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jeebowhite
Hi Everybody!

I might be rejoining the blue oval club! :D however, it depends on the car!

I have a limited amount of money, I will be part ex'ing my car and need to buy the new car only with the funds from selling the old... The car I am looking at needs to be diesel, and ideally automatic for my developing health issues...

As a result I found the CMAX here (needs to have the big boot!) http://www.exclusivecarsales.co.uk/used-cars/ford-focus-c-max-1-6-tdci-zetec-5dr-cvt-auto-ashford-201247493579445, looks a fecking good deal, I did a HPI check, and thats where the turdus hit the fannus... Its a Cat D write off!

I am going to look at the car, hopefully take it for a test drive later today and see how it goes, and what he says about the reason for the write off. My main question is this... Would you buy one?

I spoke with the insurance company (admiral) who have no problems insuring it, and I end up with money in my pocket... Shame it doesnt have cruise control, but thats no biggy!

so I hand the forum to you, would you buy it? should I buy it? I want to get the best value for my car before the new plate comes out, cars already depreciated 50% in two years of what I paid, so it needs to be a relatively quick process!

Thanks :)
Lenny
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Hi Everybody!

I might be rejoining the blue oval club! :D however, it depends on the car!

I have a limited amount of money, I will be part ex'ing my car and need to buy the new car only with the funds from selling the old... The car I am looking at needs to be diesel, and ideally automatic for my developing health issues...

As a result I found the CMAX here (needs to have the big boot!) http://www.exclusivecarsales.co.uk/used-cars/ford-focus-c-max-1-6-tdci-zetec-5dr-cvt-auto-ashford-201247493579445, looks a fecking good deal, I did a HPI check, and thats where the turdus hit the fannus... Its a Cat D write off!

I am going to look at the car, hopefully take it for a test drive later today and see how it goes, and what he says about the reason for the write off. My main question is this... Would you buy one?

I spoke with the insurance company (admiral) who have no problems insuring it, and I end up with money in my pocket... Shame it doesnt have cruise control, but thats no biggy!

so I hand the forum to you, would you buy it? should I buy it? I want to get the best value for my car before the new plate comes out, cars already depreciated 50% in two years of what I paid, so it needs to be a relatively quick process!

Thanks :)
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Open the bonnet and boot, lift the carpet and look for the condition of the welds aswell as straight lines.
Also where the panels meet. Ie. When bonnet closed the gap line between bonnet and side wings should be a consistant equal gap. And the same for doors etc.
Inspect engine mounts, and get underneath to look for bends in chassie and sills
Also inspect fuel tank for signs of dents
Service history on a 1.6TDCi is a certain must have due to hostory of dpf and turbo oil feed.
Check wheels are still circular all around,
If its à garage try get full size spare as part of the deal
Perform ford secret menu for signs of errors on log
And run idle for signs of vibration through the body, you should be able to draw a straight line on a piece of papper when sitting in the car with the engine running.
If its a 90bhp you can remap it to 110bhp and fit a green induction filter will bring it to life for you.
Take it for a test drive and put on a straight road
If wheel and axle are correct it should sail steady with hands off the wheel for a few seconds
And you can fit cruise control yourself using a wheel and elm327
jeebowhite
Cheers Lenny, having spoken to them they advise that its a rear shunt that caused the right off, so I plan on checking the boot over for bumps and welds, given the miserable weather I am not sure how well it will or will not go but will take a look, I think predominantly checking for buckling is the main way to go at this point, any other thoughts?
Lenny
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Cheers Lenny, having spoken to them they advise that its a rear shunt that caused the right off, so I plan on checking the boot over for bumps and welds, given the miserable weather I am not sure how well it will or will not go but will take a look, I think predominantly checking for buckling is the main way to go at this point, any other thoughts?
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Get a big sheet of cardboard and a torch, bring it with you and put it on the ground to lye on and have a look underneath.
Any Currys or Tesco will have large sheets of cardboard from packaging, well worth it if your going to be buying it mate,

Open the rear doors and check the flow of the lines.
Check the smoothnes of the roof and inspect for signs of blistering, aswell as the boot hinges,
The boot door itself will be spot-on because it will be new but its whats underneath that matters.
Personally i wouldnt trust a sales person though, id check the front end just as much as the sides and rear for impact damage.
Encase they got story's mixed up in a bid to sell the car and leed you to think they made a fantastic repair on the rear, when it may have been the front end that was damaged.
jeebowhite
Also Lenny, do you happen to know any good guides for installing CC?
jeebowhite
Cheers mate, will certainly take a look, got a torch, but will have to keep an eye out for the damage, thanks! I took a look at the Focus guide for CC in theory I guess it should be compatible with the Focus C Max...
Lenny
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Also Lenny, do you happen to know any good guides for installing CC?
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All of the sensors are present on the pedals as standard,
Aswell as the sockets for the steering wheel to plug in to,
So you just need a steering wheel with cruise control fitted and a modified elm327 to activate cruise control on the GEM
If you go through the elm327 guide you will see reference to it from other members who have fitted and activated.
jeebowhite
cheers matey, will keep an eye out for it!

Well going to look at the car in an hour, so who knows, come new year I might be back in the blue oval...
stef123
i would also look out for things like how the rear tyres are wearing...any uneven wear could indicate an alignment issue or possibly worse
jeebowhite
yeah I have a OBDII reader, and also a tread gauge, I will be looking over the car once they value mine, and then take it for a drive!

Thankfully the car comes with a 3 month part and labour warranty... Tempted to drop it in and get an assessment made...
Stoney871
I'd pay for an RAC check.
A cat D write off is purely a cost thing.
The insurance company basically wasn't willing to pay out for the repairs.
When my car was whacked by a biker a few months back it cost 1500 to fix, if it had been an 05 plate rather than an 07 they would have probably made it a cat D too.
It's all about current market value and repair costs.
Preee
I would second RAC check and mot
. And then ask for money off the purchase. Downside would be loss of value if you came to sell if. Also i would ask for a full list of parts that were changed so you have a better idea what was damaged
jeebowhite
Thanks Guys,

Well I took her for a spin! tight as a drum, I saw the pictures, and its basically a split bumper and the door had buckled in, like some twonk had taken a battering ram to it! Checked for damage around the car, nothin in the boot to suggest that the subframe has moved, the front end is perfect and all original panels, the alignment of the bumper is find, and all seems well, so it was just the replacement door and rear bumper...

Because this garage are not themselves going to be buying my Cee'd (should I proceed) they are looking to speak with another interested party to see what they will pay me. To be honest its down to them! if they give me 4200 for my car, then I will buy the CMax, else I wont really be bothering. There is no service book, or owners manual included, and only one key, so I have told them I would be looking to get the car down to 3200 as opposed to the 3700 they are looking at, but until they tell me what bob is going to pay for my car, theres no point talking about the cost of the CMax...

So, we just have to wait and see! I havent put a deposit down, will leave it to fait! (Fete? Faeit? - However you spell it!) if they call me back and still have it on Wednesday / Thursday then come the weekend I will be buying it. The RAC inspection, I will be looking at as a possibility too, but to be honest, I am fairly confident in what I have seen that it is a good motor, and it certainly appears to be worth a gamble!

Roll on Wednesday!
Preee
Jeeb as long as your happy with it , thats all that matters , but if it was me with a Cat D i would get the peace of mind with either an MOT or RAC inspection.
Like you said you get 3 months warranty.
jeebowhite
Cheers Preee, Now I have to play the patience game, and I am not very patient... I guess I could return it as not fit for purpose worst case scenario... although I will be without a motor for a short period!

to be honest it looks good and sounds relatively the same, if I can get it for 3200 even better, and I will keep a few quid spare. The tyres at the rear are fine, they both have the same wear and tear on them but if I do buy the car, I will be keeping a close eye on them and make sure they are not unevenly worn!

Who knows... I might soon be back in the club, and not a dirty outsider who just keeps hangin around ;)

Cheers
TDCiST
[quote name='jeebowhite' timestamp='1356971513' post='223641']and not a dirty outsider who just keeps hangin around ;)
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Just like a bad smell lol!

Will be good to have you back, I too would definitely recommend an RAC or similar inspection
Preee
BTW Jeeb it will be good to have you back with a Blue Oval :)
jeebowhite
Cheers Guys, well I made the plunge, I put the deposit down, and they will offer me £4k for my Ceed (:| Which I am gutted about! Severe Depreciation!!!!) and I am looking to hopefully swap tomorrow all being well. I will be getting it booked into an MOT at my local dealership near enough straight away, and any issues will be thrown back to the garage to get it fixed as part of the warranty. Not sure I can afford the RAC but I do trust the local dealer to give me a thorough review of the car.

I look forward to being back, and will just have to take the rough with the pleasure that is being back in the car!
Stoney871
Welcome back :D
jeebowhite
YEah, I get to join the midnight club now :P

I *MIGHT* even look into doing some MOD's... dual reverse perhaps? tinted rear windows... Possibly a dream as opposed to much else but why not!
Preee
welcome back Jeeb.

Im sure you will find lots of things you want to do the car,
TDCiST
Hooray! welcome back!
Lenny
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Cheers Guys, well I made the plunge, I put the deposit down, and they will offer me £4k for my Ceed (:| Which I am gutted about! Severe Depreciation!!!!) and I am looking to hopefully swap tomorrow all being well. I will be getting it booked into an MOT at my local dealership near enough straight away, and any issues will be thrown back to the garage to get it fixed as part of the warranty. Not sure I can afford the RAC but I do trust the local dealer to give me a thorough review of the car.

I look forward to being back, and will just have to take the rough with the pleasure that is being back in the car!
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Welcome back mate,
Yes it is a sorry goodbye to the ceed and depreciation could be down to petrol prices aswell as tax bracket etc.
But it is now a welcome hello to smooth automatic driving, far increased MPG and cheaper fuel costs.
Some complimenting mods on your Cmax would be:
.front & rear footwell lighting
.rear illuminating badge light
.Cree Q5 dual reverse
.additional boot light
.Osram Cool blue low beam & fogs with Osram Nightbreaker high beam
.De-tango side repeaters and fit Silvatec bulbs to all repeaters
.Green Performance Induction filter
.rear tinted windows
.Gel badge overlays
.12v Boot Socket

Would be finished off nicely at that in my opinion, if your going down the modification road.

Then perhaps:
.Ecu remap to 115bhp with 68mpg and 268Nm Torque.
jeebowhite
Thanks for the welcome guys, yes getting quite excited now! Lenny, had a few thoughts on those mod's unfortunately not much disposable income and the difference for the cars is going into bills :@.

Only downside, I called the dealers yesterday and asked them for the service history, seems that the car has never been serviced by Ford :( so I need to purchase a new manual, a new service booklet, and a service plan!
jeebowhite
Scrub that, just checked the site and its £20.00 odd for the manual at best... time for my first post in the CMAX section!
jeebowhite
Looking at getting a haynes manual, but none seem to cover the CVT of my engine, I presume that means I just cant work on the automatic gearbox etc? or will that mean half the book will be useless to me?
jeebowhite
in case anyone wants to buy my old car ;)

http://www.exclusivecarsales.co.uk/used-cars/kia-ceed-1-6-2-5dr-ashford-201301497244615
TDCiST
£4995 for a 10 Plate??? WOW!!

That's some depreciation! but a great second hand buy!!
jeebowhite
yeah, dont I know it, given it still has 53k warranty and / or four years...
yunii
i was looking at one on ebay, some guy bought a mk3 2011 plate focus zetec-s i white with body kit, he repaired door &wing as he's a body repairer,but it wont start,this could possibly ecu problem/ fuel cut off switch or other but is dodgy buying something like this,even though at £8950 is not bad, but its cat d.
yunii
jeebowhite
No doubt, the main risk is always going to be value at the end of the use, or in an accident, but the car itself could be 99% structurally sound underneath.

Its helping me to adjust my driving habits, I certainly wont take undue risks anymore as I dont really want a poor value at the end of it, but for the sake of a few quid to the insurance company, sometimes its not a bad investment...
TDCiST
How you finding the car mate???
jeebowhite
A pleasure! handling is not far off the last two motors, but I havent pushed her!

Gear changes are a pleasure when in manual mode, not laborious at all, and the motor is just sound, hasnt skipped a beat!

I could probably do with servicing her as I dont know when she was done last but all in all, over the moon!

Just have to replace missing bits like tow eyes and Im in the process of replacing most bulbs for LED's!
jeebowhite
OK Guys, If I may ask you all, if you can wander over to the CMAX section and take a look at my latest major nightmare thread. I would very much appreciate anyone and everyones input!
jeebowhite
Finally got some piccies up, feel free to take a browse, they arent best quality due to the time of day I took them, but as the weather settles, will try and get some more :)

http://postimage.org/gallery/r0u96qy/
stef123
Jeebo, I am quite out of date with this thread - hows the new car then? Im just going to look at your nightmare page and your new pics
jeebowhite
Cars behaving himself for now, The battery I bought with the car was fudged, and the replacement I bought was fudged.

I set the walk me home lights off yesterday in the -3 temperature (replicating the night it went bang) - went out there three hours later, tried to start the car and no issues. Looks like I must have been doubly unlucky, but the replacement battery is OK now. FInal job, is the fact that the key doesnt open the boot lid the old fashioned way. I need to phone the garage and see what they say... maybe do that later today...
TDCiST
Does it turn like normal? Just doesn't unlock it?

Is it worth taking the panel off and a liberal spray of WD40?
jeebowhite
nah, key doesnt even twist, it goes in but doesnt move... Me suspects they put the wrong barrel on there when they replaced the door as part of the repairs...
TDCiST
Ah... Good point


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