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#1 Jason Tierney

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 11:25 AM

Ive got the 6 speaker set up and have also had the 150W Pioneer underseat sub in my Fez, Subs great, and the standard speakers are ok, but looking to upgrade, keeping with pioneer as there "reccommend" by ford(well,there in the acsessories book) it states the ones to go for that wont require special fitting etc are the pioneer Ts-H 1703 speakers (for the fronts, im not upgrading the rears...yet)

http://www.pioneer.c...1703/specs.html

Theres the specs, 17cm, with tweeters, 2-way 180W Max, 91db sensitivity (are the standards not 180W anyway?)

Was looking on pioneers site see if anything else would be a standard fit and these looked promising.

http://www.pioneer.c...70Ci/specs.html

260W, 17cm with the tweeters as well, has more power and better sensitivity of 92db

Would they be a better choice?

Also, would the car have enough power to run the speakers with out need to be amped?

The sub has its own built in amp and I dont know much about sound systems

Thanks guys

Jay

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#2 AntonyJ

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 12:09 PM

Ive got the 6 speaker set up and have also had the 150W Pioneer underseat sub in my Fez, Subs great, and the standard speakers are ok, but looking to upgrade, keeping with pioneer as there "reccommend" by ford(well,there in the acsessories book) it states the ones to go for that wont require special fitting etc are the pioneer Ts-H 1703 speakers (for the fronts, im not upgrading the rears...yet)

http://www.pioneer.c...1703/specs.html

Theres the specs, 17cm, with tweeters, 2-way 180W Max, 91db sensitivity (are the standards not 180W anyway?)

Was looking on pioneers site see if anything else would be a standard fit and these looked promising.

http://www.pioneer.c...70Ci/specs.html

260W, 17cm with the tweeters as well, has more power and better sensitivity of 92db

Would they be a better choice?

Also, would the car have enough power to run the speakers with out need to be amped?

The sub has its own built in amp and I dont know much about sound systems

Thanks guys

Jay


I have these up front:
http://www.pioneer.c...70Ci/index.html

and these in the back:
http://www.pioneer.c...702i/index.html

They're 88db/watt sensitivity, which is pretty low and I have to set the volume 1 or 2 notches higher to get the same volume as with the original speakers.

As for fitting, I've posted photos before of the speaker rings I made out of ply. You can't just install 17cm speakers directly, they need a mounting ring of some sort. I'd expect they throw them in if you buy the speakers from the Ford dealer, but you can buy them easily enough (or do what I did). The tweeter is more of a problem. The standard one is very small and has a custom fitting. If you want to directly replace it, make sure the outside diameter of the tweeter is < 40mm. You could use hot glue or make some sort of bracket to hold it in place. Again, I'd hope the official Ford upgrades would include the right sort of fittings.

My tweeters are too big to go where the originals were, and I didn't like the placement anyway (it's too close to get decent staging). So I've put them on top of the dash, in the corners. They came with pods and I've fixed them in place using sticky foam pads. Routing the wiring through to the doors was a bit of a pain.

I did think about adding an amp. The main thing holding me back was where to put it! There's not a lot of room around/behind the dash and the classic route of sticking them in the boot doesn't appeal (I don't want to loose the space). So for now they're running off the head unit. At the volumes I listen (10-12) it's OK. I suspect at higher volumes you'd start to get clipping and distortion which would both damage the speakers and sound bad.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 02:16 PM

Hey up j if u do the rears I can help you, I didn't have any installed on mine, bought some kenwoods for halfrauds with some speakers rings that were 11.99 for two. Takes a couple of hours to do as u have to remove the rear seats etc

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:01 PM

both sets of speakers have the same RMS power of 50W and the same impedance of 4ohms so unless you are thinking of amping the speakers you would hear no difference in sound quality or volume between the two.

#5 Jason Tierney

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:33 PM

Thanks for that infomation. Ver appreciated. I guess il go with what ever ones are cheapr then ;)


Will let you all know results. Although id imagine it will be next month since ive just spent on my Milltek.

Jay


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