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Just a thought, but are there any companies that do a DPF delete kit for the Focus?

I know that there are people out there doing them in VAG circles, so I'm sure there must be a kit out there for the Focus.

Like your fuel data link, very interesting. I had that engine in a S40 Volvo here is what I got out of it before I sold it:-

Miles........................Type of driving............MPG

1065......Motorway + touring in Dorset....44.60

896.......Motorway + touring in Devon.... 43.47

3147.....................Urban..........................38.43

5108................Total average..................40.42

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Why dont you try clicking your link again catch?

More "taking back" required?

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Not so, original link posted by me 8th July, bottletree posted to the thread 10th July. Now if he was taking an interest in the outcome of the thread, given he has the same vehicle ...................You contact BuyParts and report the fact today, after you called them Yesterday I hazard a guess, they altered that webpage my link linked to............... I rest my case M'lord :rolleyes: He has not been paying attention :D

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Not so, original link posted by me 8th July, bottletree posted to the thread 10th July. Now if he was taking an interest in the outcome of the thread, given he has the same vehicle ...................You contact BuyParts and report the fact today, after you called them Yesterday I hazard a guess, they altered that webpage my link linked to............... I rest my case M'lord :rolleyes: He has not been paying attention :D

Orrite, I'll let you off this time catch! :lol:

Fingers crossed for this "DPF Jetwash" on Monday!

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The best price I can get now for this DPF+Cat combined elsewhere is £350

That would appear to be par for the course in the cost stakes. I should imagine the DPF set up is the same for a Volvo S40 2.0TDCi as the Focus 2.0 TDCi as they share engines. And that said a guy was quoted ballpark £340 for the DPF alone if it is indeed the same component.

Fingers crossed for this "DPF Jetwash" on Monday!

Well I'll be amazed if that makes it a serviceable component. If it was a viable solution, I would imagine garages would be advertising the service........but I'm willing to be proved wrong......but I very much doubt it.

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There are companies in the US and Canada that have specially designed DPF cleaning machines, so it can be done. The only one I've seen in the UK is a place in Newcastle, so thats not practical for me being in Cardiff. These charge £145 for cleaning, but as delivery to them and back is requried, then this will add £57.50 to the overall cost. Still worth thinking about (cheaper than buying a new one at £350) but it would mean the car would be off the road for a while and I would have to keep the car at the garage after the DPF has been sent off.

I've seen on a Turbo Diesel forum that jet washing can clean it through enough too, and I know 2 knowledgeable car boffs who specialise in engine management faults+diagnosis, and they both suggested it.

Its a gamble I know, but I may have to waste £100 to try it (labour to get the DPF off, clean and replace, then take it back to Ford with fingers firmly crossed to reset and get it out of limp home mode) If it works, then great, I got a "new" DPF for £100, if not, then £100 down the pan, and I'll get a new one for £350. After fitting this and another reset back at Fords it will come to about £550 all in (including the £100 fail) which is just under a grand cheaper than going to Fords in the first place, so I'll take a chance.

I think quite a few of you Focus Diesel owners on here will be following this experiment with great interest! ;)

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There are companies in the US and Canada that have specially designed DPF cleaning machines, so it can be done. The only one I've seen in the UK is a place in Newcastle, so thats not practical for me being in Cardiff.

I've seen on a Turbo Diesel forum that jet washing can clean it through enough too, and I know 2 knowledgeable car boffs who specialise in engine management faults+diagnosis, and they both suggested it.

Fair does, lets hope it does work.

Its a gamble I know, but I may have to waste £100 to try it (labour to get the DPF off, clean and replace, then take it back to Ford with fingers firmly crossed to reset and get it out of limp home mode)

So it's still in Limp Home Mode, so will it just be a case of a Ford dealer resetting it [any cost attached to that, or has Ford become a charity overnight :ph34r: ]

If it works, then great, I got a "new" DPF for £100, if not, then £100 down the pan, and I'll get a new one for £350. After fitting this and another reset back at Fords it will come to about £550 all in (including the £100 fail) which is just under a grand cheaper than going to Fords in the first place, so I'll take a chance.

I guess you really do want the cheapest fix prior to getting shut of it

I think quite a few of you Focus Diesel owners on here will be following this experiment with great interest! ;)

I bet they are, I am and I have a 1.6 Zetec petrol :D
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Just a thought it being a Cat and DPF combo, I reckon the odds on a Jet Wash not working are much greater. Can you confirm Jet washing works on the combo's ? If not if I were you I'd save the £100 + Ford reset cost and bite the bullet with a new DPF

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Just a thought it being a Cat and DPF combo, I reckon the odds on a Jet Wash not working are much greater. Can you confirm Jet washing works on the combo's ? If not if I were you I'd save the £100 + Ford reset cost and bite the bullet with a new DPF

try this http://www.gencat.co.uk/dpf_cleaning.html

its not gauranteed though and at 250 quid excluding vat is it worth it? last thing you want is to pay the cash get it cleaned and it doesnt work or odes but only for a short time and yoiu need to spend another 750 i had a word with a guy along the road called davie he owns the diesel repair shop along from my house and he said that they have been unsucessful trying to get the cat and dpf combo on the mondeos cleaned and hisopinion is save the 250 quid 750 is better than a total of a grand

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I'm inclined to agree fellas. I spoke to the bloke who would be cleaning it and explained that its a DPF+Cat combo, and he said that it depends on the setup of where the one is relation to the other, but its pretty unlikely that cleaning will work as the cat is much more sensitive and wouldnt withstand a pressure clean.

Think I'll order a new one tomorrow at £350, get it fitted on Mon (hopefully between £50 and £100), then take it to Fords on Tue to reset and get it out of limp mode for £40.

Not ideal as its expense I really couldnt be doing with just before selling, but much much better than going to Fords. Downside is, as its not a genuine Ford part I suppose I cant 100% guarantee that its going to fit properly, but as long as I get rid of this engine fault and limp mode, I couldnt care less!

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I'm inclined to agree fellas. I spoke to the bloke who would be cleaning it and explained that its a DPF+Cat combo, and he said that it depends on the setup of where the one is relation to the other, but its pretty unlikely that cleaning will work as the cat is much more sensitive and wouldnt withstand a pressure clean.

Think I'll order a new one tomorrow at £350, get it fitted on Mon (hopefully between £50 and £100), then take it to Fords on Tue to reset and get it out of limp mode for £40.

Not ideal as its expense I really couldnt be doing with just before selling, but much much better than going to Fords. Downside is, as its not a genuine Ford part I suppose I cant 100% guarantee that its going to fit properly, but as long as I get rid of this engine fault and limp mode, I couldnt care less!

its certainly better than nothing i suppose at least you can say its done shame they had to make diesels so much of a pain like the guy i was speaking to said he gets so many people in and its dpf related none or little knew thay had it or that it would need replaced some cost up to 2 grand i havent been a big fan of diesels and i think you can see why everyone i know who has or has had a diesel has had misery diesel pumps going starting issues the noise at traffic lights etc etc sorry to hear its been a misery for you i take it another diesels out of the question then

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Once I get the focus fixed, I'll be in the market for a Mazda3 or Mazda6 petrol. My DPF diesel days are over, but I would consider a low mileage non-DPF diesel however

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Once I get the focus fixed, I'll be in the market for a Mazda3 or Mazda6 petrol. My DPF diesel days are over, but I would consider a low mileage non-DPF diesel however

Well to be honest I loved the Volvo S40 2.0D SE turbo diesel. OK you have a 1.6 but you will still miss the midrange torque.I sold it because the wife hankered back for a Focus. And on top of that, I found out everything about renewing parts on a Volvo seemed expensive compared to running a Ford Focus. Not that I had to fix anything in the 9 months I had it, and it just did its regenerations as and when the management deemed it was needed. I never had a service message about the soot filter all the time I had it. But like you and others the DPF issue was news to me, and worried me unduly. And so all things considered I swopped it for a petrol Focus, which to be honest suits our driving requirements better, and I have yet to find a car that is a better drive than a Focus.

BUT, would I buy a diesel again with a DPF, sure I would even on my low mileage, that better umph is great. Next year a 1.6 Focus will be Zero Road Tax, on my present 1.6 petrol it's £155. I get 32 mpg on average, in a diesel variant I'd be getting 50% more miles to the gallon.

Look what I'm saying is get the DPF replaced and you will have ballpark 100K miles of driving pleasure in front of you before it needs replacing. Even if your doing mostly urban runs, every 300 miles or so just drive it for 15 /20 minutes at between 3000/3500rpm, that sets the engine up to do a DPF cleaning cycle. If your not getting a soot filter full message the DPF is getting cleaned as and when, even with you driving style. But if you get the message just drive as stated before. The vast majority of people driving diesels don't have DPF issues. I bet it's in the region of 99.999% that don't have problems, understanding how it works and being aware of you driving now and again to aid the cleaning process, obviously helps.

I mean, you will be sat on a motor with a new DPF, Clutch, Cam Belt, Alternator, Front Disks and Pads.............what have you got to look forward to in the replacement parts stakes....a set of rear brake shoes?

Fix it, run it for six months if your still not happy with it. Play the Russian Roulette PX game again. And think on you will lose 18 months warranty if you flog it now. Small print may say if it's a private sale it can be transferred to the new owner for a fee. Sale to a trader or garage means the outstanding warranty period is lost as it cannot be transferred to a garage. Think carefully about your options before you make rash decisions based on your current duress.

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DPF+Cat ordered today. Was £350, now dropped to £310, so a little luck for a change! Fitting on Monday, Ford's scheduled for Tue to hopefully reset engine lights+error message and take out of limp home mode (fingers crossed)

I agree with everything you have said catch mate. I'm inclined to keep it considering now its practically a new car with all the new stuff thats been fitted, and I know once its fitted and out of limp mode, I'll be able to drive it properly for possibly the first time since I had it now that the split intercooler hose has been replaced, I'll probably really like it. (NOTE for TDCI owners: did you know ford have changed the design for this intercooler pipe? The original (the one I had replaced) had a concertina flexi-rubber at the top (similar to the main air box connector). Its now a solid hose, so my fault must be a common one due to the hose clip cutting through the rubber due to engine vibration. My advice to you all is to check for a split around the hose clip, as it has a big impact on performance and MPG!)

All this said, I cant help thinking its a jinxed car tho. The missus absolutely hates it after everything that has gone wrong, its very difficult to have confidence in a car having to put up with fault after fault after fault. I'm not in a mad rush to PX it tho, and if finding the right car for me proves difficult, that confidence may return if all goes well. Either that or I'll drive it off a cliff!

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All this said, I cant help thinking its a jinxed car tho.

Or you just bought a car that had covered nigh on 100K without having any money spent on it. And you ended up having to sort that neglect out.
The missus absolutely hates it after everything that has gone wrong, its very difficult to have confidence in a car having to put up with fault after fault after fault.
when have women ever been logical :D they are driven by emotion. Don't get me wrong it's not a failing it's just a fact, so sure she is going to feel that way.
I'm not in a mad rush to PX it tho, and if finding the right car for me proves difficult, that confidence may return if all goes well
the odds stack up against it failing every time you sort something out.
Either that or I'll drive it off a cliff!

No don't do that, with your luck you may find out you have a faulty drivers door mechanism :rolleyes:
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Or you just bought a car that had covered nigh on 100K without having any money spent on it. And you ended up having to sort that neglect out. when have women ever been logical :D they are driven by emotion. Don't get me wrong it's not a failing it's just a fact, so sure she is going to feel that way. the odds stack up against it failing every time you sort something out. No don't do that, with your luck you may find out you have a faulty drivers door mechanism :rolleyes:

i have to say i know how you feel my old vw passat was the same you lose confidence in the car when it seems to be nothing else than fix fix fix spending more and more cash on it as you go my mrs was the same she told me to get rid of it as she had ewnough to be honest so had i so i know where youre coming from its hard to like the car again i used to look at it and hate it and theres was no problem when i traded it in never looked back.

have to agree with the luck youve had youll try to drive it off a clifff the hand brake will stick on youll push a bit harder it will free off the seatbelt will suddenly fail trapping youre arm and pulling you in lol like catch says youve spent a lot and done a lot of work on it now maybe keeping it is the best bet i know whta youre thinking i thought it to ?what next?

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I'll get this DPF fitted (and hopefully out of limp mode) beginning of next week and see how things go. Fingers crossed, I may have a nice drive for a week or two!

CarShop may respond favourably soon, after my threats and emailing one of their executive directors, so I'll also see where that avenue take me. If they offer me what the car is worth now and to take the car off me I may consider it, and use the money to buy a car (from elsewhere!!) for cash to give me a little more bargaining leverage.

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UPDATE:

I bought the DPF from a Midlands company i found on eBay for £310.

Had it fitted today. It was far from a perfect fit (one pipe had to be heated up and bent to the correct position for example), but after 3 hours its finally on, and touch wood, all seems well for now. All the engine lights and warning messages were also reset and it is no longer in limp mode (so no need to visit Ford tomorrow)

See how goes. Fingers crossed, it will last long enough for me to find a nice Mazda 6!

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Finally, well done, pity it did not fit right first time as that racked up the fitting time. Which company did you use one eBay? As I see Ford Motor company are actually selling on eBay. And they state that any Ford part can be supplied. If it was not them it would be interesting to know how much they would charge to supply via eBay the actual Ford part. All you have to do is email them your registration number.

Give it a go and see what they would charge, as it may be of interest to board members for all manner of parts.

I see they are charging less for front mud flaps than what I paid else where on line 15% cheaper.

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I bought the DPF from Here

The ad says £350, but I rang the number to order, and they said that the price has dropped to £310.

I contacted that Ford eBay company.

For DPF they charge £1076.30 inc vat, and if you send them the old one back, they give you a £150+VAT refund. (basically so they can clean it out and sell it on for £1076.30 no doubt) Strangely enough, my local Ford dealer did not mention this old-part refund whatsoever!

I am amazed that main dealers dont offer DPF cleaning as a service, as I am sure there will be many just like me who refuse to buy the new genuine part considering this utterly ridiculous price.

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UPDATE:

I bought the DPF from a Midlands company i found on eBay for £310.

Had it fitted today. It was far from a perfect fit (one pipe had to be heated up and bent to the correct position for example), but after 3 hours its finally on, and touch wood, all seems well for now. All the engine lights and warning messages were also reset and it is no longer in limp mode (so no need to visit Ford tomorrow)

See how goes. Fingers crossed, it will last long enough for me to find a nice Mazda 6!

Hi hawker,

I have the same problem, so I'm going to order the same DPF as you. When the garage fitted it, what system did they need to reset it out of Limp Home Mode, was just just OBD systems or did they have to use Ford's IDS?

Thanks

Thomas

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It was a non-Ford OBDII system. Snap-on Solus Pro I think was the model, but its still quite a substantial+expensive piece of kit. Ford computer NOT required.

When you turn the ignition on just after fitting, you will still get the error.

Plug in the tool, and the error number should have changed. I originally had P242F for DPF replacement required. This had changed to DPF regeneration required (cant remember the code). Just reset the error code, switch ignition off+start engine, and hey presto, you can then rev more than 3000 rpm.

As I've said, its NOT a perfect fit. One pipe had to be heated up and bent into the correct position, but this MIGHT have been bent in transit. (Be interesting to see how yours is) Some of the holes for the heat shield did not line up correctly (shield had to be drilled) and at the front between the DPF and head shield, there is a substantial metal bracket that is taken off the original DPF and provides a bolt through a hole in the front of the shield to place a nut on. this could not be replaced onto the new (the shield physically couldnt be screwed back down in place at the top with the bracket in) and was left out. Its not too important as long as there are enough nuts elsewhere securing the shield in place.

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Hi hawker,

I have the same problem, so I'm going to order the same DPF as you. When the garage fitted it, what system did they need to reset it out of Limp Home Mode, was just just OBD systems or did they have to use Ford's IDS?

Thanks

Thomas

I realise I'm labouring on this point, but why do you not use that Ford link I supplied. Drop them an email with your registration number, and ask them how much a proper Ford replacement DPF costs. Might save paying a mechanic a couple of hours for doing a bit of blacksmithing, forcing a none Ford sourced part to fit.

An email costs bugger all, and your under no obligation to buy, and at least then you will have two prices to consider before you purchase. :rolleyes:

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I realise I'm labouring on this point, but why do you not use that Ford link I supplied. Drop them an email with your registration number, and ask them how much a proper Ford replacement DPF costs. Might save paying a mechanic a couple of hours for doing a bit of blacksmithing, forcing a none Ford sourced part to fit.

An email costs bugger all, and your under no obligation to buy, and at least then you will have two prices to consider before you purchase. :rolleyes:

See my post Catch (post 45)

:rolleyes:

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I bought the DPF from Here

The ad says £350, but I rang the number to order, and they said that the price has dropped to £310.

I contacted that Ford ebay company.

For DPF they charge £1076.30 inc vat, and if you send them the old one back, they give you a £150+VAT refund. (basically so they can clean it out and sell it on for £1076.30 no doubt) Strangely enough, my local Ford dealer did not mention this old-part refund whatsoever!

I am amazed that main dealers dont offer DPF cleaning as a service, as I am sure there will be many just like me who refuse to buy the new genuine part considering this utterly ridiculous price.

:o don't know how I missed that post, daft bugger. !Removed! hell that price is just taking the pee, obviously what Ford are saying is "they don't want to sell you one"

I'll try and find an article where it states Ford Germany, on hearing the Federal government was going to make owners of cars not having a DPF fitted would be charge every time they took their car into a city. Something like that, anyway what Ford did was offer to supply Ford owners with DPF's circa £185 if my memory serves me right. That was late last year.

Like I stated in an earlier post on another DPF thread, a Volvo branded parts supplier over on the Volvo forum sells DPF's for a S40, circa £345.

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