo-Mk3-2000-2007-Headlight-Adjust-Switch-Knob-Auto-Light-Setting-/181134835982?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AFord&hash=item2a2c7a410e

 

Did you change the stalk? not that you need to but did you set the stalk to intervals? that is the same as auto. 

 

And how did you test it what did you do? sorry for repeating but i'm curious

giwrgos_ath

As Haz93 suggested, you don't need to change the wiper stalk.

 

The switch that you linked, probably won't fit because it is a bit bigger (width/height) than the one used in Focus.

 

I tested simply by covering the sensor completely to simulate darkness. I haven't placed it properly on the windscreen yet.

 

I'll check the switch when i get some time, but i won't buy a new one just yet because it is hard to source a LHD one.

Haz93
Hey :)
Is that a slot in the circular part of the mirror?
The reason I ask is if you fit it on in that position the plastic cover to his wiring/sensor won't fit.
I shall post a pic of how it must be modded to fit with plastic trim.

Also you get my pm about the elm options??

Glad to know this is becoming a more popular mod, if anyone needs help/advice please feel free to ask :)
giwrgos_ath

Hello again Harrison.

 

I am not very sure what you mean about "the slot in the circular part of the mirror". If you are saying that the cover probably won't fit, i just took some images from a dry-run with the cover in place and it seems to be sitting nicely.

 

 

I did get your PM, and i've done all of your suggestions. Strangely the rain sensor works fine, so i'm starting to believe that is either the switch or as Rob suggested, the PJB.

 

I'll probably have a look this weekend.

 

Just a correction to my previous post, when i switch to "auto" nothing happens. not even the sidelights come on.

mixmasterlooney

oops my bad, indeed that switch will not fit. Harrison i wouldn't mind getting the same info too bro i will be fitting this mod soon.

 

George, the focus switch on ebay is £45+ but i would still recommend trying to different switch first, if the rain sensor works nothing should be missing or not working for the lights.

 

 

Harrison have you got any pics of yours fitted? has anyone added in some tints to hide away the cover of the rain sensor?

Haz93

Hello again Harrison.

 

I am not very sure what you mean about "the slot in the circular part of the mirror". If you are saying that the cover probably won't fit, i just took some images from a dry-run with the cover in place and it seems to be sitting nicely.

 

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I did get your PM, and i've done all of your suggestions. Strangely the rain sensor works fine, so i'm starting to believe that is either the switch or as Rob suggested, the PJB.

 

I'll probably have a look this weekend.

 

Just a correction to my previous post, when i switch to "auto" nothing happens. not even the sidelights come on.

Okay guess your mod to the mirror works better than mine lol, was viewing on iPhone before so only had a small image. I didnt go to the extent of cutting away at the mirror but seems like the plastic cover is a better fit on the windscreen as mine was. All I did was file some grooves on those three small circular parts to slide over the original mounting but this left a small gap around the plastic trim. I was not sure if your modification would bring the plastic too close to fit but looks good :)

 

About the switch, are you sure you have the right loom going to the switch?? as im sure knowing ford they have soooo many looms that do different things for different models. If you look at my guide of fitting the submarine lighting, you can see the wiring to the connector i had, best to check if yours is the same.

 

If not then I would say probably a faulty switch. when in the auto setting without the rain sensor fitted the either the side lights or dipped beam was constantly on, i can't remember which though.

 

 

oops my bad, indeed that switch will not fit. Harrison i wouldn't mind getting the same info too bro i will be fitting this mod soon.

 

George, the focus switch on ebay is £45+ but i would still recommend trying to different switch first, if the rain sensor works nothing should be missing or not working for the lights.

 

 

Harrison have you got any pics of yours fitted? has anyone added in some tints to hide away the cover of the rain sensor?

 

What would you like to know mate?? ELM options or just general info??

 

also i will have a look for some pics, I planned to use some black vinyl wrap cut to shape around the sensor mount, but it will be hard to cover the actual mount as it needs to be glued to the screen and any tint/wrap will not adhere. The best thing to do would be to have the windscreen changed to the one with the built in tinted section. 

giwrgos_ath

The switch seems the right one, came from a 2007 focus and microcat sais it is the correct one for my car.

 

I wouldn't like to think that it is an issue with the switch because it almost impossible to source a LHD switch with auto lights. I had to get mine from a guy in Spain at a ridiculous amount...

mixmasterlooney

Harrison any info really that may be of interest. Quick question, how does the mirror bracket attach to the windscreen and how do i remove the current mirror?

 

So far i've received the mirror and sensor but no switch yet.

 

George this may be a silly question but i figure any info is worth adding. I understand that your car is LHD and the difficulty of sourcing such a switch but is it not possible to pull out the connector for the switch on the car to plug in a RHD switch just for testing? i don't know how the switch connects as i've not touched it yet

giwrgos_ath

Kurt, to remove your current mirror, you need to get a flat screwdriver and push the locking part up (away from the windcreen).

 

The wire and connector going to the switch are the same for LHD and RHD. I was reluctant in buying one because they are expensive and i would have to resell it, but i finally decided to give it a shot. I'll collect it tomorrow and test.

 

Prior to ordering the switch, i disassembled my current switch and everything seemed to be in order, so i doubt a new switch will make any difference. I'll report back tomorrow.

giwrgos_ath

Right, so the new switch did not work.

 

Having only basic knowledge of electrical systems, i decided to use a multimeter at the cable leaving the switch when the engine is "ON" and the switch set to "Auto" hoping that i would at least see if there is any current running through.

 

I used the wiring schematics found on Preee's post [() and i tried to locate cable number 52 (15s-le42 GR-RD) which i believe is the one responsible for the auto lights signal .

 

Surprisingly i couldn't find that cable on the loom, so i now need to try and locate its position on the fuse box. If that is blank, I can then try and install a cable from another loom i have hanging around and hope that it will work.

 

If someone could tell me which connector on the fusebox is the one needed, that would be great.

 

Update:

 

I believe that the connector is number 5 on C103 which is the long blue one on the left. I did install a wire running from that to position 52 on the switch, but nothing happened. Do i need a second wire?

mixmasterlooney

Right, so the new switch did not work.

 

Having only basic knowledge of electrical systems, i decided to use a multimeter at the cable leaving the switch when the engine is "ON" and the switch set to "Auto" hoping that i would at least see if there is any current running through.

 

I used the wiring schematics found on Preee's post [(attachicon.gifentire_schematics_ph8m5t-70000-ad.pdf) and i tried to locate cable number 52 (15s-le42 GR-RD) which i believe is the one responsible for the auto lights signal attachicon.gifPages from entire_schematics_ph8m5t-70000-adp116.pdf.

 

Surprisingly i couldn't find that cable on the loom, so i now need to try and locate its position on the fuse box. If that is blank, I can then try and install a cable from another loom i have hanging around and hope that it will work.

 

If someone could tell me which connector on the fusebox is the one needed, that would be great.

 

Thank you for the info and picture on how to remove the mirror i will give it a try when the rain let up.

 

Sorry to hear a new switch did not solve the issue i was hoping it would be so simple... never is though is it?

 

If i understand correctly you're missing a cable from the fusebox to the switch? or the sensor? if it helps i could check and compare the loom on my car to yours, will try and find the fuse myself in the meanwhile though

giwrgos_ath

Hello Kurt, i believe i miss a least one cable from the switch to the fusebox. This should be the cable labeled "52" on the switch and should be this one.

 

I believe the place that this connects to the PJB is here

 

It would be great if you could take some pictures of the cables going into the switch and to the PJB.

 

Edit: after a second look at the wiring diagram, i might be wrong about the position of the cable in the PJB. I now believe i counted the positions the other way, but is too dark to check that. I'll have another look tomorrow. . If that doesn't work either, i'm probably doomed! :P

giwrgos_ath

Great news! So i went back to the car this morning and tried plugging the wire to a different position. After a bit of fiddling due to connection issues, i finally managed to make the autolights work!

 

On the two images below, you can see the location of the wire that joins the switch and the PJB.

 

 

Hope this helps someone who is in the same situation like me...

 

Now, in order to make the wiring permanent, i need to source two connectors/terminals and a 0.35 wire. The connectors are the following

 

Are those common ones, or are they ford-specific? Can you find them on ebay?



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