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Gazjs
I am looking into the possibility of buying one of either the PS3 or Xbox. What do you all recommend?
The "red rings of death"??? puts me off the Xbox and the one i tested in GAME seemed a bit slow at loading.
Not tried the PS3 yet.
What are others views?
DanGull
The only use my PS3 gets at present is as a Blu-ray player.

If I could only have one of the three (I have all three) next gen consoles, it would be the XBox. I have never had a red ring of any type (get a cooling fan extension when you buy it).

XBox Live is far, far better than PSN - plus you can get going on Forza and join in on our Fiesta races :lol:
JohnP
i'd say PS3, i much prefer it to the wii (which is why i traded that in) and i like the whole way it operates compared to the xbox. although to be fair the differences between the xbox and ps3 aren't that big and both are really good consoles, its just the newer slim line ps3s have big hard drives and the ability to play blu ray.
vinnyvangough
PS3 all day every day

Only good thing for XBOX is Forza.

Ps3 has wireless rechargable controllers, need batteries for the Xbox ones
Ps3 has blu-ray
Ps3 is by far more reliable
Graphics are better on Ps3 IMO
Dave-2912
Definately get a PS3. Beats xbox in every area IMO.
DanGull
[quote name='vinnyvangough' post='59585' date='Jan 12 2010, 01:08 AM']PS3 all day every day

Only good thing for XBOX is Forza.

[b]Ps3 has wireless rechargable controllers, need batteries for the Xbox ones[/b]
Ps3 has blu-ray
Ps3 is by far more reliable
Graphics are better on Ps3 IMO[/quote]

On the controllers there's no difference really - in fact I prefer having the batteries removable in the XBox. I have four controllers for XBox and four for PS3 - and often do four player gaming. If one of the controllers on the PS3 runs out, it needs to be plugged in to carry on - with the XBox you can do that, but alternatively you can also grab a battery which has already been charging on the station and keep going no problem.

Everything else - you're right, but Gaz needs to bear in mind that there are barely any PS3 exclusive games.
vinnyvangough
But the batteries are crap. My PS3 ones last a LOT longer than my little bro's XBOX ones
DanGull
[quote name='vinnyvangough' post='59621' date='Jan 12 2010, 12:11 PM']But the batteries are crap. My PS3 ones last a LOT longer than my little bro's XBOX ones[/quote]

Really? Mine are on a par...
thesilverfox
If you don't have a Blu Ray player, the PS3 is tempting.

That said, the online experience generally is much better for me on the 360. Graphics don't alone make a game, but when it comes to cross-platform games (GTA 4, Fallout 3 etc), developers seem to favour the 360 for development and as a result seem to have slightly better visuals.

As I already had a Blu Ray player, I opted for the 360. I've since decided that the controller is actually far better for my larger hands. People say the analog stick should be elsewhere, but only because that's where Sony did it first! The new Razer Onza is set to blow the stock controller out of the water - I've had the pleasure of testing one out and it was absolutely superb.
Gazjs
Anybody able to compare the loading times of each?
I currently have a Wii and PS2 so any graphics will be much improvement :lol:
thesilverfox
[quote name='Gazjs' post='59740' date='Jan 12 2010, 11:45 PM']Anybody able to compare the loading times of each?
I currently have a Wii and PS2 so any graphics will be much improvement :lol:[/quote]

Well, once a game is installed, the 360 loads games pretty quickly. The PS3 should be the same.
DanGull
[quote name='Gazjs' post='59740' date='Jan 12 2010, 11:45 PM']Anybody able to compare the loading times of each?
I currently have a Wii and PS2 so any graphics will be much improvement :lol:[/quote]

Yes - because I have Fifa 09 and 10 for both platforms (I have friends who own one console or the other and like to play them all online...)

XBox wins it by a mile for loading times - which is odd as the PS3 is the technically superior console. The look of the PS3 is somewhat slicker on the identical TV, and the XBox does rarely crash claiming 'the disc is dirty' (it does this even on brand new discs and after the bay has been cleaned...) I can't help thinking that the PS3 takes longer because it produces a better end product...
thesilverfox
[quote name='DanGull' post='59808' date='Jan 13 2010, 04:57 PM']I can't help thinking that the PS3 takes longer because it produces a better end product...[/quote]

Unlikely. The end product is mostly down to the GPU, which in theory, the 360 has a superior GPU to the PS3. Loading times are down to the CPU and ahrd drive seek, as well as the RAM etc. That said, the cell processor in the PS3 is better than the 360's offering, yet developers are struggling to make full use of the cell processor at present.

The biggest plus to the PS3 other than Blu Ray playback, should be the capacity of the discs for newer games, like FF XIII. Mulitple disc games should be no more, yet sadly, they will be on the 360.
Gazjs
Looking today i was surprised how much cheaper the Xbox was.209 for the super elite forza pack inc another game.
Am i correct that it cost money to use the xbox online and that it cannot be done through wireless?
DanGull
[quote name='Gazjs' post='60186' date='Jan 15 2010, 10:26 PM']Looking today i was surprised how much cheaper the Xbox was.209 for the super elite forza pack inc another game.
Am i correct that it cost money to use the xbox online and that it cannot be done through wireless?[/quote]

An year's XBox Live membership can be had for around 25 on eBay - access to the PSN is free.

It can be done through a wireless network - with the additional purchase of the wireless access pack.

By the time you add on the extra bits you have to buy to bring an XBox up to PS3 spec, they're around the same price.
Gazjs
Thanks for all the help.
I think i will start saving for the PS3 :D
Is it best to go with the biggest hard drive?
DanGull
Yes - and if you're saving save longer and get both :lol:
thesilverfox
You can bridge your Xbox connection to a PC to avoid having to buy a wireless adaptor. I do this and it's perfect :) Saves the rip-off adaptor.

As for the online services, try them both out. Allegedly, the Xbox Live service is meant to be better, but I have not yet used PSN. You'd hope paying for it made the service what it is. Mine has been fine so far :) Anyone on XBL here?
Paul D
[quote name='thesilverfox' post='60265' date='Jan 16 2010, 03:15 PM']You can bridge your Xbox connection to a PC to avoid having to buy a wireless adaptor. I do this and it's perfect :) Saves the rip-off adaptor.

As for the online services, try them both out. Allegedly, the Xbox Live service is meant to be better, but I have not yet used PSN. You'd hope paying for it made the service what it is. Mine has been fine so far :) Anyone on XBL here?[/quote]


ok had a read of all comments,

Xbox will take you roughly 30 mins to 50 mins to set up with all updates. PS3 took me 10 mins to set up

Also, Xbox will charge for the online Experinece. PS3 you buy the game, away you go!

Xbox is using a HD drive, of which only Xbox support whereas PS3 is future proofed with a Recognised Blueray format drive.

If you want wireless, Xbox will pump you for 45 quid for a dongle that they rebranded and made for probably 5 quid
PS3 its built in.

Xbox allows Sky content, for a price, PS3 BBC Iplayer is there, for free.

Ohh and if someone can confrim this last comment, PS3 you can stream your films etc from Server to PS3 to watch (I know this is correct), Xbox, cant?

i get my 2nd PS3 on Friday, and will be set up in bedroom where the other is used more as a player in livingroom from Streaming.

PS3 winS!
thesilverfox
[quote name='Paul D' post='61616' date='Jan 25 2010, 11:15 AM']ok had a read of all comments,

Xbox will take you roughly 30 mins to 50 mins to set up with all updates. PS3 took me 10 mins to set up

Also, Xbox will charge for the online Experinece. PS3 you buy the game, away you go!

Xbox is using a HD drive, of which only Xbox support whereas PS3 is future proofed with a Recognised Blueray format drive.

If you want wireless, Xbox will pump you for 45 quid for a dongle that they rebranded and made for probably 5 quid
PS3 its built in.

Xbox allows Sky content, for a price, PS3 BBC Iplayer is there, for free.

Ohh and if someone can confrim this last comment, PS3 you can stream your films etc from Server to PS3 to watch (I know this is correct), Xbox, cant?

i get my 2nd PS3 on Friday, and will be set up in bedroom where the other is used more as a player in livingroom from Streaming.

PS3 winS![/quote]

Certainly some extremely valid points. May I respond?

1. Updates never took me long - about the 10 minutes or so you mentioned for the PS3 was the same in my experience for the 360.

2. The XBL service is indeed 26 a year, but as some have mentioned, it still has very high subscription rates which would suggest it's a good service. No doubt PSN is good too - not really heard anything bad, other than whiney kids (they're everywhere)

3. The Xbox doesn't use an HD DVD drive - it's a DVD-ROM drive. The HD-DVD drive was an optional extra, which I won't hesitate to say - sucked donkey bits. The 360 plays DVDs and music/data CDs just fine though.

4. Built-in wireless was a naughty one to miss off - totally 100% agree with you there! I however, have never had an issue, as I game via ethernet or at worst, an ethernet bridge - wireless gaming is not ideal on any system, as it increases latency and ping times to the point games like COD are noticeably lagging. Connection dependent, but the times don't lie. Home plug is a good alternative too for all consoles, as latencies are practically nil and no cables around the house - all done via the electrical system!

5. iPlayer would certainly be nice on the 360, but that's been put back again. I don't use it much on my PC anyway, because a lot of stuff is only available for a limited time period, which I always seem to miss! Pretty sure this is a loss for the 360 though, as the Sky player is rubbish!

6. Xbox 360 works as a media centre extender much like the PS3. Reports now too that with the Divx 7 updated, streaming 1080p content (even mkv files I hear), is more or less perfect. The PS3 still can't deal with mkv files without splitting them I think - it has some problems, but is on the whole rather decent too.

That said, if you are thinking of playing your music back over HDMI into your TV/amp, it sucks. Music over HDMI from a console is awful compared to my modified X-Fi, which I use in a spare PC.

7. The Blu Ray player was a very smart move from Sony. Regardless of the fact it's not in the 360, Microsoft were never going to bend over to Sony and use their technology in their consoles. Not to mention Sony would never permit it - it's their game winner! Much how Microsoft never used the HD DVD drive as standard - they probably knew full well it would be the lesser technology at the end of the day.


So while both have their merits, I too would choose the PS3 if I didn't already have a Blu Ray player and a WDTV player. I have 4TB of mkv files now, and the Blu Ray player rarely gets used sadly - should probably give it to my parents. So with that in mind, I'd buy the cheaper format, which coincidentally, is the format multi-platform developers choose to develop games on (apparently because the Sony cell processor is hard to get on with and the 360 is a glorified PC).

What is interesting though, is that the 360 has sold more units to date - I suspect because of a) earlier release and b ) the PS3 was more expensive for a long time.
Paul D
[quote name='thesilverfox' post='61639' date='Jan 25 2010, 01:50 PM']Certainly some extremely valid points. May I respond?

1. Updates never took me long - about the 10 minutes or so you mentioned for the PS3 was the same in my experience for the 360.

2. The XBL service is indeed 26 a year, but as some have mentioned, it still has very high subscription rates which would suggest it's a good service. No doubt PSN is good too - not really heard anything bad, other than whiney kids (they're everywhere)

3. The Xbox doesn't use an HD DVD drive - it's a DVD-ROM drive. The HD-DVD drive was an optional extra, which I won't hesitate to say - sucked donkey bits. The 360 plays DVDs and music/data CDs just fine though.

4. Built-in wireless was a naughty one to miss off - totally 100% agree with you there! I however, have never had an issue, as I game via ethernet or at worst, an ethernet bridge - wireless gaming is not ideal on any system, as it increases latency and ping times to the point games like COD are noticeably lagging. Connection dependent, but the times don't lie. Home plug is a good alternative too for all consoles, as latencies are practically nil and no cables around the house - all done via the electrical system!

5. iPlayer would certainly be nice on the 360, but that's been put back again. I don't use it much on my PC anyway, because a lot of stuff is only available for a limited time period, which I always seem to miss! Pretty sure this is a loss for the 360 though, as the Sky player is rubbish!

6. Xbox 360 works as a media centre extender much like the PS3. Reports now too that with the Divx 7 updated, streaming 1080p content (even mkv files I hear), is more or less perfect. The PS3 still can't deal with mkv files without splitting them I think - it has some problems, but is on the whole rather decent too.

That said, if you are thinking of playing your music back over HDMI into your TV/amp, it sucks. Music over HDMI from a console is awful compared to my modified X-Fi, which I use in a spare PC.

7. The Blu Ray player was a very smart move from Sony. Regardless of the fact it's not in the 360, Microsoft were never going to bend over to Sony and use their technology in their consoles. Not to mention Sony would never permit it - it's their game winner! Much how Microsoft never used the HD DVD drive as standard - they probably knew full well it would be the lesser technology at the end of the day.


So while both have their merits, I too would choose the PS3 if I didn't already have a Blu Ray player and a WDTV player. I have 4TB of mkv files now, and the Blu Ray player rarely gets used sadly - should probably give it to my parents. So with that in mind, I'd buy the cheaper format, which coincidentally, is the format multi-platform developers choose to develop games on (apparently because the Sony cell processor is hard to get on with and the 360 is a glorified PC).

What is interesting though, is that the 360 has sold more units to date - I suspect because of a) earlier release and b ) the PS3 was more expensive for a long time.[/quote]


If i was being ultra honest, i would say if you;re going to play games online, get a decent PC, much better overall.

But i agree with your points, i think its like PC vs Mac everyone has their preference, and will bring good points to the table, its purely down the user and their needs and what their friends have too
thesilverfox
[quote name='Paul D' post='61642' date='Jan 25 2010, 02:05 PM']If i was being ultra honest, i would say if you;re going to play games online, get a decent PC, much better overall.

But i agree with your points, i think its like PC vs Mac everyone has their preference, and will bring good points to the table, its purely down the user and their needs and what their friends have too[/quote]

I actually converted from PC gaming, as I was fed-up of frequently needing to update GPUs in order to play new games as intended. It became an expensive hobby and there were far easier ways for PC gamers to cheat than consoles (which do have their issues too).

FPS games are still a bone of contention, but otherwise, I know games will work right away and not need hardware patches and work-arounds or new GPU drivers to fix bugs half-way through a game unprompted (consoles tend to update instantly).

Sure, a PC is more versatile, but everyone's got a PC to work on. Consoles are just convenient and fairly low cost :) Suits me!

But the biggest thing to forget is that most people play PC games at a desk, and play console games on a sofa (or equivalent). I know where I would rather be!
vinnyvangough
I have streamed 1080p films from my external hard drive, through usb to my laptop, wireless to the router, and ethernet to the PS3. It struggled but did it on one film, the other 2 i tried no joy. But streaming normal films its just so DAMN GOOD
thesilverfox
[quote name='vinnyvangough' post='61770' date='Jan 26 2010, 12:22 AM']I have streamed 1080p films from my external hard drive, through usb to my laptop, wireless to the router, and ethernet to the PS3. It struggled but did it on one film, the other 2 i tried no joy. But streaming normal films its just so DAMN GOOD[/quote]

Yeah, there are kinks to iron out on both consoles to be fair and unbiased.

Most of my mkv files are between 10GB and 15GB with non-scene bitrates, so it can get slow at the best of times from a USB 2.0 hard disk being software decoded. Thankfully, the WDTV uses a Sigma processing chip that is used in a number of Blu Ray players, and it's perfect with USB devices. There is unofficial wireless support too for streaming, but I digress :lol:
vinnyvangough
To be honest, a lot of it is just peoples preferances from years ago.

IE, I had the PS1, PS2 etc etc Just a bit of company loyalty

Both got advantages. Both got disadvantages.

I see what you say though
thesilverfox
[quote name='vinnyvangough' post='61810' date='Jan 26 2010, 12:59 PM']To be honest, a lot of it is just peoples preferances from years ago.

IE, I had the PS1, PS2 etc etc Just a bit of company loyalty

Both got advantages. Both got disadvantages.

I see what you say though[/quote]

Yikes, well my loyalty sucks! I've had a Sega Game Gear, Nintendo 64, PS1, Wii, DS and Xbox 360. Seems like I love the big N :lol:
SteveThePirate
IMO after playing on both consoles this week i find them to be pretty much the same.
Played Modern Warfare 2 on both, Graphics wise they were nearly the same, ps3 was slightly better though. But we didn't have the xbox running on HD.
Online play, xbox is better but at a cost, so thats up to you.
But to me the Ps3 controls just feel better, more natural to use and I found myself doing alot better with the Ps3 version.

Also Xbox has media center is thats any interest to you, but Windows 7 can stream music to Ps3
Gazjs
I think i have manages to persuade a PS3 as a birthday present.
Just a pity its a few months away :lol:
Max_Headroom
I have never played an xbox but have a PS3 what i have done is add a larger hard disc -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2d3JCMHL4o


Another plus for the PS3 (one to add to the many in the thread) is you can add an operating system and use it as a PC.

Installing Linux on PS3 Pt1 --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdA1YAqXXjc
vinnyvangough
Is that installing Linux after the update that you need to play online that you can NOT install if you have Linux installed?
ken24
ps3 all day long i've just upgraded to a 350gig sata hard drive loads of memory now with a sata hard drive u can go as big as 500 + sweet :D
deano276
i have both but would prob say the 360 is my favorite
bigdaz86
ps3 all the way!!! sod xbox ps3 rules lol. if you want a wii give me a shout i've got a massive bundle i could sell you?.
reinaldo
I still go for PS3 because it is more reliable. PS3 lifespan is around 7-10 years while Xbox 360 is around 3-5 years. You'll also encounter some problems with Xbox 360 and Microsoft Technical Support are not helpful.
Gazjs
Finally got a PS3. 320GB .... Current games - GT5, NFS Hot Pursuit, Fifa 11
mc_flame
I got both, the xbox broke down, ps3 still going strong!
karl52focus
ps3 id say having owned all various formats at one time or another,although as mentioned theres not much diff between ps3 and xbox :unsure:
AndyJ
I have both. I have had the 360 for a lot longer so have more games on that. All the new games I have brought were for PS3, apart from Kinect, which is truly amazing!

Main advantages of PS3 is no fee for playing online and Blu-Ray player. Both brilliant consoles, both have pros and cons.
welshy46
Noobs!! its PC all the way for me, i do have a ps3 as well for blue ray player.wouldn't allow deathbox in the house.
PumpkinSteve
I've had a 360 since they first came out, sold it after 3 years when the warranty had run out and bought a new one but have never had any trouble with either of them. I bought a PS3 about 2-3 years ago and sold it, it didn't have many good games out and the ones that were already out on 360 and had been ported across were poop.
fezzigaz
360 :) just because online mode is far far better than that of the ps3 -- even if you do have too pay for the priveledge :/
mercerft
Definately 360. Had PS1 and PS2 both ok consoles and went to the original X-Box which was better but mostly because it came out years after so would have better techonology. Seen the PS3 graphics are about the same but the 360 has a bigger library of games.
Shauno2010
got them both.. xbox all the way!
Shauno2010
especially now with the release of kinect
p38fln
The Kinect is awesome - the only problem I have with it is I can't play multiplayer games with my small 32" HDTV unless they are turned based like bowling.
I have a 1280x800 3500 lumen projector on order, when that shows up I should be able to have a lot of fun with it :)
kevin lancelott
I don't have either the 360 or PS3 nor ever will.
mountninz
PS3 Definately

xbox 360 is good, but ps3 is better graphics + blu ray dvd cant say no ;)

altho sony's internet security is well um..
Foamy
All about the Xbox, I may only like games like Portal and some driving games but I love the interface, even if it is microsoft.

Plus paying for the Xbox live means if it goes down, there are a lot of people that are not receiving the goods they paid for... unlike if it's free you cant complain so easily ;)

Ali
PaulyPaul
In terms of technical specs, the PS3 is far better. The processor is alot more powerful, it has a built in Blue-ray player, and as the games are on Blue-ray format and not DVD like XBox, there is 4 or 5 times the size of memory, for more detailed games. However, because the hardware is alot more complex on the PS3, games developers, find it easier to write the games on the XBox's simple format, and then port it over to PS3. Therefore, 90% of games look, and play the same on both formats. The real potential of the PS3's power, is only show in a few PS3 exclusive tittles like the Uncharted series.

And although the XBox doesn't have a Blue-ray player built in, you can buy the units separately as add ons. I only own the PS3, and i chose it because I had the first 2 Playstations. However, as an end consumer, now the prices are pretty much identical, there really isn't alot of difference. If you don't have a Blue-ray player, i would 100% say buy the PS3, as you can save alot of money buying one separately. If the Blue-ray player is not an issue, then i would just look at which of the exclusive tittles you would prefer to play, and how the controllers feel.

Although looking at the date of the original post, i'm guessing you've already bought and gotten bored with whichever one you chose lol.
ONETrueSaturday
Xbox 360 for me.....


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