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Poll: Hids On Mk7 (77 member(s) have cast votes)

Aftermarket HIDs on the road?

  1. Aaargh! I'm blind (28 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  2. Yaarrgh! I'm cool (32 votes [41.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.56%

  3. Oiiii. You're Nicked (17 votes [22.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.08%

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#31 orcomma

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 12:27 PM

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 12:57 PM

I think a major point has also been missed here. If you have HID's your car is not legal for road use. Therefore you will not be insured to drive a car that has been modified as such.

You will probably get away with it until you have or cause a fender bender when the insurance company may wash their hands of any commitment.

Stick with uprated bulbs, if you really need them.


Only by yourself, lol. It's been mentioned many times in this thread. :blink:

#33 mikester

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 01:11 PM

And another thing, I've never failed an MOT for doing 31 in a 30 zone either. The car is not road worthy, therefore another avenue for an insurance company to go down if a claim is made.


On that note, as with every change on my car my insurer is aware of my xenons, that and I will pass my MOT with them as the garage I use couldn't tell the difference between halogen and hid light (mine are 5k)


And for the record, fitting HIDs is not against the law.



Not having an MOT however is illegal. But remember your car could ride over a nail when you leave a testing station and be unroadworthy in the eyes of an MOT tester therefore your breaking the law.

Read in between those lines as much as you like.

#34 greenymk7

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 02:51 PM

Mikester Please read the rules on HID's

You need:

Washers on your lights
auto leveling systems
and proper lenses

The fiesta has none of these so therefore it is illegal to fit them its as simple as that.

If you MOT station is passing a car with retro fitted HID's then it is not doing its job and could get in alot of trouble.

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 03:10 PM

The fiesta has none of these so therefore it is illegal to fit them its as simple as that.


I agree!

Unless they are to be used off road.

#36 Mark M.K

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 03:50 PM

Some people just never learn do they...

I'm shocked by the attitude of some people in this topic towards HID's. They are illegal. End of.

#37 MRC89

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 03:53 PM

Mikester Please read the rules on HID's

You need:

Washers on your lights
auto leveling systems
and proper lenses

The fiesta has none of these so therefore it is illegal to fit them its as simple as that.

If you MOT station is passing a car with retro fitted HID's then it is not doing its job and could get in alot of trouble.


Even having correct lens' auto levelling and headlight washers would still make HID's illegal on a fiesta, you'd need to purchase the entire headlamp unit, that has been manufactured by a company, designed specifically for your car, and has passed all safety tests. I don't think any aftermarket company would consider this, as it's too expensive, every different car they made them for would need unique set-ups.

The only hope at legal HID's on a Fiesta would be if Ford make it an option for the facelift/ST. As long as there's no major difference in fitting, I believe you could do a straight swap (as well as adding washing/levelling systems). That would be road legal, expensive though.

And to dispel a misconception, just because a car has projector housing, doesn't make HID's safe. (safer though tbf) HID's and Halogens make completely different shapes of light, therefore it's impossible to get an exact match by swapping bulbs with each other, even Halogens in a HID housing wouldn't be right.

"In order to work correctly and safely, HID headlamps must be designed from the start as HID headlamps." - quoted from the link I earlier posted. (An independent source of a very successful lighting forum - 120,000+ members, 3,500,000+ posts - how can you deny that knowledge?)

#38 mikester

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 05:13 PM

yeah... 'illegal'.... so by that meaning, if i went to a copper and told him 'i've got xenons' arrest me..... you think he/she will... nah, jog on.


they make your car unroadworthy, which in turn is illegal. get off the bandwagon. like i've said, you're car can become unroadworth as soon as you've had it tested by a number of menial things, a bulb blowing without you realising... how many times have you seen a car with a tail light out... do you go up to them and say 'excuse me but you're breaking the law, you're under cistiizens arrest' only to find when you've dragged them to your local nick all the bobby hands the villan you've aphended is a form which requests they fix the defect and have someone who works in a garage sign the paper to say so. well done for upholding the law.

putting wind deflectors, stickers, vinyls, club decals... all these should be declared to your insurers as they coulnt as mods, but do you all declare tiny things like that that you've done? np... well this is actually driving without insurance which caries a heavier penalty than having an unroadworthy car.


... now notice how i use the word "unroadworthy" and not "unsafe". Reason being that HID's on my car (can only say it for mine) have not made my car any unsafer, need proof, come and drive past me and tell me your blinded... but even then you'd be lying to prove a point.


not aimed at anyone in particular, just aimed at everyone on their moral high horses.



go ahead and flame me, i love this forum for the bod squad they have going on.


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#39 Jason Tierney

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 05:49 PM

mike, you on ZSOC?

+1 for you, seems its just you and me that are breaking the law on this forum.

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 06:11 PM

I honestly cannot believe the attitude of some people on this forum.

They are illegal for all the reasons stated above by the many members that are trying to give good honest advice.

I know 100% that if you live anywhere near me you will get stopped, then you can have a simple fine, points and a request to produce all the relevant documentation etc,

Or have your car seized, this is fact I'm afraid

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 09:47 PM

Police seem to be cracking down on it in different areas it seems, Police didn't know what they were a couple of years ago, I actually read a 12 page long thread on a police forum questioning they're legality, and the majority of posters didn't know what they were, or if they could pull someone over for it, and what they'd do from there on. These days they seem to be more informed. However, legality doesn't concern me much...

... I've broken many laws in my short 21-year life, and yes I speed when I really need to, I know the car's limits and my personal ability, I never exceed those limits. What concerns me is safety.

Aftermarket HID's are illegal in most first-world countries, reputable manufacturers don't endorse aftermarket HID's, and they're illegal because they CAN be dangerous. I have yet to see a fiesta in the flesh with HID's so I couldn't comment really, but I have seen other cars, even standard HID's can cause irritable glare. I think the worst offenders are 4x4s the fact they're lights are positioned at everyone else's eye line is a big nono. Reflector housed HID's are terrible too, inconsistent glare everywhere.

If your determined to put HID's in though (I know a little bit about lights) my advice would be (from a safety perspective):
Make sure you have the projector housing.
Stick below 5000k , 6000k at a push(blue light is a nasty colour to the eye, and can change the way your eyes should react by causing the pupils to dilate, rather than close, causing more light to enter the eye.)
Stick to 35w rather than 55w in dipped beams, obviously less light output, less danger.
Do what you want with full beams, if people can see these, they probably shouldn't be on.
Do what you want with fog lights, as they're positioned so low on the car's body, the light emitted will rarely reach another drivers eye level.
As I said before, I haven't actually seen a fiesta with HID's, so I can't really comment on their safety.

tl;dr?

#42 Jason Tierney

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 10:16 PM

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Just incase any is not put off and still wants HIDs or wants to see what they look like- here are mine 35W 6k HID's and single LED "Fog" Light's

Jay

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 10:33 PM

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Just incase any is not put off and still wants HIDs or wants to see what they look like- here are mine 35W 6k HID's and single LED "Fog" Light's

Jay


smooth as! B)

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 10:36 PM

Thanks

That was its "winter" wash because It got caked in snow and dirt for about 3 weeks.

These pics are fro ma carpark in the city centre of Leeds!

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 10:38 PM

Frosty!

Mine's a yorkshire car (reg begins YP60) - was used as a demonstrator at polar barnsley before i had it dragged to polar stockport so I could buy it!

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