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#16 jonathan_phang

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:21 AM

Just been reading about the Sale of Goods Act just now (Yes, so rock and roll). I may give the Halfords Auto Centre a call too, to see what sort of costs would be involved, so that I can give that as a figure to the dealer. He might be ok about it and then I can proceed. As its in within the 3 months, he'll have to prove that the fault didn't exist at the time of sale, which will be tough, seeing as the airconditioning wasnt cold/working ie. No refridgerant or system oil = no leaks possible.

I definitely want it fixed somewhere independant, in case his preferred fixer just does a bodge job to stop the leak, without properly fixing it. And if all else fails, it was bought on wifes credit card, so can try to claim from them it all turns a bit ugly. Let see how much of a nice chap the dealer actually is...

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

this type of job needs done by either ford or a aircon specialist not halfords they dont have a clue ford will put a leak detection dye in the system then check under uv light for the leak and replace whatever is causing the leak replace and retest the system before filling it up

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:48 AM

take it back to where you bought it and let them sort it out...as people have mentioned the car will be under warranty...dont pay anything for them to do this work, its their problem.

by taking elsewhere you could be invalidating this. let them worry about it.

if they, for some reason refuse, you can legally take the car back state "its not fit for purpose" and get a full refund.

EDIT - further to last i agree that this is an aircon pipe...its looks like the rest of them in the engine bay. the coolant pipes are the black rubber ones. but looking closely at the second picture it looks as though a rubber seal is missing.

EDIT 2 - by any chance the leak that you mentioned, was it just a drip? if you can do a sniff test on the parts its landing on...i would dare say its just condensation

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

I only suggested them Halfords Autocentre (not the main stores, but garage franchise), as thats where the aircon service was done (and even then I only went there as they were the preferred fixer for the third party warranty firm). They did say that they placed UV dye in as well as part of the leak test, but looks like they didnt run/pressurise the system enough to see it. However they did say that it might take a bit of time for the leak to manifest, and if it did, then they would look at it again and refill anything need free of charge. I've tried to contact my local Ford and also Halfords Autocentre, but everyone seems to be MIA for the BH.

I kind of want to take it to some independent place, as I dont just want him to take it to some garage he knows and they might just do a quick fix job. Not sure if I am able to insist on where the repair is to be done. Will have to try and get in touch with the dealer again later, or at least tomorrow morning. Would be easiest to just say you take it, but would ideally like to give it back to my local ford once he has agreed to pay. Feel I am in a better position now, after readin up on my rights, just need to actually get through to him now.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

I have exactly the same leaking pipe problem on my 2005 Focus. A drop every few seconds. I took it to the garage assuming they would only replace the plastic ring and any inside seal. They called me back and said the heater matrix needs to be replaced as well for £500 as it is apparently leaking!!!!! I am not sure if I should believe them as the only leak I saw was from that pipe and it coresponded to the amount of coolant being lost - aboult half a litre per hour.

Did you manage to get your car fixed? What needed replacing and how much did it cost? This informatin will be really useful tomorow when I am ging to the garage.

Thank you!

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:57 PM

Hi

I've been doing a lot of reading about this as my girlfriends focus has the exact same problem .
The pics you have posted are slightly different to mine , 54 plate 1.6 ghia
After spending all of Sunday laying on my back with my head in the footwell it seems that the joint that is leaking on hers is definitely part of the heating/water system , I have slightly pulled this apart and it is the same colour as the water in the expansion tank .
Being a gas man and this joint looking like many on boilers I work on I decided to have a go .
I began by putting the clip back on , nope ! I slightly opened up the joint and wrapped it in PTFE and putting the clip back on , better but nope !
I then split it and wrapped more PTFE and a heat/water resistant , far better but a tiny leak .
More ready and I can across below ( I did try to post a link but stupid iPad won't show it )

I'm going to give this a go again ! Hope this helps

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"I have the same problem. I bought new O-rings and clips from my dealer - they were in stock and cost about £12.

I created a platform level with the car sill, using a board and bricks, so I could lie through the open car door, with my left shoulder in the footwell. Using a torch I was able to look up to the left of the clutch pedal to see the pipe joint and remove the clip. Just rotate the clip and spring it open with a screw driver.

I pulled back the pipe from the engine side of the bulkhead to separate the joint.

The old O-ring looked as if it had been trapped when originally assembled, and was split when I removed it.

Replace the O-ring in the internal groove in the end of the pipe which goes through the bulkhead.

Add some silicone grease, soap or washing up liquid as a lubricant, then try to get the joint back together without trapping the O-ring. It may help to have a friend work the pipe from the engine side whilst you try to line it up with the pipe from the matrix. Difficult! If they won't line up, remove the plastic spacer from between the heater and air con pipes, inside the car, where the pipes come through the bulkhead. The spacer should ping out if you fiddle it away from the plastic moulding through which the pipes are passed, using with a screw driver. This will give the pipes more movement to get them aligned. Finally replace the plastic clip.

I did all this - it took most of a day - only to find the joint still leaks. I hope you have better luck than I did. I'll be trying again later in the week and may add some silicone sealant this time. This is a pig of a job - even worse than replacing the clutch return spring! Good luck! "

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:58 PM

Christ , I've just noticed the date of the post !

Sorry for the slooooow response , how'd you get on with this .

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 02:06 AM

Hi Chris

 

Thank you for sharing this. Yes it s a late reply but very detailed one.

 

So, I had the same problem and didn't even try to fix it myself as it is in such an awkward position and it would probably still leak after my repair:)

 

I thought I rather take it to a garage and pay £50 or so to get it fixed properly. It was only a seal after all. I took my Focus to the garage and later that day got a phone call saying that the leak was from the heating matrix which now needs replacing at a cost of £500!!! I was suspicious and went there the next morning to see the car completely stripped off from steering wheel down all the way to the back seats. Mechanic explained to me that as soon as they tried to pull the two pipes apart the bottom pipe broke off from the heating matrix in a way that it couldn't be reattached because it is an integral part of the matrix. Apparently the reason why this area was so fragile was that some of the leaking fluid was traveling/sliding down the pipe towards the heating matrix where it was collecting and corroding the matrix hence the pipe broke off easily. Mechanic showed me the old matrix and it was corroded in that top corner so I just had to accept this and pay £600.

 

I am still not sure if they broke the pipe/matrix because they were just too rough. Nobody else posted this happening to them...

 

From my experience I can only say fix it sooner rather than later before this leak stars corroding more expensive bits of the car.

 

Uros 



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 08:04 PM

Hi Guys, I know this thread is quite old, sorry for reviving it, however I think I might have the same issue as uros. My car has been using about between 250ml and 500ml from the resivoir tank under the bonnet and I took it to the local radiator guys who said I def have a leak as they couldn't build any pressure via my resivoir bottle(Wow i know I have a leak guys). Well, My car has just come back from Ford after having done a major service but there was only water and no coolant. I told them about the leak but they just said its due to the age of my car(hogwash!) My buddy reckoned, drain the water, add some coolant then we see where it leaks as coolant leaves a stain. while we trying to find the drain plug on my focus, i saw the water dripping out and long story short we found it to come from inside driver footwell. We stripped the 1 cover off and found the mat was soaking wet and saw the rust marks.

 

Below are some pics from the driver footwell area looking towards the center console. Now my issue is, 1stly, is this a DIY job or not, 2ndly, if its not just the pipe that needs repairing and the actual heater radiator/matrix, how do this get removed?

 

Top right is a small blue arrow and I believe water is leaking down from this pipe as the screw just below it is rusted slightly. The text came out a bit small :-$

 

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The resulting rust from what i think is the heater radiator/Matrix

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Any help would be appreciated guys.

 

Thanks



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:42 AM

Yes these pipes are AC pipes. The leaking comes from the black O rings. You need to replace them. Have Ford do it as it's a lot of work to get right. They won't charge to much.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:53 PM

Hi

Sorry for the delay , could not for the life of me remember the password !
Yup I'm getting old !
If it is the o ring it is really easy , I spent a couple of days trying to sort it , once I knew what
was wrong I bought 2 o rings and 2 new clips .
On my back , in the footwell but it solved it in 20 odd mins .
Simple fix and cost about £12
Your pics look different to mine but give it go , you'll only get wet once .
Good luck
Chris

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:35 AM

Hi guys, thanks for the responses, if I do the work myself, do I need to remove the entire dash? Ford said the dash needs to come out and the doors also. You guys have any idea where I can get hold of a manual for my car?

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:08 AM

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 03:35 PM

Let me guess Ford charging you loads for the work. My Ford centre done it for me. Only cost £80. He didn't have to take dash or anything out. He just got a mat took him 30 mins with the ramp

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:30 PM

Yeah, they wanna charge me R9750, which includes apparently 10hrs labour to remove dash and the 1 front door! Oh and they wanna keep the car for almost 2 weeks to do the job

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