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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:53 PM

Hi All,

Some of you will know i am on the lookout for a decent example of a 2.0 TDCi Focus to replace my RS Clio. i'll be spending around £6k leaving me with cars that have done around 70-80k, which doesnt bother me so long as it has a FSH and has been cared for.

I have thought about the idea of getting one chipped when i find one. Has anyone done this, and with which company and what sort of realistic difference did it make?

I know how much 'shove' the 2.0d engine have as the mrs currently has a 56-Ghia as her company wheels and though i deteste the wheels, it is a lovely car that munches miles with little effort, and overtaking in 4th gear is pretty superb and proably not much slower than i can do it in 2nd or 3rd in the Clio!

If anyone has any general buying advice i.e. what to watch out for or info on the tuning it would be appreciated (bearing in mind dont wanna spend over £300 ideally). I'm just worried i'll have trouble adapting to a larger car after a car with so much raw speed as the Clio.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:35 PM

Hi All,

Some of you will know i am on the lookout for a decent example of a 2.0 TDCi Focus to replace my RS Clio. i'll be spending around £6k leaving me with cars that have done around 70-80k, which doesnt bother me so long as it has a FSH and has been cared for.

I have thought about the idea of getting one chipped when i find one. Has anyone done this, and with which company and what sort of realistic difference did it make?

I know how much 'shove' the 2.0d engine have as the mrs currently has a 56-Ghia as her company wheels and though i deteste the wheels, it is a lovely car that munches miles with little effort, and overtaking in 4th gear is pretty superb and proably not much slower than i can do it in 2nd or 3rd in the Clio!

If anyone has any general buying advice i.e. what to watch out for or info on the tuning it would be appreciated (bearing in mind dont wanna spend over £300 ideally). I'm just worried i'll have trouble adapting to a larger car after a car with so much raw speed as the Clio.

cheers in advance
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I'm not sure about the focus but i know of alot of horror storys about chipping st diesel mondeo's. The clutch cant take the extra power causing them to fail early and as you probs know causing you to sell a kidney to pay for the repairs thats the mondeo though.

If you get the 136ps diesel i think the power output after a chip is 150bhp with a s**t load of torque to match i think itd be a interesting venture into the unknown if a tad risky. VW's and Audi's take to it like a dream though ive seen chipped 3.0tdi quattro a4's hammering down volvo s60 t5's which are rapid cars to say the least and by hammering i mean pushing them face down into the mud and holding its head under lol.

A friend of mine chipped his astra 150cdti and f*** me that went like stink it could keep up with a vxr and through the gears it was faster well on paper at least. Chipping diesels and turbo's i think is a brilliant way to mod your car on the quiet for alright gains car depending.

Mike

Another thing you might want to think about is the price superchips for diesels are about 350-500 quid and the focus masks speed brilliantly so you could be tanning it down a bypass even though its a diesel and loose your licence by the time your hardly into 4th gear where as with personal experiance of clio's your doing 70 and it feels like 300 in a wheely bin lol.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:35 PM

Thanks for that Mike, good post!

You are spot on about them being good at masking speed well, the Mrs can hit 'cough' mph so easily without realising and yet in the Clio your ears start to melt at 60mph! It's a good car to know how fast you are going in, anything over 80 and you really know about it. Not that i condone or have EVER gone above 70mph on a public highway, you understand...

Havent heard too many issues with teh boxes but i would be careful to contact a few owners who have had it before i took the plunge, but 136ps and 230-odd lb/ft will do nicely for now (though the thought of 165ps and 270lb/ft + is rather tantalising).

I have considered the mk.IV Golf or circa. 2002-2003 Audi A3 route, but the Golf is just a bit old now and finding un-molested examples is difficult even with the 130ps diesels. The A3 is a lovely motor, but it is nigh on impossible finding one in the spec i want that is a 5-door. I have lived with 3-door hatches long enough and it is definitely time for my rear passengers to have their own doors! Lovely cars, the A3 even the 8 or 9 year old examples with xenons, leather, climate etc but again i really want 5 doors.

Also considered the Fabia vRS, i actually quite like the look of them, understated but purposeful and must really shift with the 130ps / 236lb/ft VAG engine and such a small chassis, but the interior is cave-like in all respects and i just want something a bit more 'grown-up' after the mental Clio.

On the flip side the Mondeos are too grown up, so i arrived at the only other logical choice, the Focus.

Hmmm......

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:56 PM

Thanks for that Mike, good post!

You are spot on about them being good at masking speed well, the Mrs can hit 'cough' mph so easily without realising and yet in the Clio your ears start to melt at 60mph! It's a good car to know how fast you are going in, anything over 80 and you really know about it. Not that i condone or have EVER gone above 70mph on a public highway, you understand...

Havent heard too many issues with teh boxes but i would be careful to contact a few owners who have had it before i took the plunge, but 136ps and 230-odd lb/ft will do nicely for now (though the thought of 165ps and 270lb/ft + is rather tantalising).

I have considered the mk.IV Golf or circa. 2002-2003 Audi A3 route, but the Golf is just a bit old now and finding un-molested examples is difficult even with the 130ps diesels. The A3 is a lovely motor, but it is nigh on impossiblt finding one in the spec i want that is a 5-door. I have lived with 3-doors hatches long enough and it is definitely time for my rear passengers to have their own doors! Lovely cars, the A3 even the 8 or 9 year old examples with xenons, leather, climate etc but again i really want 5 doors.

Also considered the Fabia vRS, i actually quite like the look of them, understated but purposeful and must really shift with the 130ps / 236lb/ft VAG engine and such a small chassis, but the interior is cave-like in all respects and i just want something a bit more 'grown-up' after the mental Clio.

On the flip side the Mondeos are too grown up, so i arrived at the only other logical choice, the Focus.

Hmmm......


What about the seat leon, there a 5door and vw based to shouldant be to awful to drive/live with, Skoda fabia vrs's handle like crap there supposed to be really spongey and lean badly when you really push them hard. I looked at an 03-plate golf before i got my focus and i can only insure the 1.6 so it was 0-60 in 3 weeks and had absoutly no kit shame really i quite like the gti turbo lol.

When my points go away (i was only doing 71 in a 70 honest :rolleyes: ) and ive racked up a few more years no claims i was thinking about a clio 182 cup with the option packs on but i know if i have that il get banned just driving it home and no way in hell would my parents let me near one.

If i was you id go to a car supermarket somewhere, make a list of what your there to look and and make a rough judgement on what you like then take it from there. Personally dont get me wrong i like the MKII focus but it looks as dull as tesco's own brand cheese for me itd have to be the brand new facelift if i had the money or the mk1 in a sporty trim.

The best i can say to you is a 2.0tdci 136ps zetec 5dr on about an 05-06 plate with as low miles as poss and not in a daft colour! lol orr if your budjet can stretch a little what about a titanium spec theyve got buckets of kit on but the sportier set up (im sudjecting the sportier set up focus's because a clio trophy down to a focus lx for eg would be a bit of a buzz kill).

Why a diesel anyway its the fuel of satan, wont a 1.8 petrol do? lol

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 04:58 PM

What about the seat leon, there a 5door and vw based to shouldant be to awful to drive/live with, Skoda fabia vrs's handle like crap there supposed to be really spongey and lean badly when you really push them hard. I looked at an 03-plate golf before i got my focus and i can only insure the 1.6 so it was 0-60 in 3 weeks and had absoutly no kit shame really i quite like the gti turbo lol.

When my points go away (i was only doing 71 in a 70 honest :rolleyes: ) and ive racked up a few more years no claims i was thinking about a clio 182 cup with the option packs on but i know if i have that il get banned just driving it home and no way in hell would my parents let me near one.

If i was you id go to a car supermarket somewhere, make a list of what your there to look and and make a rough judgement on what you like then take it from there. Personally dont get me wrong i like the MKII focus but it looks as dull as tesco's own brand cheese for me itd have to be the brand new facelift if i had the money or the mk1 in a sporty trim.

The best i can say to you is a 2.0tdci 136ps zetec 5dr on about an 05-06 plate with as low miles as poss and not in a daft colour! lol orr if your budjet can stretch a little what about a titanium spec theyve got buckets of kit on but the sportier set up (im sudjecting the sportier set up focus's because a clio trophy down to a focus lx for eg would be a bit of a buzz kill).

Why a diesel anyway its the fuel of satan, wont a 1.8 petrol do? lol

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Personally prefer modern diesels to petrol, petrol cars, unless a large engine and subsequently guzzle fuel in dirty great dollops, then they are completely gutless and have to cane them to get them to move. Plus i'll be doing lots of motorway miles and need something doing 50+mpg rather than 35mpg, diesel engines i have found are more reliable on the whole.

The look of the mk2 doesnt bother me, i quite like it in a strange sort of way. I wont be able to get on with much less than 70-75k on it but as i say if it has been looked after i'm happy.

As for the Clios, if you fancy one do it, best cars i have ever owned/driven. Fantastic fun and quick enough to worry Porsche drivers. Trust me on that...

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM

Personally prefer modern diesels to petrol, petrol cars, unless a large engine and subsequently guzzle fuel in dirty great dollops, then they are completely gutless and have to cane them to get them to move. Plus i'll be doing lots of motorway miles and need something doing 50+mpg rather than 35mpg, diesel engines i have found are more reliable on the whole.

The look of the mk2 doesnt bother me, i quite like it in a strange sort of way. I wont be able to get on with much less than 70-75k on it but as i say if it has been looked after i'm happy.

As for the Clios, if you fancy one do it, best cars i have ever owned/driven. Fantastic fun and quick enough to worry Porsche drivers. Trust me on that...


In that case good look finding one you like lol theres hundreds in the area so you'll be like a kid in a sweety shop as for the clio i think for me itl be a dream that will never come true il end up buying a st fiesta or something more "civilised"

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 06:33 PM

In that case good look finding one you like lol theres hundreds in the area so you'll be like a kid in a sweety shop as for the clio i think for me itl be a dream that will never come true il end up buying a st fiesta or something more "civilised"

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thanks mate. I have found a nice blue Zetec on the Wirral, 2.0 TDCi, 78k but with FSH and no known faults and looks in superb condition, i think it has just been a motorway rep cruiser.

Funny you say about the ST, a mate of mine wants to buy the Clio off me who has a white ST at the moment as to be honest (and yes i know i am on a Ford forum) the two cars are in different leagues. The ST yes is more grown up but dynamically is miles away from the Trophy, but also delivers only 25mpg on average compared to the 33mpg i get from the Clio.

Still very reluctant to sell but i do like the Focus, and the diesel grunt and 'laid-back' attitude!

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:15 PM

thanks mate. I have found a nice blue Zetec on the Wirral, 2.0 TDCi, 78k but with FSH and no known faults and looks in superb condition, i think it has just been a motorway rep cruiser.

Funny you say about the ST, a mate of mine wants to buy the Clio off me who has a white ST at the moment as to be honest (and yes i know i am on a Ford forum) the two cars are in different leagues. The ST yes is more grown up but dynamically is miles away from the Trophy, but also delivers only 25mpg on average compared to the 33mpg i get from the Clio.

Still very reluctant to sell but i do like the Focus, and the diesel grunt and 'laid-back' attitude!


My cus had a bright red st, it was nice but for the amount they cost il conseed there !Removed! lol buttttt very fast and cheap to insure which for me is the killer on the clio. I dont know chances are il end up with another focus be it an st or just a normal zetec is for the job situation to decide, good-focus st or clio 182 cup, bad-keep my mk1 or get a mk2.5.

My dad got his old car from wirral lol 2 mills honda theres some pretty nice cars nocking around there some right monsters to so be weary and i know this will sound daft but on the test drive give it a bootfull and see how it pulls lol prepair yourself for the degrade from hot hatch to luke warm lower manadgment car :P .

Oh how much u selling the trophy for by the way

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 10:54 PM

My cus had a bright red st, it was nice but for the amount they cost il conseed there !Removed! lol buttttt very fast and cheap to insure which for me is the killer on the clio. I dont know chances are il end up with another focus be it an st or just a normal zetec is for the job situation to decide, good-focus st or clio 182 cup, bad-keep my mk1 or get a mk2.5.

My dad got his old car from wirral lol 2 mills honda theres some pretty nice cars nocking around there some right monsters to so be weary and i know this will sound daft but on the test drive give it a bootfull and see how it pulls lol prepair yourself for the degrade from hot hatch to luke warm lower manadgment car :P .

Oh how much u selling the trophy for by the way

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Yeah i am kinda prepping myself for the change from ultimate hot hatch to a repmobile, but at the moment i just need something cheaper to run (which the Focus certainly will be) and something just more 'chilled'. The Clio is a superb drive, but the idea of having all the power at 2,000rpm instead of 75,000rpm appeals to me. As i said it'll only be temporary, in 18 months i'll be taking the plunge for a Megane R26.R!! Grrrrr!!

I'll probably not get much more than 6.5k for the Clio mate, it needs the belts doing soon and has done 64k. The market is only just recovering on the Trophys, but i bought it 2 years ago for only 1.1k more than that so teh depreciation hasnt been too harsh really...

I will be careful mate, i'll make sur i do all the necessary checks before buying. Does seem kosher this one, but also like the fact it has a towbar. I do kayaking, karting and mountain biking so a cheap trailer to put my stuff in will be magic. Towbars are damned expensive!

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:23 PM

BTW- you say there are quite a few for sale in the vicinity (seeing as we are fairly local to each other, i'm just south of manchester but am happy travelling over your way) but i have only been looking on pistonheads and autotrader, but there arent many for sale on there.

Can you recommend any other place or know of any other places there might be some decent ones for sale?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:45 PM

Yeah i am kinda prepping myself for the change from ultimate hot hatch to a repmobile, but at the moment i just need something cheaper to run (which the Focus certainly will be) and something just more 'chilled'. The Clio is a superb drive, but the idea of having all the power at 2,000rpm instead of 75,000rpm appeals to me. As i said it'll only be temporary, in 18 months i'll be taking the plunge for a Megane R26.R!! Grrrrr!!

I'll probably not get much more than 6.5k for the Clio mate, it needs the belts doing soon and has done 64k. The market is only just recovering on the Trophys, but i bought it 2 years ago for only 1.1k more than that so teh depreciation hasnt been too harsh really...

I will be careful mate, i'll make sur i do all the necessary checks before buying. Does seem kosher this one, but also like the fact it has a towbar. I do kayaking, karting and mountain biking so a cheap trailer to put my stuff in will be magic. Towbars are damned expensive!


Towbar usually means its been lugging something which can lead to clutch wear although it depends what its been pulling if its just a small tralier to take crap to the tip your laffing where as if its a 4wheel caravan your in the s**t lol. A megane R26 r isnt that the super hardcore one with plastic windows i like the r26 though one was in oulton park today in yellow with all the decals on best part a girl owned it :P . Belts on a 182 dosent that cost some daft figure cos the engine needs dropping down for acess lol hurd rumors ...

BTW- you say there are quite a few for sale in the vicinity (seeing as we are fairly local to each other, i'm just south of manchester but am happy travelling over your way) but i have only been looking on pistonheads and autotrader, but there arent many for sale on there.

Can you recommend any other place or know of any other places there might be some decent ones for sale?

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Evans halshaw webby, Arnold clark, all major car supermarkets in the area, m53 ford or one local to me fords of windsford have a dossle through the dealers acctuall websites and pistonheads cost a f***in fortune they overprice everything a focus like mine with a worse spec and more miles was on there for 4,600 where as i wouldant get more than 4,100 at best for mine with leather seats etc. Its a case of nuckling down with a brew and turning over every stone u can find took me about 3 months to find a st220 for my dad so il have a scout round the manchester area for u and if i find any good ones il post the links.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 01:25 PM

Towbar usually means its been lugging something which can lead to clutch wear although it depends what its been pulling if its just a small tralier to take crap to the tip your laffing where as if its a 4wheel caravan your in the s**t lol. A megane R26 r isnt that the super hardcore one with plastic windows i like the r26 though one was in oulton park today in yellow with all the decals on best part a girl owned it :P . Belts on a 182 dosent that cost some daft figure cos the engine needs dropping down for acess lol hurd rumors ...



Evans halshaw webby, Arnold clark, all major car supermarkets in the area, m53 ford or one local to me fords of windsford have a dossle through the dealers acctuall websites and pistonheads cost a f***in fortune they overprice everything a focus like mine with a worse spec and more miles was on there for 4,600 where as i wouldant get more than 4,100 at best for mine with leather seats etc. Its a case of nuckling down with a brew and turning over every stone u can find took me about 3 months to find a st220 for my dad so il have a scout round the manchester area for u and if i find any good ones il post the links.

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You are correct on both counts, the R26.R is a bit of a nut-mobile, a final flourish for that shape Megane in the way the Trophy was for that shape Clio, and yes the cambelt can be very costly, but only with Renault, independent specialists do it for around 500 all-in.

Yeah if you see anything that would be great, thanks for your help mate

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 03:06 PM

You are correct on both counts, the R26.R is a bit of a nut-mobile, a final flourish for that shape Megane in the way the Trophy was for that shape Clio, and yes the cambelt can be very costly, but only with Renault, independent specialists do it for around 500 all-in.

Yeah if you see anything that would be great, thanks for your help mate


No worries your a fellow foci well to be but yeah http://www.autotrade...us/60?logcode=p

Thats the best i can find on trader with reasonable miles and ISNT a ghia, its also the 136ps diesel.

http://www.autotrade...h38ep?logcode=p

That last one is a 1.8 tdci, i put that one up because if your only going to keep the car for 18months whats the point in going for the more expensive 2.0 or is the 1.8 to big a step down from the RS. There dosent seem to be that many on the market for the 6-7k mark there was a time when you would be shifting though hundreds think the best time to buy would be the company car changeover time.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 09:09 PM

Thanks for looking fella. Yeah to be honest if i can find one with more miles (a 2.0 i mean) then i'd rather do that, i have been in a 1.8 TDCi and there is a fair old difference in the torque they produce, very noticeable on the road.

Autoquake have a lovely Titanium in for only 5,514, but has done 89k. hmmmm....

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 09:27 PM

Thanks for looking fella. Yeah to be honest if i can find one with more miles (a 2.0 i mean) then i'd rather do that, i have been in a 1.8 TDCi and there is a fair old difference in the torque they produce, very noticeable on the road.

Autoquake have a lovely Titanium in for only 5,514, but has done 89k. hmmmm....


Only thing that id be thinking of is wear on the seats and wheel etc the drivetrain n mechanics shud be good for yearssss yet providing its been bothered with and looked after same should be for the seats but the leather ones seem to wear better for sum reason going of what ive seen on trader etc and the ghia just looks shocking to me lmao focus's dont suit wood and the wheels are crap. Then again if its only for 18months i beleve the phrase "who gives one" applies lol.

The MK2 has grown on me saw a sea grey one today 3dr titanium on the graphite 18's rear tints etc looked like someone really loved/bothered with it think its time for me to trade in the trusty edge in january hes starting to look abit dated :( .

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