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Thanks for all your help, my alarm and windscreen wipers had just started playing up about an hour ago. Now with all the fuses removed and car still, we can now get on and start complaining to ford again!!, after last times questions on "why is the clutch going on our 07 plate S-Max after only 38000. Hope they are a bit more responsive this time, not sure if we can carry on telling friends on what a good car it is. Cheers Again