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#1 withaplomb

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:00 PM

Sorry if this has been brought up before but I had a quick search and couldn't find anything.

I've got the S1600 and since the bad weather started a few weeks ago it's loosing grip and weaving about the road at the slightest hint of snow or ice. Last winter I had a Mk7 1.25 Zetec with the stock 15" wheels and it handled fine. Is anyone else having this problem with the 17" wheels on the ZS/S1600 or have I just forgotten how to drive?

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#2 mikester

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:07 PM

Simple science buddy.... Larger surface area making the grip terrible, like you say, skinny poverty spec wheels are better in snow.

Check out the wheels on wrc motors on snow events

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:18 PM

I'd expect it to be a bit worse but it's almost undriveable just now.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:27 PM

I was going to make a thread just like this myself! My Zetec-S with the same 17" wheels as yours is just as bad. The car park at work has as slight incline to get out, which my old 2001 Fiesta managed fine, but the new car just can't do it. The first day after heavy snow I drove into the sliproad entrance and decided not to go fully in, so was going to drive up the slight incline and go park in a multistorey. Tried to set off, just got wheelspin. Tried 2nd gear, just the same. Turned traction control off, just the same. In the end I had to reverse out the sliproad entrance onto a 40mph dual carrigeway (luckily it wasn't busy!). Following day I went all the way in, then struggled to get out - despite being on the move the moment I reached the slope it lost grip at the front and started spinning. I tried a few times to get going then gave up and went out the entrance again (forwards this time though). Yesterday it looked clearer coming out (could see tarmac) and actually made progress - I made it halfway up then got stuck. There was enough grip to hold the car on the clutch but any more power to the wheels and it just spun. A mate from work and someone else gave me a push in the end! Then today I actually made it out on my own. Funny thing is, noone else I've watched leaving has had a problem on any of the days - they must think I can't drive either!

Though on the plus side, braking/abs works well and I can stop fairly quickly with minimal skidding. You can probably get much better tyres of the same size that can cope - another 2cm of width compared to my old car really can't make that much difference.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 11:44 PM

Seems to be an issue with big wheels & tyres, unfortunately!

Best car which I had for snow & ice was a 1993 Corsa with skinny "poverty spec" 145/80 R13 tyres. Didn't corner well in the dry though!

That was replaced by a 2002 Astra with 195/60 R15 tyres - & pretty useless in snow. My Fiesta (with optional ESP & "Traction Control..") has 195/45 R16 tyres & it's - absolutely - hopeless!

Incidentally it's been so cold, for so long, here in Sheffield that our concrete driveway - laid in 1963 - has risen presumably due to frozen ground beneath; with the result that our "up & over" garage door can't now be closed as it's fouling on the concrete. This problem developed very quickly over a 24 hour period & has never, ever occurred before.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 01:47 AM

Nothing to do with this particual wheel or Alloy, large low profile wheels just suck in these conditions, hence winter tires being thin to cut in better and have high walls with a deeper chunkier tread.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:54 AM

Looks like its winter tyres then.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 10:24 AM

We have got

a 1.6 Zetec S with ESP and 17" alloys

and

a 1.25 Zetec no ESP and 15" alloys

The Zetec S is much better in the snow with or without the ESP switched on. The Zetec S has Continentals and the Zetec has Michelins.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 03:30 PM

ditched me 17's brought two 15 inch steels from ford fitted some 80 winter tyres and it pulls like a train in the snow no more wheel spin for me yipee :P

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:30 PM

I've got the Zetec S 16s and had to resort to starting off in 3rd gear to get anywhere on several inches of snow and ice the other day.....although that definately did the trick!

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 10:18 AM

to be honest, I really don`t understand why you people do not buy real winter tires. I do not want to hear bla bla because it is not needed for 10 days of snow in a year. If I want to drive safely and get wherever I`m going to I will invest 300€ into tyres. If I`m using winter ones I`m saving summer tyres so at the end I`m not loosing anything (maybe just price of steelies and storage place), I`m just getting more safety during whole year. With my winter tyres I`m not having a problem to drive through Alps in 10 centimeters of new snow, or even on icy road it is not such a problem as with summer tyres where it is impossible to steer and brake. Winter tyres are much better when in is below 4°C than summer tyres even on little bit wet road. Just compare below 2 tyre threads and imagine what will handle better in snow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCyiBoTxCao&feature=related - also one really good comparison video


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Posted 26 December 2010 - 11:52 AM

to be honest, I really don`t understand why you people do not buy real winter tires. I do not want to hear bla bla because it is not needed for 10 days of snow in a year. If I want to drive safely and get wherever I`m going to I will invest 300 into tyres. If I`m using winter ones I`m saving summer tyres so at the end I`m not loosing anything (maybe just price of steelies and storage place), I`m just getting more safety during whole year. With my winter tyres I`m not having a problem to drive through Alps in 10 centimeters of new snow, or even on icy road it is not such a problem as with summer tyres where it is impossible to steer and brake. Winter tyres are much better when in is below 4C than summer tyres even on little bit wet road. Just compare below 2 tyre threads and imagine what will handle better in snow...



i don't need to, i know how to drive :)



i commute and do town driving for misc reasons and clock up between 300 and 400 miles a week total, not once in that time have i thought 'i need snow/winter speciality tires'.



if you've got enough money to swap tires and wheels fair play, but all season tires do the job fine here in the UK, its just the people behind the wheel that cause problems

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 01:40 PM

My titanium came with the standard 16" million and one spoke wheels, and were rubbish in snow, I didn't like them, so bought the 17" 5 spoke which are 695 (but incidently, on my new ZS with the street pack with tinted windows are only 300) but these are also rubbish!!

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 03:13 PM

My titanium came with the standard 16" million and one spoke wheels, and were rubbish in snow, I didn't like them, so bought the 17" 5 spoke which are 695 (but incidently, on my new ZS with the street pack with tinted windows are only 300) but these are also rubbish!!


Not gonna be the alloys that are rubbish, will be the wide, low-profile summer tyres.

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 03:29 PM

I am not offending you mikester, just people that cry that something is not working are driving me crazy sometimes, but the thing they are complaining about was not even projected for purpose they are using it (summer tires in snow) . I understand your point that winter tyres are not always needed in UK, but if I lack ability to drive on snow I can always help myself with some hardware that will help me to do what I want.

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