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#1 craigs6124

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:58 PM

Has anyone any suggestions on how to get the rear suspension rear control arm bolts out? Both sides, at both ends of the arms have the bolts seized into the inner sleeve of the bushes. I managed to turn-out the outer bolt on one side, which ripped the rubber bush even more but instead of the bolt coming out it started to act as a jacking bolt, and caused the inner sleeve of the bush to push out the steel of the knuckle where the bolt goes through on the bolt head side!!! I managed to wind this back in again, which returned the steel to its original shape, but come MOT time its going to be a definite failure on the bushes.

I won't be able to drill this out, will I? I assume it will be a high tensile bolt. Grinding the head off the bolt won't achieve anything, as it still won't let me get the arm out of its location in the knuckle.

The (rear suspension) front lower arm outer bushes are the same too, but the rubber of the bushes aren't damaged on these.

I am wondering if grinding off the bolt heads, and the captive nuts will sort it, and the use nuts and bolts on the refit?

The only other option, as far as I can see, is to cut the arms into bits to get them out.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:54 PM

Has anyone any suggestions on how to get the rear suspension rear control arm bolts out? Both sides, at both ends of the arms have the bolts seized into the inner sleeve of the bushes. I managed to turn-out the outer bolt on one side, which ripped the rubber bush even more but instead of the bolt coming out it started to act as a jacking bolt, and caused the inner sleeve of the bush to push out the steel of the knuckle where the bolt goes through on the bolt head side!!! I managed to wind this back in again, which returned the steel to its original shape, but come MOT time its going to be a definite failure on the bushes.

I won't be able to drill this out, will I? I assume it will be a high tensile bolt. Grinding the head off the bolt won't achieve anything, as it still won't let me get the arm out of its location in the knuckle.

The (rear suspension) front lower arm outer bushes are the same too, but the rubber of the bushes aren't damaged on these.

I am wondering if grinding off the bolt heads, and the captive nuts will sort it, and the use nuts and bolts on the refit?

The only other option, as far as I can see, is to cut the arms into bits to get them out.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading.


its common for the bolts to be siezed they werent greased at the factory when the car was built i had same preoblem with my trailing arms took it to ford rapid fit after everyone elkse told me they would need to cut arms to bits and they dont they drop the subframe the only way to do it is with a welding torch and burn the rubber out completely ide suggest taking it to ford they know all the tricks to get them out

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 09:33 AM

How much did they charge for this?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 01:26 PM

How much did they charge for this?



wel with me supplying the bushes 250 quid that is for dropping the subframe down so the brakes need disconnected and replacing the bushes fitting it all back together and then doing the 4 wheel alignment

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 04:05 PM

Thats not too bad considering the effort and frustration I had yesterday and got nowhere. Where did you get the bushes from? I thought you had to buy the complete arms?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 06:29 PM

Thats not too bad considering the effort and frustration I had yesterday and got nowhere. Where did you get the bushes from? I thought you had to buy the complete arms?



if its the same bushes as me then ebay is where i got them from brand new you dont have to replace the arms the bushes come seperate and with the puller ford use they can remove and reinstall new bushes if you replace the arms as all the bolts are siezed youll need to replace both lower wishbones as well http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item35a33ecf90

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:21 PM

Mine are different bushes that are giving trouble. From what you are saying I think the bushes you needed replacing were the front mounting of the knuckle/tie bar (hub carrier?) where it bolts to the floor? I can see now how dropping the subframe will allow acess to these bushes. The ones I want to get out are the type where the mounting bolt goes through the centre of the bush. As I can't get the bolt out, I can't separate the 2 units from one another(rear rear lower arm both to the main crossmember and at the other end to the knuckle), so there is no way I can get at the bushes with a puller. It seems you can buy Powerflex bushes to go in there but I don't want to spend that much!

Had another look at them this evening, and now I am not sure if what I can see is the outer sleeve of the bush, or part of the arm that the bush is pushed into. I'll take a photo or two and see if anyone knows

Back to my original post I think. Any more ideas?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:39 PM

Mine are different bushes that are giving trouble. From what you are saying I think the bushes you needed replacing were the front mounting of the knuckle/tie bar (hub carrier?) where it bolts to the floor? I can see now how dropping the subframe will allow acess to these bushes. The ones I want to get out are the type where the mounting bolt goes through the centre of the bush. As I can't get the bolt out, I can't separate the 2 units from one another(rear rear lower arm both to the main crossmember and at the other end to the knuckle), so there is no way I can get at the bushes with a puller. It seems you can buy Powerflex bushes to go in there but I don't want to spend that much!

Had another look at them this evening, and now I am not sure if what I can see is the outer sleeve of the bush, or part of the arm that the bush is pushed into. I'll take a photo or two and see if anyone knows

Back to my original post I think. Any more ideas?



yep take it to ford lol honestly you might find its quite cheap like the guy said to me they come across it every day

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 08:59 PM

Ok, here are some photos of the offending bushes.

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These two are of the outer bush. The steel under the head of the bolt is the part that began to bulge as I wound out the bolt. Does anyone know if the rusty(est) section in the centre is part of the arm or is it the outer sleeve of the bush?

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This on is the inner mounting. This one isn't a captive nut. I can remove this nut, but then the bolt will not knock out.

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This last one is the whole arm to give an idea of the location of the other photos.

Does anyone know if these particular bushes are available by themselves, or do I have to replace the whole arm?

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 09:03 PM

Ok, here are some photos of the offending bushes.

IMG_2394.JPG
IMG_2395.JPG
These two are of the outer bush. The steel under the head of the bolt is the part that began to bulge as I wound out the bolt. Does anyone know if the rusty(est) section in the centre is part of the arm or is it the outer sleeve of the bush?

IMG_2396.JPG
This on is the inner mounting. This one isn't a captive nut. I can remove this nut, but then the bolt will not knock out.

IMG_2397.JPG
This last one is the whole arm to give an idea of the location of the other photos.

Does anyone know if these particular bushes are available by themselves, or do I have to replace the whole arm?


the bolts rusted solid to the inner sleeve so it needs burned out not knocked out with the rubber buned out the bolt can be cut easily really its a garage job mate and from, experience ide take it to ford as they will get it out without destroying the arm i would say when its done get under wiuth a wire brush clean up all that rust then paint it all with hammerite a few coats of laquer

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 09:07 PM

I'm not keen on letting Ford loose on my car!!!

The last time I let a Ford main dealer touch one of my cars (10+ years ago) I booked it in for one day for them to diagnose the problem. Booked it in for a second day, but they had forgotten to order the parts! Booked it in for a third day, but they didn't get time to repair it because someone was off sick!!!!!! Finally got it repaired at the 4th attempt.

Useless.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 09:09 PM

I'm not keen on letting Ford loose on my car!!!

The last time I let a Ford main dealer touch one of my cars (10+ years ago) I booked it in for one day for them to diagnose the problem. Booked it in for a second day, but they had forgotten to order the parts! Booked it in for a third day, but they didn't get time to repair it because someone was off sick!!!!!! Finally got it repaired at the 4th attempt.

Useless.



in this case its certainly easier an independant garage will tell you they have to cut the bolts destroying the arm then they will tell you the wishbone bolts are ceasased and they need replaced etc etc etc ford will cut or burn out the rubber letting them cut the bolt then replace the bush and put new bolts in you could use a cutter up the vcentre of the bush in the gap amd cut it right in two if you have a cutter thats suitable it can certainly be done without destroying the arms quite easily

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