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salsheikh
This petition is to try and get the Govt to change the law regarding mobile phone use whilst driving - to get the Govt to take notice we need a LOT of signatures so please help!

Please feel free to copy this onto other forums

[url="http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35017"]http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/35017[/url]
TDCiST
The amount of people i see and deal with because of this is amazing!! Stoney probably has similar issues!!
Stoney871
Indeed, I lose count.
Had four in the last hour alone.
btmaldon
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1355516752' post='221178']
Indeed, I lose count.
Had four in the last hour alone.
[/quote]
Unbelievable. How stupid are people? Signed it by the way.
Stoney871
Little update on the count.
Eleven last night and nine so far tonight and five of them were unfit through drink or drugs too.
I love the Christmas period so much ;)
TDCiST
I'm on nights tonight... i'll see if i can get any ;)

Saying that, was almost taken out on a roundabout coming to the day job earlier by someone on their phone, in their people carrier, driving her kids somewhere!!

If only I had blues on my personal car!! lol
Stoney871
Just been out walking the dogs and nearly got wiped out by some old doddery f#rt programming his Satnav.
Just as bad a habit as using a phone.
TDCiST
that and changing CD's...
Stoney871
Doing make-up, eating, drinking, reading, shouting at kids in the back seat, rolling fags, the list is endless.
All driving without due care.
salsheikh
whenever i pick up the little one from school, i see so many parents to dont buckle up their kids, this rally anooys me. i think you guys should stake out the schools and stop each car and tell them off!
Stoney871
I think my Mali might eat the little cherubs.
TDCiST
[quote name='salsheikh' timestamp='1355674199' post='221497']
whenever i pick up the little one from school, i see so many parents to dont buckle up their kids, this rally anooys me. i think you guys should stake out the schools and stop each car and tell them off!
[/quote]

oh me and my tutor love school pickup time.. a few mothers (and some fathers may i add) get given tickets for parking on the zigzag lines...
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It,s not just mobile phones that cause crashes. Some dipstick ran up the back of the riot van last week, his excuse was, didn't see you stop, I was adjusting with the radio.[/font][/size][/color] :wacko: . [color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] See you in court![/font][/size][/color] :)
TDCiST
How you cannot see a HUGE riot van with battenburg and chevron markings i just dont understand.........
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It,s the same reason they don't see cyclists.[/font][/size][/color]
TDCiST
to be fair.. ive come across cyclists before on country roads, late at night, no lights, no reflectors, no hi-vis... some don't help themselves...
Stoney871
[quote name='NorthSussex' timestamp='1355682932' post='221525']
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]It,s not just mobile phones that cause crashes. Some dipstick ran up the back of the riot van last week, his excuse was, didn't see you stop, I was adjusting with the radio.[/font][/size][/color] :wacko: . [color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] See you in court![/font][/size][/color] :)
[/quote]
Clear statement of guilt.
Tube.
NorthSussex
[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Anything that driver is doing that distracts from concentrating on the road ahead should be stamped on heavily. You guys on the road and in uniform are the ones to do it; power to your PNB. -_-[/font][/size][/color][color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive] [/font][/size][/color]

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]50 have now signed.[/font][/size][/color]
btmaldon
Quite right. Now, does anybody know where I can get a new shaver from? I dropped it in my cornflakes whilst driving to the station this morning.
NorthSussex
[quote name='btmaldon' timestamp='1355734649' post='221643']
Quite right. Now, does anybody know where I can get a new shaver from? I dropped it in my cornflakes whilst driving to the station this morning.
[/quote]

[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Yes, try a cut-throat next time. [/font][/size][/color] B)
btmaldon
[sup][size=6]A few months ago, I stopped to allow a lady driver to pull out from behind a parked car (being the gentleman I am). As she pulled out I could see she had her mobile in one hand. She decided to take the other hand off the wheel as well to wave, causing the car to straighten up and drive straight at me. In her panick she dropped the phone to grab the wheel in order to swerve to avoid me. I did laugh, but obviously I wouldn't have been laughing if she had hit me[/size].[/sup]
NorthSussex
[quote name='btmaldon' timestamp='1355737783' post='221647']
[sup][size=6]A few months ago, I stopped to allow a lady driver to pull out from behind a parked car (being the gentleman I am). As she pulled out I could see she had her mobile in one hand. She decided to take the other hand off the wheel as well to wave, causing the car to straighten up and drive straight at me. In her panick she dropped the phone to grab the wheel in order to swerve to avoid me. I did laugh, but obviously I wouldn't have been laughing if she had hit me[/size].[/sup]
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[color=#0000ff][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Laughing is probably the last thing I would have done, I would have gone for a severe tongue lashing. [/font][/size][/color] :angry:
btmaldon
Quite. But it does illustrate how little control people have when using such a device.
Stoney871
Using a mobile while driving is comparable to someone driving while just under the legal drink drive limit.
RightcarBev
I was rear ended about 6 weeks ago by some young woman txting. It was bizarre really. I had already noticed she was putting more effort into texting than driving. On the third time of thinking “please love, get your head out your phone we’re coming up to traffic lights se just carried on. I watched her as she hit me. I did try to get my hazards on to alert her but by the time I got them on she was already in by boot.
Initially she said she was not using her phone and was just trying to turn it off as the ringing was distracting her from driving.

Needles to say petition signed.
b1g_dav3
Not as bad as what wrote off my old car! One ran in the back end of me sending texts at 40mph when I was sat at lights, the impact shunted my car into the junction, where I was then hit side on by someone also on the phone >.<
FOCA
[quote name='btmaldon' timestamp='1355734649' post='221643']
Quite right. Now, does anybody know where I can get a new shaver from? I dropped it in my cornflakes whilst driving to the station this morning.
[/quote]

Weel you shouldent have been doing that then - especially while rolling a fag and writing a text, with a cup of tea in the other hand!
Stoney871
I find that doing all that when driving puts me off my book.
TDCiST
Unfortuately there are also numpties out there who dont need any distraction to drive like a muppet!!

Last week a Woman in a new shiny white BMW decided to run a red light in front of me on a roundabout, then turn right across me and the other traffic to head the wrong way round the roundabout...

Lots of beeping and shouting followed, but unfortunately she drove off rather rapidly before the "Words of Advice" could be given lol!!

She was lucky i didnt get her Index, as i would have submitted it as intel at least!!

Stoney, your probably a good one to ask, what would you do in that situation??
Stoney871
In my work car I'd go noisy, catch up with the miscreant and do them for reckless driving, contravention of a red light, failing to stop for a police officer, and anything else I could glean from PNC.
In my own car I'm sure my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue.
Her index would be noted if possible and her details passed on for a watch list.
TDCiST
hmmm yeah, i agree... A lot of friends asked why i didnt get out and stop her etc... give her telling off...

And i was like, Firstly, ive not been in long, secondly its a busy A1 junction roundabout, and thirdly, i have no paperwork with me lol

Gotta think of your own safety first!!
DanGersFord
Signed but I think it the law should be changed to include eating, smoking, applying make-up while driving etc. Basically anything that could cause a similar distraction as using a mobile should all come under the one category. I know you can be done for driving without due care and attention for the other stuff but surely it would make it easier if it was all under the same legislation and it would make people more aware that eating behind the wheel etc could be classed as an offence
Stoney871
Due care is a general catch-all legislation which is applied at an officers discretion, i.e, If the Officer believes that something the driver was doing at the time of the traffic infringement/collision was a contributing factor.
Mondyghiax
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1356812968' post='223331']
In my work car I'd go noisy, catch up with the miscreant and do them for reckless driving, contravention of a red light, failing to stop for a police officer, and anything else I could glean from PNC.
In my own car I'm sure my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue.
Her index would be noted if possible and her details passed on for a watch list.
[/quote]

Oh dear not to be a moaner but you are why the police get a bad name!

So if you are in a marked unit you pull them and give the necessary penalty. I agree that is exactly what they deserve for such behaviour. In your own car however by your own admission " my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue" Is that not road rage? tell me what are the guidelines when you are cut up or forced to take avoidance action whilst in control of a vehicle? I dont recal it saying anything about using "legendary language" or any kind of gesturing! What would you do if I started screaming and shouting and gesturing at you whilst you were driving your police car? And the using of mobile phones I agree it does distract you from driving and you shouldnt do it. But you compare this to being equivilant to driving whilst UNDER the drink drive limit which to the best of my knowledge is not actually an offence. So by your standards using the mobile phone whilst driving is the equivillant to not breaking the law.

Hey ho crack on rolling round your beat telling people to not do the things you obviously would never do.
Stoney871
[quote name='Mondyghiax' timestamp='1357151172' post='224012']
Oh dear not to be a moaner but you are why the police get a bad name!
[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
And that is all my posts are- My Opinion
Nothing I post here should be considered as official Police Policy unless I am replying directly to a question involving a serious law question.
All posts otherwise are my own views.

[quote name='Mondyghiax' timestamp='1357151172' post='224012']
So if you are in a marked unit you pull them and give the necessary penalty. I agree that is exactly what they deserve for such behaviour. In your own car however by your own admission " my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue" Is that not road rage? tell me what are the guidelines when you are cut up or forced to take avoidance action whilst in control of a vehicle? I dont recal it saying anything about using "legendary language" or any kind of gesturing! What would you do if I started screaming and shouting and gesturing at you whilst you were driving your police car? And the using of mobile phones I agree it does distract you from driving and you shouldnt do it. But you compare this to being equivilant to driving whilst UNDER the drink drive limit which to the best of my knowledge is not actually an offence. So by your standards using the mobile phone whilst driving is the equivillant to not breaking the law.
[/quote]

Ok, your opinion of course.
I was incorrect on my point concerning comparisons between drink driving and handheld phone users, thanks for the chance for me to correct my statement.

I am far from infallible, after all i'm only human just like you.

Various sites that make the point concerning hand held phones versus drink driving more accurately than me.

[url="http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_230207.htm"]http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_230207.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm"]http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/mobile-phones-use-while-driving"]http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/mobile-phones-use-while-driving[/url]

[url="http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/TheLawAndUsingYourMobilePhoneWhileDriving.html"]http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/TheLawAndUsingYourMobilePhoneWhileDriving.html[/url]


When in my own car, driving for social, domestic or commuting i am in the same position as all other regular motorists, iI do not have some hidden blue lights and in essence I am just an average Joe just like you.
I do have removable dash mounted white lights though, so as to allow me to smooth my passage through traffic if the need arises but purely to allow me to attend my place of work in order to reply to a urgent request for specialist dog responses.
I am solely liable for any Traffic offences I commit while doing so, I can't use the lights to push through red lights, contravene traffic regulations or pull over other vehicles, the lights are purely for use when officially authorised to do so.

What i do in my own car when frustrated by someone driving in a dangerous or careless way is probably no diffrerent from the behaviour of many other drivers.
If you re-read that post, you may detect that the quoted statement was made in a light hearted and purely conversational manner.


[quote name='Mondyghiax' timestamp='1357151172' post='224012']
Hey ho crack on rolling round your beat telling people to not do the things you obviously would never do.
[/quote]

Do i detect a smidgen of sarcasm? Surely not ;)

Footnote-
Please do not target me for direct abuse, it is not appreciated, warranted or necessary.
Do you have a particular dislike of Police in general? If so may i humbly request that you do not tar us all with the same brush.
I come to this forum to give and receive advice, banter and good natured discussion, i would greatly appreciate the same considerations from others.
Stoney871
BTW, no hard feelings Rich.
Remember, lively banter and fun not handbags at dawn. :P
Mondyghiax
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357154468' post='224029']
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
And that is all my posts are- My Opinion
Nothing I post here should be considered as official Police Policy unless I am replying directly to a question involving a serious law question.
All posts otherwise are my own views.



Ok, your opinion of course.
I was incorrect on my point concerning comparisons between drink driving and handheld phone users, thanks for the chance for me to correct my statement.

I am far from infallible, after all i'm only human just like you.

Various sites that make the point concerning hand held phones versus drink driving more accurately than me.

[url="http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_230207.htm"]http://www.directlin...news_230207.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm"]http://www.directlin...ws_27022009.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/mobile-phones-use-while-driving"]http://www.politics....e-while-driving[/url]

[url="http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/TheLawAndUsingYourMobilePhoneWhileDriving.html"]http://www.nopenalty...ileDriving.html[/url]


When in my own car, driving for social, domestic or commuting i am in the same position as all other regular motorists, iI do not have some hidden blue lights and in essence I am just an average Joe just like you.
I do have removable dash mounted white lights though, so as to allow me to smooth my passage through traffic if the need arises but purely to allow me to attend my place of work in order to reply to a urgent request for specialist dog responses.
I am solely liable for any Traffic offences I commit while doing so, I can't use the lights to push through red lights, contravene traffic regulations or pull over other vehicles, the lights are purely for use when officially authorised to do so.

What i do in my own car when frustrated by someone driving in a dangerous or careless way is probably no diffrerent from the behaviour of many other drivers.
If you re-read that post, you may detect that the quoted statement was made in a light hearted and purely conversational manner.




Do i detect a smidgen of sarcasm? Surely not ;)

Footnote-
Please do not target me for direct abuse, it is not appreciated, warranted or necessary.
Do you have a particular dislike of Police in general? If so may i humbly request that you do not tar us all with the same brush.
I come to this forum to give and receive advice, banter and good natured discussion, i would greatly appreciate the same considerations from others.
[/quote]

I do not direct any abuse to you what so ever my friend just annoys me when some police officers find certain behaviours acceptable when they are commiting them but unacceptable when they are being committed against them. which is how your post came accros I have a good friend who, before promotion, was a traffic cop in the met and he recieves the same opinions from me. I really am not having a personal go at you but sometimes the police in genral put the hat on and become quite two faced in their behaviour. I am by no means a saint and would never expect anyone to do something that I am not prepared to do myself. Practice what you preach is my message. In other words As a police officer would you shout and gesture at another road user that cut you up and not expect a complaint regading your unprofessional behaviour. I hope we can leave this here now and enjoy a mutual interest in Fords as what you generally write is very useful, helpful and informative and I enjoy your input. I am not a nasty person honest.
Stoney871
No problem at all, Remember i put my trousers on one leg at a time the same as everyone else.
We're all entitled to become frustrated, i just feel it's better to express the frustration rather than bottle it up and take it out on someone undeserving.
I don't drive round with my windows down flicking the V's at everyone, i just do the Italian style talking- plenty of waved hands and the occasional mouthed curse. (don't we all?)
Mondyghiax
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357155811' post='224038']
No problem at all, Remember i put my trousers on one leg at a time the same as everyone else.
We're all entitled to become frustrated, i just feel it's better to express the frustration rather than bottle it up and take it out on someone undeserving.
I don't drive round with my windows down flicking the V's at everyone, i just do the Italian style talking- plenty of waved hands and the occasional mouthed curse. (don't we all?)
[/quote]
Indeed we do mate :-) Ive been waiting for a kidney op for 4 weeks now spent xmas and new year in bed and went ott. From miserable old bugger lol
Stoney871
[quote name='Mondyghiax' timestamp='1357156270' post='224043']
Indeed we do mate :-) Ive been waiting for a kidney op for 4 weeks now spent xmas and new year in bed and went ott. From miserable old bugger lol
[/quote]

No worries.
I hope you get sorted out in good time.
I'm sure the waiting around is a right aggravation.
yunii
I liked it so much that i've signed it & passed it on another forum.
yunii
salsheikh
[quote name='yunii' timestamp='1357586325' post='225008']
I liked it so much that i've signed it & passed it on another forum.
yunii
[/quote]

good man!
TDCiST
This traffic cops episode highlights why it is necessary to make the penalties stiffer for mobile phone/distraction while driving...

[youtube]http://youtu.be/P8p2Np_F5iw[/YouTube]

Stoney871
Indeed, caught two already and I've only been on duty for just over an hour.
The weather here is crap, fog and rain, the exact conditions when you need to be paying full attention.
TDCiST
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1357676517' post='225251']
Indeed, caught two already and I've only been on duty for just over an hour.
The weather here is crap, fog and rain, the exact conditions when you need to be paying full attention.
[/quote]

A colleague had a drunk driver on his phone yesterday! Must have been fun for him!

I also got my first arrest!! Yay me!
Stoney871
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1357686720' post='225285']
I also got my first arrest!! Yay me!
[/quote]

Finally broke your cherry then?
Good Man.
TDCiST
Yup... And not just a simple one... A nice GBH

Lets hope it doesn't go to crown court eh!
PubeHeed
i work for the road works department in my local council, and i must say we say a LOT of drivers on their phones. my first day on the job and our transit was nearly written off by some 17 year old girl texting her pals to come meet her. stupid girl...
PubeHeed
and congrats on the arrest buddy ;)
Stoney871
As long as all the t's and I's are dotted and crossed as appropriate and paperwork is correct you'll be fine.
If you think your first arrest is daunting wait until your first court appearance. :)


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