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vibeone
I'm trying to work out if I'm gonna have to sort the DPF at some point in the future.

I have this car:

Focus 2008-, 2.0L Duratorq-TDCi (136PS) - DW10.

Etis says this:

Build Date: 31.08.2009 Vehicle Line: Focus 2008- Body Style: 5 Door Saloon Version: Series 40 Engine: 2.0L Duratorq-TDCi (136PS) - DW10 Transmission: 6 Speed Manual Transaxle - MMT6 Drive: RHD FWD Emission: Stage IV Emissions Air Conditioning: Manual Air Conditioning Territory: (+)"GB" Paint: Sea Grey (Metallic) Interior Fabric:
New York / Ebony

whereas the 2.0 AUTO's have 'eDPF' emmisions listed as well as Stage IV. However, I thought all the 2.0 08 onwards tdci's had DPFs?

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Mike77
Think you'll find you do indeed have the nasty horrible dpf fitted to your vehicle. There is only the 1.8 tdci that doesn't have it. The 1.8 is an old design engine, going back many years with ford, which has been tweaked along the way to move with the times, and is now euro 4 spec (mk2) so complies with emissions laws. The engine you have is the creation of ford, Peugeot and Citroen, and being a newer design they have had to incorporate the dpf.
vibeone
Thanks Mike,

I was under the impression 2009 diesels all have DPFs too - but it seems clear as mud really. Parker seem to list the 2.0 with and without DPFs - even 08 onwards models.

This thread: http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/18834-how-can-i-tell-if-have-a-dpf-fitted-to-my-focus/page__st__30

Is equally as inconclusive. Pretty sure etis is saying I DONT have one fitted, but I'm pretty sure (as are you) that it does.

It's potentially something to add to my list of possible causes in my problem thread: http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/40592-20-tdci-focus-juddering-only-on-full-throttle-only-between-1800-2100rpm/
Mike77
Your welcome mate, I may well be corrected, im not 100% sure that ALL 1.6 & 2.0ltr models have the DPF, but from what i've read, they certainly seem to have. This being the main reason alot of ppl opt for the 1.8 tdci. Admitidly not as quiet or refined as the other models, but its tried and tested, the block itself going back as far as the old escort vans :D , so its just been lovingly brought into the 21 century lol. I personally don't do alot of long trips, which a car with a DPF fitted needs, constant speed at decent revs for a set amount of time to clear the build up of crud to stop things clogging up.
vibeone
Yeah I had a 52 plate 1.8 tdci... take the common rail stuff off, intercooler etc, and it looks just like the 1.8 diesel in my dad's P reg festa!
salsheikh
mark, best way of checking is by looking under the car...it should look similar to this:
[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FOCUS-MK2-2-0-TDCI-DPF-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-EURO-4-136-BHP-2004-/130736852944?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e70860fd0"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FOCUS-MK2-2-0-TDCI-DPF-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-EURO-4-136-BHP-2004-/130736852944?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e70860fd0[/url]
vibeone
[quote name='salsheikh' timestamp='1360933670' post='235993']
mark, best way of checking is by looking under the car...it should look similar to this:
[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FOCUS-MK2-2-0-TDCI-DPF-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-EURO-4-136-BHP-2004-/130736852944?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e70860fd0"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item1e70860fd0[/url]
[/quote]

Thanks... Will look tomorrow when I'm fault finding. It splits off one way to cat, one to dpf right?
salsheikh
just look out for the tubes running of it mate.
jeebowhite
Mark, did you find these rails running to it?
vibeone
Hey guys,

I didn't get chance to look yet. The car is to be checked on Thursday (See other thread), so not going to touch it until then.

Hopefully will be able to get an answer for you asap.
APJ
I have a MK2 2005 2.0TDCI (136bhp) Focus Saloon Titanium and was amazed to discover that i dont have a DPF. So not all the 2.0tdci's have one
vibeone
[quote name='APJ' timestamp='1361441576' post='237567']
I have a MK2 2005 2.0TDCI (136bhp) Focus Saloon Titanium and was amazed to discover that i dont have a DPF. So not all the 2.0tdci's have one
[/quote]

Yeah mine's an 08 onwards though, which many seem to think is DPF only.

I don't have the car at the mo, but won't stop until I get a definate answer haha!

I don't think it'll be a problem anyway - I do a good mix of driving with plenty of motorway miles, longer a road trips as well as the usual town dashes etc.
APJ
oh ok, yeah i guess the newer the model the more likely it is to have a DPF. I Think the DPF only becomes a problem once you get over 100k no matter what type of driving you do. Its one of the most ridiculous items ever fitted to a car. I understand that what its doing is an environmentally good thing but all DPF's generally need replacing at some point cost the best part of a grand. Us the consumers know that we will at some point have to buy parts for our motors but nothing should cost that much
Mike77
Not correct,,, the dpf will cause problems if most of the driving you do is 'town' driving, or short journeys, this prevents the dpf from reaching operating temp, hence not hot enough to burn off deposits, and will eventually clog up. That's why diesels are no longer recommended for low mileage, short distance drivers, as things can become expensive.
jeebowhite
Agreed, in fact the less miles you do the more of a problem it becomes, thats why Town driving suggests Petrol, amongst other things, the DPF cant get hot enough to actively regenerate.

Almost all diesels certified these days are now required to meet EURO IV and EURO V compliancy, and in very few cases, can this be met without the need for a DPF!
Randallsfocus
Hi i have a 2009 2.0tdci (136), i had a look under my car to see if it had the dreaded DPF. All i could see under the middle was a long round silencer with no pipes on it, then headed towards rear silencers. Would the DPF be before the round silencer on the way down from the engine? or does my car not have it?

Cheers Stuart
vibeone
[quote name='Randallsfocus' timestamp='1361999355' post='239491']
Hi i have a 2009 2.0tdci (136), i had a look under my car to see if it had the dreaded DPF. All i could see under the middle was a long round silencer with no pipes on it, then headed towards rear silencers. Would the DPF be before the round silencer on the way down from the engine? or does my car not have it?

Cheers Stuart
[/quote]

Let me know if you find out mate - 59 plate like myself.

I have noticed if I've been driving steady for a while then light it up, plenty of stuff gets chucked out the back much like my old 1.8. Does this point towards no DPF?
Mike77
No it doesn't, it will throw some smoke out with or without a dpf,,,, the 2.0 diesel SHOULD have a dpf along with the 1.6 diesel.
Randallsfocus
[quote name='vibeone' timestamp='1362001319' post='239509']
Let me know if you find out mate - 59 plate like myself.

I have noticed if I've been driving steady for a while then light it up, plenty of stuff gets chucked out the back much like my old 1.8. Does this point towards no DPF?
[/quote]

Will do. Mines the same, the Mrs drives it daily school runs etc. I get in it at the weekends and use it and it chucks smoke out when puting foot down but does clear up
jeebowhite
The main reason is probably because you do a week of short journeys, you just get soot chokes up in the exhaust then when you do some more distant miles, then it heats up, unbinds them from the exhaust and poofs out.


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