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#1471 Cragrat

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:18 PM

Hi,
I have now got an EML327 to run at 500000. I bought the one in the link by PREEE on page 1. It was half the price of the one that doesn't work. It has the red board. Now I can use it.
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#1472 minimadgriff

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:41 PM

Have you got a link to the one that didn't work at the right speed please? Will be handy so people can avoid it. 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

Did yoyu flash PCM? While I am waiting my ELM327 interface, I'm trying to get courage to flash mine after it arrives :) Inb worst case scenario PCM will be rendered unrecovarable, I need new one and then PATS needs to be reprogrammed also etc. Not sure if I can do that by myself and Ford carages will take huge ammouns of money for that...

Edit: Is there information available about PATS system? I am currently googling about it quite a lot. How does it work, haven't found definitive answer yet? Key contains chip, steering wheel column contains transceiver which allows key to communicate with PATS? What modules are involved? Is it only PCM? So if PCM will be changed, then only PCM + keys needs to be reprogrammed so that everything works again? Can this be done without IDS? Yeah, I am preparing to enable cruise for my PCM, but I need to prepare for worst case scenario...

Thanks again!

Edit2: Ok, I learned this much:

"The A or D version of PATS does not store the key information in the PCM, therefore NO PATS KEY RELEARN IS REQUIRED after programming.

The B or C versions of PATS store the key information within the PCM and MUST be transferred to the new PCM, or relearned on the vehicle after the new PCM is installed.

The E version of PATS also stores the key information within the PCM, but CANNOT be transferred to the new PCM. This type MUST be relearned on the vehicle after the new PCM is installed
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Source: www.bsecorp.com/files/techtips/FORD%20PATS.pdf

Focus mk2 has type E(?), so if new PCM is installed (and no keys are provided), PCM needs te be erased from previous keys after which new keys can be taught to it. Erasing can be done using Ford IDS, not sure if there are any alternatives to it...

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

The PATS system of the Focus MK2 and MK2.5 is fully integrated into both the PCM and the instrument cluster. The transponder data is stored into the instrument cluster only. When the ignition is turned on and the transponder is recognised correctly the instrument cluster communicates to the PCM and allows it to switch the immobiliser off.

 

For more protection the instrument cluster and PCM are synchronised with each other. This is like a data file which is stored into both modules which needs to be the same. If these files do not match the car will not start. 

 

 

If one of the PATS modules is changed the system needs to be reprogrammed before the car will start. First the transponder keys needs to be programmed into the instrument cluster. The Focus MK2 and MK2.5 uses the coded PATS system. To program this PATS system you need a suitable diagnostic interface which is able to program the Ford PATS system and an OUTCODE/INCODE generator. After the transponder keys are programmed the car will still not start because the instrument cluster and PCM are not synchronised. To solve this the PATS pairing procedure needs to be performed.

 

If the transponder keys are programmed and the instrument cluster and PCM are synchronised correctly the car will start without any problems. 

 

 

 

The programming can be done without the Ford IDS system but you need a suitable diagnostic interface which is capable to program the Ford PATS system and an OUTCODE/INCODE generator. For PATS programming I use the FoCom interface which is developed for Ford vehicles. Combined with an online OUTCODE.INCODE generator it works perfectly. 

 

Until now i have programmed 2 new folding keys for my car, changed my original MK2 instrument cluster for an MK2.5 instrument cluster and changed the PCM (for testing purposes). All without an expensive Ford dealer or the Ford IDS system.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:59 PM

Great information, thanks! As I am software developer interested in electronics hardware, also very interesting information...

So in worst case scenario I need to prepare to take my car to Ford dealer or garage which is able to either reprogram PCM or change it and reprogram PATS - should PCM flashing fail using elmconfig... Then again, garage like that can turn on the CC in PCM anyways so I could just pay them to do it...

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Hi The eml327 I bought which doesn't run at 500000 was bought from
http://myworld.ebay....984.m1439.l2754
http://myworld.ebay....se-diagnostics/
The actual eml327 I bought doesn't seem to be listed any more. It was advertised as an enhanced version. It does seem to be very hit and miss.
I have yet to reprogram the PCM and activate cruise control,but I have fully accessed the PCM. Next week I hope.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

With reference to the seat belt reminder. With all the options that are available there must be a way of having the light come on but not the chime?

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These screen shots were done in off line mode but does anyone which ones should be ticked to enable it again because I turned mine off with VCM/IDS I don't know which ones should be ticked!

With reference to this next picture, I am thinking that if one of these options are enabled it would allow you access the full menu options while the car is being driven. I just want to have "messages" accessible while the car is in motion. I did think that just selecting "sub menu level 3" would do this as it is the third option on the instrument cluster menu but enabling it didn't change anything.

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Anyone else done this or tried to do it?



Finally a bit of a random one. I enabled DDS, ECO mode and anti hijack today on a 2011 car. Everything went fine on the programming side but when turning the ignition on after finishing it came up with "engine malfunction" This stayed on after cycling the ignition. I checked the DTC fault codes and there were lots there all unrelated to what had just been enabled. I cleared the codes, it went away and it has been fine.

Anyone else had this happened before? I have done a few cars this week and messed around with mine loads but never seen this.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:57 AM

Hi,

Something new about DPF ?
I'm interested to read the log of DPF regenerations. It's possible to include this facility in Elmconfig ?

 

Thx,

Ovidiu



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

Will this program from Preee work in the United States on a Gen 2 (2009) focus?

 

If so, what ELM-327 has worked with this program and can be purchased in the US?

(the link to the ebay seller Preee provided does not sell to the US, and this one does not seem to work after triple checking my wiring and following all recent instructions in this thread)

 

As a last-ditch effort, I connected via putty and the atpp2asv38 command responds with "ERROR" - yes, the led light was on.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:00 PM

Will this program from Preee work in the United States on a Gen 2 (2009) focus?

 

If so, what ELM-327 has worked with this program and can be purchased in the US?

(the link to the ebay seller Preee provided does not sell to the US, and this one does not seem to work after triple checking my wiring and following all recent instructions in this thread)

 

As a last-ditch effort, I connected via putty and the atpp2asv38 command responds with "ERROR" - yes, the led light was on.

 

 

The US 2nd generation focus is completely different from the European Focus MK2/MK2.5. The US 2nd generation focus is basically just an evolution of the 1st generation focus.

 

The software descibed in this topic is not suitable for the US 2nd generation focus because it is electronically completely different.

 

 

As far as I know for this type of focus you can only read/erase DTC codes and display real time data with an ELM327 interface and suitable software. As far as I know there is no specially developped software for this type of focus which has the ability to change settings and update modules. 



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:27 PM

JW - thank you for the clarification. Looks like I will have to take my car into the dealer to activate my cruise control then. (ouch)



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 07:59 PM

The elmconfig software doesn't seem to work for me it either says coms port is being used or "ATZ" everything else seems to work and i am to switch between high and medium 



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:30 PM

Make sure you port number is below 10. You can also manually change it in device manager.
Could also be a driver issue.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:47 AM

Any Russian speakers here? I've been reading those Russian forums using Google Translator and while it translates 75% of everything, not everything in understandable. Specifically there seems to be talk about flashing PCM of 1.6 Ti-VCT 115PS engine and I cannot figure out what it is all about! And I have such engine, I do not have courage to flash unless I can understand...

 

This is part worrying me:

 

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На 1,6 - 115 л.с. Ti-VCT стоит SIM29. Существует два релиза
двигателей: дорестайл и рестайл (включая межрестайл). Дорестайловый
имеет два катализатора и 4 датчика кислорода (лямбда-зонды), в
термостате имеет "электронную" начинку (принудительное открытие
клапана), а так же имеет электромагнитный клапан для сброса воздуха из
системы охлаждения (финис 1 223 988). Отстутствие таких же дивайсов у
рестайловых двигателей как бы говорит нам о том, что прошивки дорест и
рест не совместимы. Однако рестайловая прошивка молча встаёт на дорест и
даже не зажигает джеки чана. Какие последствия от такой подмены -
неизвестно."

 

Google Translator gives this:

 

"

1.6 - 115 hp Ti-VCT is SIM29. There are two engines Release: dorestayl and Restayl (including mezhrestayl). Dorestaylovy has two catalysts, and 4 oxygen sensor (lambda probe), the thermostat has an "e" stuffing (forced opening of the valve), and also has a solenoid valve to release air from the cooling system (Finis 1223988). Otstutstvie the same device named in restaylovyh engines as it tells us that the firmware dorest Rest and are not compatible. However restaylovaya flashing silently stands on dorest and even lights a Jackie Chan. What are the consequences of such substitution - is unknown.

"

 

Does this mean that tehre may be problems with flashing OR does this jsut mean, that there are two variants of engine configurations existing (one vs. two catalysatros and 2 vs. 4 lambda probes and some more) and flashing firmware from wrong configuration could cause some funny things? Am I safe if I jsut read my current firmware, reconfigure and then rewrite that old firmware back?



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:46 AM

Hi,

these two mysterious versions of the Ti-VCT engine/firmware ("dorestayl and Restayl") mean simply 'before and after facelift'.  (including mezhrestayl) means some transitional version (never heard of). Both firmwares are not compatible, but the newer version can be used in older cars.



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