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charikaar
Hi,

We need the part as pictured but ford can't find it from the numbers on the part itself.

removed from ford s-max

PA6-GF35
[b][size="5"]9671271480[/size][/b] avec rechauffeur
9670033180 sans rechauffeur

removed from engine near gearbox area.

Thanks
TDCiST
avec rechauffer means "With Preheater"
And Sans rechauffer means "Without preheater"

I'm guessing it has something to do with the fuel system... And maybe a diesel preheater element if you have that option.

I'll see what i can find out about that part!
TDCiST
What engine etc is the car fella??
charikaar
thanks. yeah something to do with fuel system.

its from ford s-max 62 plate 2.0 duratorg diesel engine 140bhp
TDCiST
I'm guessing its the fuel pump then... if its available with and without a preheater...
charikaar
Thank you for very much for your help. Do you know if there is any engine sketch or diagrams available for this car where you can see which pipe is connected where etc..?

Our car really needs to be seen by mechanic but dad is determined to get it fixed by himself lol
TDCiST
If its a 62 plate... its under warranty... dont touch/take anything apart otherwise any claim you may have on the warranty will be void!!!

take it back to the dealer and get them to sort it!
charikaar
we purchased it from salvage with front smashed!! i believe warranty voids after an accident?
TDCiST
Ah... explains it!!

you may be able to google plans, or try Ford Customer Relations...
TDCiST
Also, go to the dealer, ask them to have a look on MicroCat or eCat (Whichever they use) at the fuel system on you engine... this will give you some exploded diagrams of the system... may help a little but wont be an exact instruction manual...
stef123
is it definitely part of the fuel system? could it be for heating the engine coolant?
TDCiST
But you can get one without a heater... thats why i thought fuel pump/fuel system... as the only thing you'd really preheat on a diesel is the fuel to stop waxing
stef123
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1359061876' post='230044']
But you can get one without a heater... thats why i thought fuel pump/fuel system... as the only thing you'd really preheat on a diesel is the fuel to stop waxing
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not necessarily, some have coolant heaters too but they are usually like glow plugs.unfortunately my car doesnt have the heater fitted so i have to wait ages on it warming up in the winter
TDCiST
Ah i see...

With it being such a new engine/car there isnt much i can find out from google...

Apat from if yo[size=4]u put [font=arial, sans-serif]PA6-GF35 in google, apparently its a Bosch Cordless Drill Battery lol![/font][/size]
stef123
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1359062061' post='230048']
Ah i see...

With it being such a new engine/car there isnt much i can find out from google...
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its a strange looking bit of kit...

but it has o-ring seals and presumably it bolts to the block of the engine above the gearbox?.. to me it doesnt appear anything to do with the fuel system.
TDCiST
Then i am at a loss...

Surely its not oil pump??
charikaar
I have spent hours and hours on google to find where one of the pipe coming out of this strage kit would connect to. I will take some clear photos tomorrow.
stef123
[quote name='TDCiST' timestamp='1359062438' post='230051']
Then i am at a loss...

Surely its not oil pump??
[/quote]

Im not sure to be honest, if you google mondeo mk3 coolant heater you will see the glow plug like device i would expect it too look like
stef123
[quote name='charikaar' timestamp='1359062715' post='230057']
I have spent hours and hours on google to find where one of the pipe coming out of this strage kit would connect to. I will take some clear photos tomorrow.
[/quote]

does it smell of fuel or have any traces of coolant or oil?
stef123
this part is something to do with oil...thats all i know so far
charikaar
Yes got to do something with oil.

We managed to get used part and fitted it. Do you know where the pipe shown in red circle connects? picture 2 shows same part broken.
Stoney871
I believe it's an evaporator solenoid valve.
TDCiST
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1359070457' post='230099']
I believe it's an evaporator solenoid valve.
[/quote]

Whats one of them when its at home?
Stoney871
It leads to an evap (carbon) cannister
charikaar
thought it would be much easier to look for the main part in order to find which pipe connects to it etc..
charikaar
[quote name='Stoney871' timestamp='1359071742' post='230112']
It leads to an evap (carbon) cannister
[/quote]

Thanks for that. Do you also know what connects to that hole there?
FOCA
[quote][/quote]

1/

The electric pre-heater (on a mk3 Mondeo ) is alloy, it is a straght "torpedo"-like tube with 3 electrical connectors (for the 3 heaters) it connects between the thermostat 19mm "heater" outlet and the cabin heater, it is located at the front of the floorpan/ scuttle (just about where the drivers' feet are but on the other side of the bulkhead) it is visible with the engine undertray fitted, from under the car.

it helps to warm the water/ coolant before it goes to the cabin heater

Some Mk3s had deisel- burning heaters instead (for cold climates - eg for Scandanavian countries etc) the mk3s always had a over- cooling/ not producing enough heat problem - thats why iv'e fitted an (electronically controlled) electric waterpump to mine (and for other reasons) - ive removed my heater and some of the pipes as part of the conversion (don't need it because the electric waterpump only comes on when the engine is warmed up, and it warms up much quicker )


2/

The charcoal (carbon) evaporation canisters are fitted to petrol cars to prevent (or safely filter) petol/ fumes/ gasses escaping into the atmosphere from petol tanks on petrol cars and still allow the tanks to be vented (its another "emmisions" thing)
Its not really nessesary on a diesel (i think mine has a sealed tank with an "expansion chamber" built in to the top of the tank) but thats never stopped them fitting parts designed for petrol- engined cars onto deisels, that should'nt really be there (eg - EGR valves/ systems)


3/

I think it is the oil cooler/ seperator or an associated component

On the mk3 Mondeo diesel engine, there is a watercooled oil cooler on the bottom/ front of the engine, a small thermostat comes out of the side of the waterpump where it feeds a coolant hose then goes to the cooler/ seperator, there is another coolant hose that returns to the radiator

it is (part of) an oll cooler that uses the engines main coolant/ radiator, controlled by its own thermostat (not like a seperate oil cooler radiator like the ones on a race/ performance car )

so water (coolant) and oil runs through it - there should be a water coolant/ in/out and an oil in/out

Do i get a prize if im right? :)
charikaar
[quote name='FOCA' timestamp='1359098277' post='230140']
1/

The electric pre-heater (on a mk3 Mondeo ) is alloy, it is a straght "torpedo"-like tube with 3 electrical connectors (for the 3 heaters) it connects between the thermostat 19mm "heater" outlet and the cabin heater, it is located at the front of the floorpan/ scuttle (just about where the drivers' feet are but on the other side of the bulkhead) it is visible with the engine undertray fitted, from under the car.

it helps to warm the water/ coolant before it goes to the cabin heater

Some Mk3s had deisel- burning heaters instead (for cold climates - eg for Scandanavian countries etc) the mk3s always had a over- cooling/ not producing enough heat problem - thats why iv'e fitted an (electronically controlled) electric waterpump to mine (and for other reasons) - ive removed my heater and some of the pipes as part of the conversion (don't need it because the electric waterpump only comes on when the engine is warmed up, and it warms up much quicker )


2/

The charcoal (carbon) evaporation canisters are fitted to petrol cars to prevent (or safely filter) petol/ fumes/ gasses escaping into the atmosphere from petol tanks on petrol cars and still allow the tanks to be vented (its another "emmisions" thing)
Its not really nessesary on a diesel (i think mine has a sealed tank with an "expansion chamber" built in to the top of the tank) but thats never stopped them fitting parts designed for petrol- engined cars onto deisels, that should'nt really be there (eg - EGR valves/ systems)


3/

I think it is the oil cooler/ seperator or an associated component

On the mk3 Mondeo diesel engine, there is a watercooled oil cooler on the bottom/ front of the engine, a small thermostat comes out of the side of the waterpump where it feeds a coolant hose then goes to the cooler/ seperator, there is another coolant hose that returns to the radiator

it is (part of) an oll cooler that uses the engines main coolant/ radiator, controlled by its own thermostat (not like a seperate oil cooler radiator like the ones on a race/ performance car )

so water (coolant) and oil runs through it - there should be a water coolant/ in/out and an oil in/out

Do i get a prize if im right? :)
[/quote]

option 3 looks good to me. I went to ford this morning and they showed me this part on their system but couldn't find me hose coming out of this bit.
charikaar
showed it to a mechanic who charged me £40 and said this connects to the air filter box but we have just installed the air filter box and there is no such places where this part will connect.

we have one spare hole as pictured. Do these two bits connect together.

this part is connected behind the engine and numbers on it are

PA6-GF35 (matches with other part above)

AV61-9C623-B

N07011C160
N07011C170
charikaar
PA6-GF35 (matches with other part above)

AV61-9C623-B

N07011C160
N07011C170
charikaar
Just got some more photos off ebay for the similiar engine. CAn you see in pic 2 the hose coming from back to front. Don't know where it connects at front.

All sorted. I have connected the hose as shown in this engine. thanks everyone.


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