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#31 jig

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:52 PM

Looking around there are a few places around Kent who could do the same thing, if anyone is interested, I have spoken to kauto.co.uk and ecu-rs.com who can offer this service for between £300 and £500! if I cant switch the car, I am definately getting the damned filter removed...



Im in the same boat,just had the car serviced had to pay some of the cost of a new turbo and stand to loose too much from trying to sell the car.I have a service plan also but I think you can change the car.Its frustrating knowing what to do just hoping it doesnt start playing up again,and keep doing a suggested 20 run at over 2500 rpm every few weeks.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:19 AM

I wonder if the service plan can be transferred to a different make of car altogether... I doubt it...

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:00 AM

OK... so this information certainly is of help...

I emailed VOSA who then routed me to the DfT, and the outcome doesnt appear good...

From: dft.gsi.gov.uk
Sent: 25 February 2011 14:06
To: Jeebowhite
Subject: FW: Vehicle Roadworthiness Question regarding Diesel Particulate Filter

Dear Jeebowhite
Your email of 18 February about removing the particulate filter from a diesel car was passed to the International Vehicle Standards Division and I have been asked to reply.

Under Regulation 61A of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it is an offence to use a car on the road that has been modified and, as a result of the modification, does not meet the emissions requirement that applied to it when new. This is likely to be the case if a diesel particulate filter is removed. A copy of Regulation 61A is attached for information.

I hope this is helpful.


I replied back with the below, and it will probably take another fortnight to get an answer!

Good Afternoon and thank you for your reply. Until such a time as you are able to confirm the below information I will certainly not be taking the option of the removal.

Some companies have offered a “guarantee” that when they remove the DPF they will re-calibrate the ECU to ensure that it passes the emissions test for MOT. One specific company has offered a two year guarantee to ensure that this is the case.

If a vehicle is modified and passes the emissions test at a time of MOT, does this class as sufficient coverage to ensure that act 61A has been adhered to? And would the emissions have to meet exactly the standard as it was when it left the factory, or is a case that the vehicle must still pass the emissions, whereby as long as the vehicle does not fail the emissions test, then is this considered legal as per the quoted below?

I wonder this as I know as years go on the vehicles will lose efficiency and emissions will likely change as the vehicle and components age, and I don’t understand how the vehicle must abide to section 61A as it will age and surely will not be as efficient as the date it left the factory?

Does this mean that in fact the DPF removal service offered by some companies is in fact an illegal?

Kind Regards

Jeebowhite


Attached is the document they sent me

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:44 PM

good on you jeeb, be interesting to hear their reply. Mind you being a government agency I bet you still get a less than definitive answer back from them. Reason being nobody will have a clue, or indeed the authority for that matter to give a definitive answer, but we can all live in hope.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 01:03 PM

oh S**T!

Pass the word... Unfortunately it seems that DPF is very very bad, and can probably result in you sharing a very small space with someone who has been convicted for one thing or another...

From: dft.gsi.gov.uk
Sent: 28 February 2011 12:40
To: Jeebowhite
Subject: RE: Vehicle Roadworthiness Question regarding Diesel Particulate Filter

Dear Jeebowhite
Thanks for your further email of 25 February about the diesel particulate filter on your car. Please see my response (below in red) to your questions. I hope this is helpful.

Yours sincerely

Department for Transport


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From: JeeboWhite
Sent: 25 February 2011 14:22
To: dft.gsi.gov.uk
Subject: RE: Vehicle Roadworthiness Question regarding Diesel Particulate Filter

Good Afternoon and thank you for your reply. Until such a time as you are able to confirm the below information I will certainly not be taking the option of the removal.

Some companies have offered a “guarantee” that when they remove the DPF they will re-calibrate the ECU to ensure that it passes the emissions test for MOT. One specific company has offered a two year guarantee to ensure that this is the case.

If a vehicle is modified and passes the emissions test at a time of MOT, does this class as sufficient coverage to ensure that act 61A has been adhered to? No it does not.

And would the emissions have to meet exactly the standard as it was when it left the factory, or is a case that the vehicle must still pass the emissions, whereby as long as the vehicle does not fail the emissions test, then is this considered legal as per the quoted below? The requirement is that the vehicle must not be modified in a manner which increases its emissions beyond the emissions standard it was required to meet when new.

I wonder this as I know as years go on the vehicles will lose efficiency and emissions will likely change as the vehicle and components age, and I don’t understand how the vehicle must abide to section 61A as it will age and surely will not be as efficient as the date it left the factory? As noted above its modifications that increase emissions that are prohibited. Normal gradual deterioration would be acceptable.

Does this mean that in fact the DPF removal service offered by some companies is in fact an illegal? Yes we believe that it is.

Kind Regards

Jeebowhite



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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:55 PM

hmm.... that is some good beef jee...i will have to pass this on to another forum to let them know.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 04:24 PM

What did I tell ya

Yes we believe that it is.

a none definitive answer,that said I would not like spend a wad in court trying to get one :rolleyes: .

When you have been around as long as I have, you will realise it is better banking on cynicism than banking on hope or desire, as it pays out nine times out of ten. :D


And to be honest guys, like I mapped out in post number 11 on this thread Yet Another DPF problem !!!

If your into a motor five to six years old it is highly unlikely it will be in your possession six to seven years down the road. So there are no economical reasons to pay out for a DPF removal as it's ballpark the price of replacement anyway. On top of that, your insurance will be legitimate, nor will you stand the risk of picking up a "Go Straight To Jail" card. And your car will be easier to shift on at the right money come the time to part company with it.................in other words......... IT'S A NO BRAINER

Drop the idea

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Or going about making them

Now I don't want to here another word about DPF removal......... :D

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:18 PM

LMFAO brilliant!

its a right B*tch I have to say, I was hoping for something a bit more definitive, but nevermind.

Its a shame, all I can say is God Damn diesels...

The second I get approved for a nice big loan, its going to be bye bye Ford, hello Kia Cee'd!

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 02:25 PM

LMFAO brilliant!

its a right B*tch I have to say, I was hoping for something a bit more definitive, but nevermind.

Its a shame, all I can say is God Damn diesels...

The second I get approved for a nice big loan, its going to be bye bye Ford, hello Kia Cee'd!


Not to blow this threads trumpet at all, but since so many people seem to be interested regularly in the excercise of removing the DPF, would this thread be helpful if it was made a sticky thread? Would anyone agree or disagree?

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 06:50 PM

Not to blow this threads trumpet at all, but since so many people seem to be interested regularly in the excercise of removing the DPF, would this thread be helpful if it was made a sticky thread? Would anyone agree or disagree?

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as i suspected it was illegal well if you add eloys fluid dpf replacements and the cost of diesel is it worth having a diesel at all with some petrols doing more mpg than diesels whats really the point

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:54 AM

Hi John,

I believe you are right, it does seem to be true, and I think thats because of the engine and its tuning by ford! shame they couldnt just do that as standard...

Following on from this, above you will remember I contacted a company sinspeed regarding this, hopefully the information below will be of use to others. I am strongly considering them at this time!!

 

 

So basicly what is the conclusion,remove or just clean the dpf? i just deleted a P242f error yesterday from my car :/



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:03 AM

To be honest, the opinion of the DFT seems to have changed, I have heard others (not from the horsers mouth) that as long as emissions pass, its fine, however the MOT recently has been tightened up.

 

It really is down to everyone who wants a DPF removal to get a guarantee of MOT pass, and its down to them to take the risk, but there really is no straight forward conclusion I have heard recently.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 10:40 PM

I called a guy about taking mine off and he said why whats wrong with it, and I said nothing and his response was I dont like doing myself out of money but if its not broke why fix it, he said if im worried about it going first but maxx dpf cleaner as thats what he puts in customers cars and swears by it.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

I called a guy about taking mine off and he said why whats wrong with it, and I said nothing and his response was I dont like doing myself out of money but if its not broke why fix it, he said if im worried about it going first but maxx dpf cleaner as thats what he puts in customers cars and swears by it.

 

 

cant why just remove DPF and wash it and than just replace it?would it be much cheaaper :/



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:13 AM

There's more benefits that can be had by removing it, but even washing and replacing, that does for now, it still needs replacing ultimately at its 75k miles mark



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