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#16 artscot79

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 07:22 PM

Sorry if i came across that way im just so sick of people slating cone's to death and jump on pannel's as if there made of gold and murr when i genuinally struggle to see the difference in gains and losses with a proper set up cone package. I got my cone for 20 quid with a heat shield and a 12 bought me a new feed for it so for me to buy a pannel it would of been "un financally viable" (can't spell sorry) and true its not severly modding but you know how pickey some garages are when you want to trade in espesh when its your 1st car.

I will conceed that the amount of negative cone stories i have hurd myself is ofputting but so far im yet to be involved in one (touch wood).

On a different note what are st170's like to live with day to day on commute's etc i was genuinally concidering getting one in about a year's time but the insurance group 15 was a bit well offputting so i was leaning more towards the st fezzy (group 13) its worth saying either choice would be left standard.

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ive worked on many a car doing these mods theres a few reasons why cones are slated first the amount of cheap universal cones out there by big companies like max power for example they are not designed for the car they dont suck enough air and second they are made with poor materials that let particles into the engine that shouldnt get in there causing over time damage. the enclosed boxes are yet another con they do keep the air cool but the it can only filter as much air as it can fit into that small enclosed space on volume of air it takes in no more than a standard box would it is however cooler air so small gains of around 2.5 hp -4hp max will be gained i dont hate cones or enclosed boxes they have there purposes if set up correctly a standard cone fitted right and made for the car by a good company like k and n with a heat shield placed correctly to reflect the engine heat and a cold air feed in the right place will give similar gains and work just as well however it was tested and for example it was found a honda civic type r worked more effectively and gave the best gains from the standard box and a panel filter the 300-400 induction kits lost power the reason is when you sit still in traffic the engine temp increases and theres no forced air going into the cone so you get a power loss due to heat soak after a few minutes of driving the temp will go down and it will work as it should again. its really down to the person what they want and like but its a fact that many have been going out there spending 100 quid plus on induction kits while the manufacturer of them laughs youll never notice 2-4 hp and the noise makes you believe its now sportier and faster just like a guy can have a big bore on his car you hear it in the distance and it sounds like hes going fast till he passes you at 20mph. there are a lot of bad cone stories for the reasons ive stated spotty kids in corsas whacking on any old one they can get a hold of not setting them up right etc ive had a 1.2 corsa in with a cone from a subaru sti they think its gonna make more power somehow and ive had ones so cheap thet thay have holes in them and yes they were all in for running problems might have summat to do with the dodgy filter and the exhaust made from 3 bits from 3 different cars and the 2 universal back boxes welded onto the end i aint kidding

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:01 PM

looks like ive posted a post thats touched a few nerves... sorry guys nd thanx for all your info nd experiances

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:27 PM

I wasnt slating them I was just going by my previous experience. Unfortunately when you have a bad experience it tends to stick with you.


As far as commuting goes in the ST its suprisingly very good on fuel. On a motorway i get about 100miles to a quarter of a tank which i think is respectably quite good. However, on another note, around town i get between 70-80 to a quarter of a tank. Personally I prefer the focus st's but once again its persoanl preference. I know its 2 groups lower but dont think there is much difference in overall premiums.

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Understood Slugsy anyway thats about a 1/3 more than my cus was getting out of his 57 plate st fiesta which irnoically got sold around your area, small world. I've got a feeling il end up with another focus chuft to bits with the one i have just wish it had more power. As for insurance il be around the 20 mark when i come to trade in so i was thinking that anything with st wrote on would be deluded dream :( youngest guy i know with one (his is the 225) works full time in an office and is 21 and he wont tell anyone his premium so im guessing its somthing stupid.

Artscot you know to much :P oj! A friend of mine currently has a red-top nova and his exhaust from the manifold back is a peice of scafold pipe (im not joking) welded to a corsa sport 1.6 back box with a vectra induction kit. No way in hell am i ever going near it period!. Then again it does give us something to have a giggle over when they have to pay more than the car is worth for a new engine sick but true.

Jimmyboiii youve just posted a topic where we all have massivley different views and experiances wouldant worry about it lol.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 09:12 PM

Understood Slugsy anyway thats about a 1/3 more than my cus was getting out of his 57 plate st fiesta which irnoically got sold around your area, small world. I've got a feeling il end up with another focus chuft to bits with the one i have just wish it had more power. As for insurance il be around the 20 mark when i come to trade in so i was thinking that anything with st wrote on would be deluded dream Posted Image youngest guy i know with one (his is the 225) works full time in an office and is 21 and he wont tell anyone his premium so im guessing its somthing stupid.

Artscot you know to much Posted Image oj! A friend of mine currently has a red-top nova and his exhaust from the manifold back is a peice of scafold pipe (im not joking) welded to a corsa sport 1.6 back box with a vectra induction kit. No way in hell am i ever going near it period!. Then again it does give us something to have a giggle over when they have to pay more than the car is worth for a new engine sick but true.

Jimmyboiii youve just posted a topic where we all have massivley different views and experiances wouldant worry about it lol.

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all i can say is that my sis had a peugeot 306 turbo m reg and that was 1200 a year on insurance with my mum as the main driver 30 yr no accidents my sis is 24 i know for a st my premium at 31 5yr no claims etc is 900+ ive found its usually very well off mummy and daddy who pay for it anyway yeah ive seen some dodgy jiobs thing is stand back and look at the car it looks good get under there nd have a good look theyre a bllomin mess i rarely do much with my cars i once spent excess of 4 grand modifying a xr3 and when it was written off not by me it was worth a hell of a lot less 1200 at the time i thought whats the point

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 07:09 PM

all i can say is that my sis had a peugeot 306 turbo m reg and that was 1200 a year on insurance with my mum as the main driver 30 yr no accidents my sis is 24 i know for a st my premium at 31 5yr no claims etc is 900+ ive found its usually very well off mummy and daddy who pay for it anyway yeah ive seen some dodgy jiobs thing is stand back and look at the car it looks good get under there nd have a good look theyre a bllomin mess i rarely do much with my cars i once spent excess of 4 grand modifying a xr3 and when it was written off not by me it was worth a hell of a lot less 1200 at the time i thought whats the point


My renewal this year was 950 with 3 points, 1years no claims. Your sister got taken the mick out of good and proper! thats on multycar though with my mum and dads cars on + them on my policy. Thats not declaring mod's though. Think il just get a 3dr zetec 2.0 esp or something then lol quite fancy a 2.0 or a tdci ghia with all the extras on ;)

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:06 PM

My renewal this year was 950 with 3 points, 1years no claims. Your sister got taken the mick out of good and proper! thats on multycar though with my mum and dads cars on + them on my policy. Thats not declaring mod's though. Think il just get a 3dr zetec 2.0 esp or something then lol quite fancy a 2.0 or a tdci ghia with all the extras on Posted Image

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its cos it was a 306 turbo with full leather interior dropped 40mm on 600 quid coilovers with full stainless exhaust and aftermarket alloys etc etc plus a remap and the boost was turned upa notch as well wouldnt have another diesel hate them just not the same as a petrol to me no matter whta ive had

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 08:18 PM

its cos it was a 306 turbo with full leather interior dropped 40mm on 600 quid coilovers with full stainless exhaust and aftermarket alloys etc etc plus a remap and the boost was turned upa notch as well wouldnt have another diesel hate them just not the same as a petrol to me no matter whta ive had


Fair does then lmao. My insurance wouldant touch me if i declared the cone and if i said id fitted leather seats etc theyd have a cron lol not worth it to me ive seen cat d focus's in the local scrapy and theres hardly any damage on them so either way if you have a tiny bump in ur car and go through the insurance chances are it would seem that it'l get written off and on the kind of roads i live on the kind of crash id have would be cat-c minimum.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:23 AM

Fair does then lmao. My insurance wouldant touch me if i declared the cone and if i said id fitted leather seats etc theyd have a cron lol not worth it to me ive seen cat d focus's in the local scrapy and theres hardly any damage on them so either way if you have a tiny bump in ur car and go through the insurance chances are it would seem that it'l get written off and on the kind of roads i live on the kind of crash id have would be cat-c minimum.

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well my quote came in for renewal for end of this month at 790 for my st170. thats with elephant. i have been driving 7years but my partner is a learner and she is on a provisional. Thats comprehensive cover and only 2 years bonus as i was on a traders policy before! no one else can get anywhere near it!!

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:50 AM

well my quote came in for renewal for end of this month at 790 for my st170. thats with elephant. i have been driving 7years but my partner is a learner and she is on a provisional. Thats comprehensive cover and only 2 years bonus as i was on a traders policy before! no one else can get anywhere near it!!


How the hell have you done that, ive just ran a quote up on churchill (sorry we cant complete this quote) ie sod off until ur 21 lol. Insurance is the worlds biggest !Removed! take because they know you HAVE to have it so they charge over the moon for it when i get the money to im moving abroad stuff the uk its a expensive nanny state cack hole. Rant over.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 10:54 AM

How the hell have you done that, ive just ran a quote up on churchill (sorry we cant complete this quote) ie sod off until ur 21 lol. Insurance is the worlds biggest !Removed! take because they know you HAVE to have it so they charge over the moon for it when i get the money to im moving abroad stuff the uk its a expensive nanny state cack hole. Rant over.

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oh and i'm only 23 (24 in march) and my mrs is 21. I took an extra 500 voluntary excess but thats it.

I agree with moving abroad. My dad lives in greece and he pays 250 per year to insure his car. When they insure vehicles they insure just the vehicle for any driver! Not like here where its a particular driver to a particular car!!

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