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Sirus67
Hi all, great to be amongst people of individual taste who don't succumb to the 3 big Germans! I recently took delivery of my Kuga Titanium X 2WD 2013 140 ps diesel, with lots of toys, and I have to say I'm absolutely delighted. Only gripe is massive disappointment in the MPG, I'm way off the figures advertised, I'm lucky if I get 37mpg in town and 43 on a long motorway run. I wrote to Ford but the silence was deafening. Anyone else experienced this?
jeebowhite

Welcome to the family Bill!

 

I expect that the engine is still being run in! how many miles has she done?

gregers

i reckon the above post is spot on,

my better half had a smax zetec(60 reg) and the mpg was terrible,my smax titanium(08 reg) not only was faster but gave MUCH better mpg then hers ever did.

same engine but the difference was hers(when handed back)had 21k on the clock and mines got 110k.think mine is well and truly loosened up, :D

Sirus67

Hi guys, thanks for response. Ive only done 4000 miles so you're probably right about the engine needing run in. I'll keep my eye on it. :)

jeebowhite

No Worries Bill.As I  say, you can reset the car, and then drive it as you plan to for the long term. The MPG will look worse for the first few tanks, but after that, the ECU adapts to your driving style and improves the efficiency. Having said that, as your car has barely opened its eyes for the first time (so to say) you may not necessarily see any improvement.

jamesm182

Hi Bill welcome to the club! I'm sure it will loosen up a bit as others have said!  :)

Sirus67
Yip that seems to be the advice James! Just need to do more miles then! :)
Sirus67
Ye she's still an infant Jeebo lol
jeebowhite
Fingers crossed that it gets better from here on.

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Sirus67
MPG update at 5000, still rubbish. Averaging 40.3 mpg which is worse than my petrol TT! This car is costing me a fortune in business mileage. Very disappointed and bordering on misinformation on Ford part.


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jeebowhite

How many miles have you clocked so far Bill?

Sirus67
Just over 5000 Jeebo


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jeebowhite
Should be sufficiently run in by now.

Have you tried a reset, disconnecting the battery for an hour or so then starting driving afresh?

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Sirus67
No I've not thought about that one mate. I wouldn't mind if it was just a few miles off the printed figures but it think it's taking the piss when they publish 44.8 urban, 60.1 extra urban and 53.3 combined. It's a company car so I'll take it into the dealership to do it.


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jeebowhite
Best call! Good luck and let us know what they say

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Sirus67
45.6 was the best I could get, but it entailed taping an egg to the sole of my shoe and pressing the accelerator so lightly without breaking it! It's impossible to drive like this all the time, nor would I want to.


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jeebowhite

Cant say I blame you, its a boring ride!

 

hopefully the garage come back with an answer though!

Sirus67
I've no been to the garage yet :-/


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jeebowhite

I would say take it to Ford, there might be a software update or something that is necessary to improve the MPG...

Sirus67
Hi all... MPG update after almost 8000 miles. Did a 400 mile round trip to Leeds last week, at a steady 72mph. Staggeringly, the MPG dipped to 38.5! Just a wee bit off the Ford published 61.3mpg extra urban stats. :-/


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jeebowhite
Sounds like something isn't right, try resetting the ECU and drive as normal, done this to my mondy a couple of times and the mpg improves each time, I get around 45mpg in town driving, at one point in town I got the mpg up to 60 although that was flats and downhills for a good chunk.

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Sirus67
Thanks mate, ill def give the dealership a call, I assume that sort of thing needs to be done by them.

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jeebowhite
Not at all, keep the radio code close by and disconnect the battery for half an hour then reconnect.

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kevzs960
Disconnecting wont do nothing. There are parameters set in the PCM ( correct word for ecu in ford terms) through your driving cycle (normally 4-5 long drives 1 hour +) only way to reset or calibrate it is to put it on the i.d.s unit (fords diagnostic unit) and reset the learned values.

There is a ford test that the customer has to do to show a true MPG figure. As the onboard computer tends to show false information. Cant remember the test as ive only had to tell a customer once.

Go into a ford dealership and ask to speak to a master technician (top dog in ford mechanic terms) and have a chat about it and go from there.

Disconnecting the battery and doing little tricks are old school and the new type of engines and electronics around in the new ford range. It will be more harm than good without a qualified person giving you the correct information

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jeebowhite
That's handy to know, not trying to argue though as I have a general interest...

How is it that a disconnect doesn't reset it though as it's definitely worked on my 57 mondeo? Also why is it that disconnecting the battery as you said might do more harm than good? Surely that shouldn't be the case?

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kevzs960
On new kugas focus fiesta and i think mondeos they got bms (battery monitoring systems) and they keep the battery at a certian state when evrything is switched off or powering down (keep alive memory) and once you disconnect the battery you need to reset it, there has been cases where people have managed to spike the pcms by not resetting it.

Plus theres 6-7 years diffrence in technology changes from your 57 mondeo and a 2013 shape kuga.

Once the pcm recognises a drive cycle it will remeber it and the o ly way is to manually reset the learned values. But like i said previous the information display dosent always show the correct figures

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Sirus67
Great info guys thanks. What's got me thinking is that the car was recalled last week so ford could reset the "miles to empty" trip computer software.


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Sirus67
Managed to get up to 46mpg yesterday enroute to Newcastle, sitting at a measly 65-72 mph right enough to attain this figure.... Driving miss Daisy!


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alexp999

I have pretty much the same engine in my Focus, although it is obviously not pulling so much weight.

 

I get around 40MPG around town. 45MPG when I take it on a back road run and got around 55MPG on a 4hr journey to Cornwall last June. The MPG will be better in the summer, I got only 51 MPG on the same journey to Cornwall last October.

 

I would still expect your Kuga to be able to achieve 50+ on a motorway run though if you are not breaking the limit.

 

My car did have over 9k on it when I bought it though and it has just ticked over 15k.

 

What fuel are you using?

Sirus67
I also was expecting around 55mpg on a long journey Alex, i think I definitely need to take it in and get checked over.


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jeebowhite

On new kugas focus fiesta and i think mondeos they got bms (battery monitoring systems) and they keep the battery at a certian state when evrything is switched off or powering down (keep alive memory) and once you disconnect the battery you need to reset it, there has been cases where people have managed to spike the pcms by not resetting it.

Plus theres 6-7 years diffrence in technology changes from your 57 mondeo and a 2013 shape kuga.

Once the pcm recognises a drive cycle it will remeber it and the o ly way is to manually reset the learned values. But like i said previous the information display dosent always show the correct figures

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Thanks Kevin, its handy to learn something new! was there a "start date" when this really happened? as I am curious! but some excellent information there!

 

I wonder if the manual has anything documented about this particular feature?



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