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BHeart
Hi

Since I joined the FOC, I've kept on seeing this "Fiesta Detailing thread" and today, I took the plunge and read a few reply's and I never realised that so many different products could be bought to clean a car.

My normal routine for cleaning a car is to hose it down to get off the loose dirt and then wash it with a car wash additive, using a soft sponge, then hose it off with clean water. Shammy it dry with a chamois leather. Then if it's a nice dry day, I would use Autoglym to polish it. Inside I would give it a good vacuum and then use armoural to finish off.

Now that I've just bought a new Fiesta,I will probably be doing something similar but, I would welcome some recommendations concerning the following:

I use a soft sponge but is there anything that would be better to wash the car with to help stop, or reduce the 'swirling' marks that gradually appear on the paintwork over time?

Without going overboard, what normal car shampoo is recommended?

With regard to the alloy wheels, the front wheels in particular are affected by the brake dust and once they are washed, what product can be used to shine and protect the wheels from further harm from the brake dust?

Glass. I normally use a high st glass cleaner with a old tea towel, any advice here?

That's it. I'll look forward to any advice.

Thanks, BHeart
greenymk7
I use a soft sponge but is there anything that would be better to wash the car with to help stop, or reduce the 'swirling' marks that gradually appear on the paintwork over time?

[color="#FF0000"]Buy yourself either a lambs wool or microfibre wash mitt, this will stop the swirling but you will also need to get 2 buckets. 1 will hold your shampoo mixture the other just clean water. Pick up some shampoo rub the car then wash the mitt in the clean water of the other bucket. this way you will never contaminate your shampoo bucket[/color].

Without going overboard, what normal car shampoo is recommended?

[color="#FF0000"]Most people would recommend dodo juice born to be mild. a new shampoo on the market is nanolex reactivating shampoo and is also very good[/color].

With regard to the alloy wheels, the front wheels in particular are affected by the brake dust and once they are washed, what product can be used to shine and protect the wheels from further harm from the brake dust?

[color="#FF0000"]Best product to clean the wheels without a doubt is bilberry wheel cleaner. to keep them tip top you should look for a product called FinishKare 1000P this can also be used on the paint work as a sealent over the winter[/color].

Glass. I normally use a high st glass cleaner with a old tea towel, any advice here?

[color="#FF0000"]I use 3M glass cleaner, it does the job very well. High street cleaners can mark the rubber surrounding the window[/color].

Hope that helps

Greeny
ozzrahog
I would recommend auto glym fast glass for the glass, also brings up plastic trim a treat.
Wonderjam
Hi,

Firstly, I'm new, so apologies for asking questions which have probably been answered countless time before...

I'm picking up my new Fiesta next month but I've always been fussy about maintaining the appearance of a car. This is my first brand new car and I want to look after it obviously. I didn't know there was so much to car-washing... I've always used sponges in the past but may have to re-think that one.

I've read lots on this thread and am under the impression that "Dodo Juice" seems to be a favourite and highly recommended. Is the "Dodo Juice - Born To Be Mild" OK to use for regular washing? When I say regular, I tend to wash my car every week if I can. My car is coming with "Diamondbrite" and I don't want to use a shampoo that will damage the finish - should I actually be using "Diamondbrite" products to maintain it?

Thanks for any help!
DanGull
Honest advice - ditch the Diamondbrite and then get the Dodo Products you fancy.

Diamondbrite is a sealant, and while it does a good job as a sealant, the idea that it is going to last for thousands and thousands of miles is laughable. I have been applying sealants and waxes for a long time - and I still get holes in protection. Your diamondbrite will probably have been applied by the 50p a car teenager who washes the cars on the forecourt...

If you must have diamondbrite, at least ask them to give you the kit so you can apply it yourself. I hope you haven't paid the OUTRAGEOUS dealer marked up prices for db - the whole kit can be had for a fiver on eBay.
Wonderjam
Hi Dan,

Thanks for your reply. Well, they're chucking in the "Diamondbrite", it wasn't something I actually asked for to be honest. Interesting to hear it's not as good as I thought though! I guess we'll see.

So, which "Dodo Juice" do you recommond then? I've no idea, as I've never used it before... Is "Dodo Juice" OK to use simply as a regular shampoo, or should it only be used as part of the whole "detailing" process?
aph1101
Dodo juice born to be mild (BTBM) is a great shampoo and can be used regularly. It is a favourite of many people here.
Gazjs
Get your limited edition Dodo Skull Candy ordered up :P
Got 2 coming to myself :D
greenymk7
got mine on order to from rubbish boys, only one though but it is going to be my winter protection along with FK1000P

got a few other bits aswell like the dodo detailing bag to keep some stuff in.
greenymk7
number 47 for me.

Looking forward to using it this weekend and mmmmmmm it smells so gooooood
Gazjs
Still waiting on mine :(
Ordered from I4D, hoping they come tommrow :D
Dont think i have any room for it on the car mind you :lol: Wearing 2 layers of FK1000p with a range of other waxes taking over different panels :lol: Dodo Rubbish Boys Juiced edition, Orange crush, Hard Cany, Autosmart Wax, and concours (smartwax)
Gazjs
Number 98 and 113
sussex
5 days off work next week :-) so going to

bilberry wheel cleaner
wash
dry
clay
wash
dry
poorboys black hole
2x dodo juice purple haze wax
Strutter
Any tips for cleaning over the Winter.

Just at the start of Oct i managed to get a clean, wax then a AG HD wax on top of that, but havnt got to clean the alloys, gave them a good clean maybe about 1 week ago, but the water still seemsto be running off them ok, thing is I think I applied teh 1000p back before the summer...how long could that stuff hold out?

Have BilBerry etc so thinking I can bring them up good again even if they fade a little!
greenymk7
I would say take your wheels off around about now, clean the insides aswell and give them 2 coats of FK1000P, that should keep them fine till spring next year.

I would also suggest using your 1000P on the paintwork over the winter. 2 coats of 1000P and 1 HD wax on top should see you out ok.
sussex
Gotta say poorboys blackhole is an amazing product! My black ZS has come up so well
Gazjs
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Gotta say poorboys blackhole is an amazing product! My black ZS has come up so well
[/quote]
Apply via machine for even better results :D
Also rating Autobrite Cherry Glaze just now.
sussex
Just out of interest, my old man has a VISION fez and has asked for xmas for a few bits and bobs for making it look good/protect it etc, wax/glaze wise etc what are great products for vision blue?
greenymk7
Ok, so winter detail has been done over this weekend. lots of hard work but hopefully it will now see my through to spring.

I dont have any before pictures as i got stuck in and completely forgot!!!

Any way the pictures shown are fully finished from:

Rinse
Pre wash - Surfex HD
Snow Foam
Wash - Dodo juice supernatural
Clay - bilt hamber auto clay
Wash - Dodo juice supernatural
Dry - chemical guys wonder towel
Glaze - Dodo juice lime prime lite
Sealent - FK1000P x 2 coats
Hand waxed with Dodo Juice Skull Candy

Heres the pictures :)

[IMG]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/greeny2k6/IMG_0351.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/greeny2k6/IMG_0355.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/greeny2k6/IMG_0347.jpg[/IMG]
This is my roof incase you couldnt work it out lol
[IMG]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n78/greeny2k6/IMG_0343.jpg[/IMG]
Gazjs
Looking great :D
What did you think of Skull Candy?, not tried mine yet.
greenymk7
i found it fantastic to be honest.

the definition was amazing and iv hardly used any of it doing the whole car. id say i could easily do it another 4/5 times before the pot goes.
Gazjs
Great, will need to try mine out next weekend :D
Gazjs
Does anyone know if I4D's Uber Blue Drying Towel is the same as CYC's Huge Fluffy Drying Towel?
Gazjs
Tried some Dodo BTBM today. Very impressed. Lives up to all the hype on the forums about it ;)
aph1101
Today's been the first time that I've been able to wash the car in a while today, and as you can see it was in desparate need of a wash....

Here follows some before and afters:

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[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu243/aph1101/Dec%202010/IMG_4237.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu243/aph1101/Dec%202010/IMG_4239.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu243/aph1101/Dec%202010/IMG_4242.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu243/aph1101/Dec%202010/IMG_4243.jpg[/IMG]
Gazjs
Much much better :P
Strutter
Hello again, its about taht time where I show up and ask for advice again!

I assume teh Dodo waxes are still the top stuff, was looking at a good shampoo to use with a Mitt for handwashing, and then I already have some AG normal wax resin, and HD stuff, but was remembering someone saying about the Dodo being much better, lasts longer, but I Have the White, so whats best for it, and do they do a colour charged wax so i can see where it has gone on.

Also actually seeing as I posted this....what do yas think on Orbital polishers...looking for something to take the work out of polishing the car, tho id probly still apply by hand.
Nicola 88
Ok

I Have been reading what detailing products to get for a while now and 'think' I have a decent list, what do you guys think?


Dodo Juice 'Born to be Mild' Shampoo
Dodo Juice Hard Candy Wax
Dodo Juice 'Lime prime lite' (My cars only a couple of months old, so I presume I don't need the normal stuff for now)
Dodo Juice Red Mist' Spray
Bilbery wheel cleaner (and a chemical resistant bottle)
Smartwax Rimwax
Poorboys Wheel Sealant
Bilt-Hamber auto clay

I4D Uber blue drying towel
EZ detail mini brush
Some more microfibre clothes.
2x grit guards

Also does anyone know where I can get a hold of some FK1000? I would love to try it out

My car is filthy now, took it on a little trip to inverness and its in dire need of a clean >_<
DanGull
You don't need rim wax and pb wheel sealant - they're effectively doing the same job. And anyway - if you get some FK1000P you don't need either, it's the best wheel sealant I've used and it goes on the paint too - win win.

FK1000P can be had from Serious Performance - their show detailer is also worth a look as a top layer to finish things off.

[url="http://www.seriousperformance.co.uk/Products,52,toView_402.html"]Serious Performance[/url]

I would recommend you're going to need more microfibre than one towel - I have hundreds and can get through 30+ in a big detail, and let's be honest that's what you're looking at here.
Nicola 88
Thanks for the tips,

I checked Serious Performance, they are out of stock until the end of July and I would ideally like some before that. I would buy from cleanyourcar but it doesn't recognise my address, I have sent them an email though so hopefully I will be able to order some soon.

I have about 10microfibre clothes at the moment, will definitely invest in some more then, I will see if I can buy some in bulk anywhere.

Thanks!
greenymk7
Hi Nicola

heres a link to FK1000P from clean your car.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealants/finishkare-1000p-hi-temp-sealant/prod_589.html
Nicola 88
Thanks greeny!

I just ordered some, I can't wait for it to arrive :D
barrywi
Here is a tip from a motor cycling friend of mine. You Meguiars fans will hit the roof I know but here goes.
MR SHEEN!!!
I have used it on several cars including my pride and joy ...a 2007 Jaguar XJ. It doesnt remove scratches but if you want a quick shine its great, especially as there are no white deposits and you can use it on glass, plastic bumpers everything.
You may have to use it more often than wax polish but you should see the beading when it rains.
ozzrahog
Before I had used wax on my car it was easy to dry after washing with an I4D absorbant towel. These days having used Autoglym HD wax, the water beads after washing and it's a nightmare drying the car with the towel, can seem to get all the water off and it leaves big streaks any ideas
DanGull
Sounds like your wax layers are too thick to me.

You may want to try sheeting the car - after washing use an open hose (not a pressure washer) and gently run water from the top of the car to bottom - it helps drying.

There are also drying aids available - Dodo make one, or a number of other products also help the drying process - quick detailer for example. Mist it on after washing and before drying.
Strutter
Washed the car today, but its littered with black specs or what I can only assume is either tar od rubber, all over the paint work and it wasnt for moving, the car was clean so I manged to get a layer of AG HD Wax on (ran out of light)..so Im assuming this is where claying comes in?...does it lift and remove those spots easily enough?
aph1101
[quote name='Strutter' timestamp='1295201832' post='110133']
Washed the car today, but its littered with black specs or what I can only assume is either tar od rubber, all over the paint work and it wasnt for moving, the car was clean so I manged to get a layer of AG HD Wax on (ran out of light)..so Im assuming this is where claying comes in?...does it lift and remove those spots easily enough?
[/quote]

I would imagine, from your description, that this is indeed where claying comes in. It removes the bonded contaminants, and leaves the paint very smooth and free from the crap you mentioned :) You may choose to use a tar remover, such as tardis, if you don't wish to clay, but I wouldn't if I were you.

To clay, you need a clay bar and some lube.

My reccommendation is:

[url="http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww.i4detailing.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fss000001.pl%3fpage%3dsearch%26SS%3dtardis%26PR%3d-1%26TB%3dA&WD=lube&PN=Dodo_Juice_Born_Slippy_Clay_Lube_Concentrate_9.html%23a1_21DJBR250#a1_21DJBR250"]Lube[/url] (The concentrate will last you ages. You'll need to get a bottle and chemical resistant sprayer.)

[url="http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ei4detailing%2eco%2euk%2fcgi%2dbin%2fss000001%2epl%3fREFPAGE%3dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww%2ei4detailing%2eco%2euk%252Fcgi%2dbin%252Fsh000001%2epl%253FREFPAGE%253Dhttp%25253a%25252f%25252fwww%25252ei4detailing%25252eco%25252euk%25252fcgi%25252dbin%25252fss000001%25252epl%25253fpage%25253dsearch%252526SS%25253dtardis%252526PR%25253d%25252d1%252526TB%25253dA%2526WD%253Dlube%2526PN%253DDodo_Juice_Born_Slippy_Clay_Lube_Concentrate_9%25252ehtml%252523a1_21DJBR250%26RANDOM%3dNETQUOTEVAR%253ARANDOM%26PAGE%3dSEARCH%26SS%3di4d%26TB%3dA%26PR%3d%2d1%26GB%3dA%26ACTION%3dSearch&WD=clay%20i4d&PN=I4D_Uber_Lime_Clay_Bar_1%2ehtml%23aI4DULC#aI4DULC"]I4D Clay[/url]

This is the clay I use, and have found it to be adequate.

One issue with claying is that if you do not do it properly and don't use enough lube, you may end up with some marring. Also, some people (myself included) believe that claying removes wax layers, but as far as I know, this isn't absolute fact!!

Hope that helps :D
Strutter
Hey thanks for the response, much appreciated.

I actually have some clay from a friend who got it..never intends to use it, its this stuff

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/zaino-z-18-claybar/prod_477.html

Is it ok?

And ordered the Dodo bottle...tho if I can ask I have a good quality bottle and sprayer (beand new, order to by accident), can i transferr the Dodo stuff to his bottle, teh spreay head is brilliant on it.

Fully prepared to loose the wax coating, as far as I have read if done right, the wax should glide on and off after.

Another thing..do I HAVE to wipe down each part that been clayed stright after, or can I move around the car..spraying and claying then do a wash over the car again?
aph1101
[quote name='Strutter' timestamp='1295307872' post='110289']
Hey thanks for the response, much appreciated.

I actually have some clay from a friend who got it..never intends to use it, its this stuff

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/zaino-z-18-claybar/prod_477.html

Is it ok?

And ordered the Dodo bottle...tho if I can ask I have a good quality bottle and sprayer (beand new, order to by accident), can i transferr the Dodo stuff to his bottle, teh spreay head is brilliant on it.

Fully prepared to loose the wax coating, as far as I have read if done right, the wax should glide on and off after.

Another thing..do I HAVE to wipe down each part that been clayed stright after, or can I move around the car..spraying and claying then do a wash over the car again?
[/quote]

No problems!

That clay bar is actually much better than the one I linked you to.... It will be more than ok :)

If you ordered that concentrate that I linked you above, then you can use any bottle you like. It's just like making up ribena! Add a little of the concentrate to the bottle, and then top up the rest with water.

The wax will go on and off very easily after claying. After claying, the paint will be so smooth to the touch, and perfectly clean. :D

My personal preference is to just rinse the panel I have clayed with some clean water, move on and then give the whole car a 2 bucket wash afterwards. I'm not sure you absolutely have to do that. If you want to get a more definitive answer, then just have a look on the detaillingworld forums.

Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any more questions.
Strutter
More than helpful...just a couple more...with regards to the plastic trim..does the clay affect it, do I keep it well clear of it?

How much clay would I use for the whole car...im not sure what size of bar covers what amount of car, and do you fold/ kneed the clay after every spot?..or jsut now an again..tho kneeding/ folding more in trouble areas?
aph1101
[quote name='Strutter' timestamp='1295387096' post='110379']
More than helpful...just a couple more...with regards to the plastic trim..does the clay affect it, do I keep it well clear of it?

How much clay would I use for the whole car...im not sure what size of bar covers what amount of car, and do you fold/ kneed the clay after every spot?..or jsut now an again..tho kneeding/ folding more in trouble areas?
[/quote]

I don't think clay affects the plastic trim, but neither does it do any harm. No need to steer clear!

I used about 2/3 or 3/4 of the bar I linked you above to do the whole fiesta. I would cut the bar into four and kneed a quarter into something between the size of a custard cream and a digestive biscuit. (can you tell I'm hungry?!). I would then fold over the piece of clay every now and again, maybe once or twice per panel, or until it looks too dirty. Some panels, such as the roof, youll be able to do the whole thing and it will hardly pick anything up. As you clay, you'll see that the clay bar picks up the crap off the surface and becomes dirty itself. You'll need to throw the clay away after you've finished with it. Remember, you can never use too much lube! The more the better in my opinion. :)
ozzrahog
[quote name='aph1101' timestamp='1295456660' post='110432']
Remember, you can never use too much lube! The more the better in my opinion. :)
[/quote]

That's what our lass says about her clay box too!!!!!!!



well somebody had to say it
aph1101
:lol: Very good!
mc_flame
Hi guys.

I'm just getting into the detailing lark, got myself foam lance etc.

I have a sea grey focus and I am looking for suggestions on what are the best products for me to buy.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Cheers :)
iNath
For someone who has never properly cleaned their car before (apart from bucket & wash mitt, occasionally some fun with the snow foam!) where is the best place to start?
Need some sort of idiot's guide!
Not looking to spend a fortune, but it does sound like I need some of this clay and lube to get all the crap off!
DanGull
[url="http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8406"]Detailing Guide[/url]

This has a few product suggestions in it as well as some advice on how to detail...
Si B
Hi,

Looking for some advice. I have owned a black ZS since April 2010 when it was 5 months old. I have cleaned it regularly with wash mitts, BTBM shampoo and dried with 14D Uber towels. It looks good when its done but I probably need to get a bit more serious with it. Should I 'clay' it and if I do how long would this take and then what do I do? Alternatively could I forget the 'clay' and just use Red Mist. If the latter is an option what would be best type of microfibre to use. Think I need new drying towels any suggestions and what should I do with alloys, tyres and windows. Thanks for any help.
Nicola 88
[quote name='Si B' timestamp='1295642688' post='110705']
Hi,

Looking for some advice. I have owned a black ZS since April 2010 when it was 5 months old. I have cleaned it regularly with wash mitts, BTBM shampoo and dried with 14D Uber towels. It looks good when its done but I probably need to get a bit more serious with it. Should I 'clay' it and if I do how long would this take and then what do I do? Alternatively could I forget the 'clay' and just use Red Mist. If the latter is an option what would be best type of microfibre to use. Think I need new drying towels any suggestions and what should I do with alloys, tyres and windows. Thanks for any help.
[/quote]

Claying will help get rid of imperfections, I have yet to clean my car properly so I am not sure about how long it will take. Have a look at this [url="http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8406"]Detailing Guide[/url], it is good for getting to grips with what you need to do and decent products for the job
DanGull
'Claying will help get rid of imperfections'

This is somewhat misleading - it suggests that claying can remove paint defects such as swirl marks and light scuffs. Claying removes bonded contaminants, that's dirt and other foreign matter that is often invisible to the eye but rather has to be felt by rubbing a hand over the paint surface. Claying the entire car can take a significant amount of time if you do it right - a couple of hours for someone new to it. It makes the surface better able to take waxes and other products and if you're considering machine polishing it's an absolute must as far as I'm concerned.

Claying and Red Mist have very little in common - one is for prep the other is a final stage product. Red Mist without clay can aid your protection and shine, but it's going to apply better, work better and last longer if the car has been clayed.
Strutter
Some new bits I bought..

Zaino Clay Bars
DoDo Born SLippy
ValetPro Cirtus Tar and Glue remover
IronX
Clean Your Car big blue drying towel
Chemical Guys Bug Bugger and Tar remover (thinking once bug season came along, really wanted sommen to shift them from teh front grill etc.
Some fo that blue masking tape as its annoying have to be so careful around the trim.


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