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#31 TDCiST

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

hmmm yeah, i agree... A lot of friends asked why i didnt get out and stop her etc... give her telling off...

And i was like, Firstly, ive not been in long, secondly its a busy A1 junction roundabout, and thirdly, i have no paperwork with me lol

Gotta think of your own safety first!!

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:11 AM

Signed but I think it the law should be changed to include eating, smoking, applying make-up while driving etc. Basically anything that could cause a similar distraction as using a mobile should all come under the one category. I know you can be done for driving without due care and attention for the other stuff but surely it would make it easier if it was all under the same legislation and it would make people more aware that eating behind the wheel etc could be classed as an offence

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:48 AM

Due care is a general catch-all legislation which is applied at an officers discretion, i.e, If the Officer believes that something the driver was doing at the time of the traffic infringement/collision was a contributing factor.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:36 PM

In my work car I'd go noisy, catch up with the miscreant and do them for reckless driving, contravention of a red light, failing to stop for a police officer, and anything else I could glean from PNC.
In my own car I'm sure my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue.
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Oh dear not to be a moaner but you are why the police get a bad name!

So if you are in a marked unit you pull them and give the necessary penalty. I agree that is exactly what they deserve for such behaviour. In your own car however by your own admission " my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue" Is that not road rage? tell me what are the guidelines when you are cut up or forced to take avoidance action whilst in control of a vehicle? I dont recal it saying anything about using "legendary language" or any kind of gesturing! What would you do if I started screaming and shouting and gesturing at you whilst you were driving your police car? And the using of mobile phones I agree it does distract you from driving and you shouldnt do it. But you compare this to being equivilant to driving whilst UNDER the drink drive limit which to the best of my knowledge is not actually an offence. So by your standards using the mobile phone whilst driving is the equivillant to not breaking the law.

Hey ho crack on rolling round your beat telling people to not do the things you obviously would never do.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

Oh dear not to be a moaner but you are why the police get a bad name!


Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
And that is all my posts are- My Opinion
Nothing I post here should be considered as official Police Policy unless I am replying directly to a question involving a serious law question.
All posts otherwise are my own views.

So if you are in a marked unit you pull them and give the necessary penalty. I agree that is exactly what they deserve for such behaviour. In your own car however by your own admission " my language would be legendary and much gesturing would ensue" Is that not road rage? tell me what are the guidelines when you are cut up or forced to take avoidance action whilst in control of a vehicle? I dont recal it saying anything about using "legendary language" or any kind of gesturing! What would you do if I started screaming and shouting and gesturing at you whilst you were driving your police car? And the using of mobile phones I agree it does distract you from driving and you shouldnt do it. But you compare this to being equivilant to driving whilst UNDER the drink drive limit which to the best of my knowledge is not actually an offence. So by your standards using the mobile phone whilst driving is the equivillant to not breaking the law.


Ok, your opinion of course.
I was incorrect on my point concerning comparisons between drink driving and handheld phone users, thanks for the chance for me to correct my statement.

I am far from infallible, after all i'm only human just like you.

Various sites that make the point concerning hand held phones versus drink driving more accurately than me.

http://www.directlin...news_230207.htm

http://www.directlin...ws_27022009.htm

http://www.politics....e-while-driving

http://www.nopenalty...ileDriving.html


When in my own car, driving for social, domestic or commuting i am in the same position as all other regular motorists, iI do not have some hidden blue lights and in essence I am just an average Joe just like you.
I do have removable dash mounted white lights though, so as to allow me to smooth my passage through traffic if the need arises but purely to allow me to attend my place of work in order to reply to a urgent request for specialist dog responses.
I am solely liable for any Traffic offences I commit while doing so, I can't use the lights to push through red lights, contravene traffic regulations or pull over other vehicles, the lights are purely for use when officially authorised to do so.

What i do in my own car when frustrated by someone driving in a dangerous or careless way is probably no diffrerent from the behaviour of many other drivers.
If you re-read that post, you may detect that the quoted statement was made in a light hearted and purely conversational manner.


Hey ho crack on rolling round your beat telling people to not do the things you obviously would never do.


Do i detect a smidgen of sarcasm? Surely not ;)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

BTW, no hard feelings Rich.
Remember, lively banter and fun not handbags at dawn. :P

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
And that is all my posts are- My Opinion
Nothing I post here should be considered as official Police Policy unless I am replying directly to a question involving a serious law question.
All posts otherwise are my own views.



Ok, your opinion of course.
I was incorrect on my point concerning comparisons between drink driving and handheld phone users, thanks for the chance for me to correct my statement.

I am far from infallible, after all i'm only human just like you.

Various sites that make the point concerning hand held phones versus drink driving more accurately than me.

http://www.directlin...news_230207.htm

http://www.directlin...ws_27022009.htm

http://www.politics....e-while-driving

http://www.nopenalty...ileDriving.html


When in my own car, driving for social, domestic or commuting i am in the same position as all other regular motorists, iI do not have some hidden blue lights and in essence I am just an average Joe just like you.
I do have removable dash mounted white lights though, so as to allow me to smooth my passage through traffic if the need arises but purely to allow me to attend my place of work in order to reply to a urgent request for specialist dog responses.
I am solely liable for any Traffic offences I commit while doing so, I can't use the lights to push through red lights, contravene traffic regulations or pull over other vehicles, the lights are purely for use when officially authorised to do so.

What i do in my own car when frustrated by someone driving in a dangerous or careless way is probably no diffrerent from the behaviour of many other drivers.
If you re-read that post, you may detect that the quoted statement was made in a light hearted and purely conversational manner.




Do i detect a smidgen of sarcasm? Surely not ;)

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Do you have a particular dislike of Police in general? If so may i humbly request that you do not tar us all with the same brush.
I come to this forum to give and receive advice, banter and good natured discussion, i would greatly appreciate the same considerations from others.


I do not direct any abuse to you what so ever my friend just annoys me when some police officers find certain behaviours acceptable when they are commiting them but unacceptable when they are being committed against them. which is how your post came accros I have a good friend who, before promotion, was a traffic cop in the met and he recieves the same opinions from me. I really am not having a personal go at you but sometimes the police in genral put the hat on and become quite two faced in their behaviour. I am by no means a saint and would never expect anyone to do something that I am not prepared to do myself. Practice what you preach is my message. In other words As a police officer would you shout and gesture at another road user that cut you up and not expect a complaint regading your unprofessional behaviour. I hope we can leave this here now and enjoy a mutual interest in Fords as what you generally write is very useful, helpful and informative and I enjoy your input. I am not a nasty person honest.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

No problem at all, Remember i put my trousers on one leg at a time the same as everyone else.
We're all entitled to become frustrated, i just feel it's better to express the frustration rather than bottle it up and take it out on someone undeserving.
I don't drive round with my windows down flicking the V's at everyone, i just do the Italian style talking- plenty of waved hands and the occasional mouthed curse. (don't we all?)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

No problem at all, Remember i put my trousers on one leg at a time the same as everyone else.
We're all entitled to become frustrated, i just feel it's better to express the frustration rather than bottle it up and take it out on someone undeserving.
I don't drive round with my windows down flicking the V's at everyone, i just do the Italian style talking- plenty of waved hands and the occasional mouthed curse. (don't we all?)

Indeed we do mate :-) Ive been waiting for a kidney op for 4 weeks now spent xmas and new year in bed and went ott. From miserable old bugger lol

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

Indeed we do mate :-) Ive been waiting for a kidney op for 4 weeks now spent xmas and new year in bed and went ott. From miserable old bugger lol


No worries.
I hope you get sorted out in good time.
I'm sure the waiting around is a right aggravation.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

I liked it so much that i've signed it & passed it on another forum.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

I liked it so much that i've signed it & passed it on another forum.
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good man!

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:13 PM

This traffic cops episode highlights why it is necessary to make the penalties stiffer for mobile phone/distraction while driving...





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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

Indeed, caught two already and I've only been on duty for just over an hour.
The weather here is crap, fog and rain, the exact conditions when you need to be paying full attention.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

Indeed, caught two already and I've only been on duty for just over an hour.
The weather here is crap, fog and rain, the exact conditions when you need to be paying full attention.


A colleague had a drunk driver on his phone yesterday! Must have been fun for him!

I also got my first arrest!! Yay me!

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