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#1 Pirategirl

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

Car goes in to garage on Monday for diagnostics due to symbol on dash coming up.  Does anyone know what the red cog with red exclamation mark means?  56' Reg Focus....

 

 



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:59 PM

Powertrain malfunction – if on, this light shows that the powertrain has been damaged and the car needs to be serviced as soon as possible.

 

 

Are you having any problems with the  car while driving? , You may have to get this checked and see what codes it is throwing up , did you buy private or from a garage



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

That warning is the powertrain fault indicator.
Quite often it means an injector fault or glowplug relay if it's a diesel.
If the light has come on them a fault code should be stored.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:10 PM

Hey guys, thanks for that.  I took it in briefly today and he asked me to bring it back Monday so that he could have it all day.  #

 

I bought it last May from a dealer (Stringfellows).  It is a diesel and he mentioned that it may be glow plugs.... Is this expensive? :wacko:

 

I have been taking it steady as I am losing power and doesn't really want to go much above 2000 revs, he has told me that I can drive it as long as it is local and I take it steady......



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:09 PM

Sounds like it's in gone into Limp Mode , which protects the engine from revving to high when theres a problem and causing damage.

 

I don't know the cost of replacing the glow plugs sorry



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:30 PM

Hmmmm sounds about right to me, thanks for your input.  Will just have to see what they say on Monday.  The guy who owns the garage seems to be pretty decent, so hoping not to be ripped off.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:46 PM

The plugs themselves aren't super expensive and neither is the relay but it's the labour time that often bumps it up.
I'd reckon you'll be looking at £100-£150 all in if they're not trying to sting you.
To put it into perspective, if you were to head to Ford for the same thing then you'd be looking at £90ish just for the diagnostic alone.
Good luck at the garage and keep us posted on the outcome.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

Thanks - They have a pretty good rep in the area and seem very customer orientated so fingers crossed!

 

I need to broach the situation with my lights though....  My front right headlight has never worked properly since I bought it from them - it keeps blowing, I went back about 4 times and they couldn't figure it out, it kept going dim.  I got sick of going back in the end and just left it, but know that it will be hightlighted when I go for my MOT at the end of next month as it is not working at all now. 

 

I shall mention that it has never really worked properly and hoping that he takes responsibility for it.



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:12 AM

glow plugs are quite easy to change. just got to be super careful when undoing them in my experience. i'd be looking at the haynes manual for that.

 

i'm not used to fords (only just bought one) but i dont recall check engine lights coming on in previous cars....normally you tend to have some starting issues if glowplug(s) die.

 

but get codes read first and take it from there :) 

 

ps, unless there's something perculiar to ford you should just be able to remove the electrical connection going to the plug and then unscrew it..... being very vareful. then replace, tighten up and reattach connector :)

 

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

Thanks Bear.  I am really hoping it is something simple, don't want lots of labour costs on top of the parts - will have to see what they say when they hook it up. 

 

I am assuming that they will ring me with a price when they have found out what it is :huh:



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:16 PM

Thanks Bear.  I am really hoping it is something simple, don't want lots of labour costs on top of the parts - will have to see what they say when they hook it up. 

 

I am assuming that they will ring me with a price when they have found out what it is :huh:

 

I've just re-read your posts Amanda (sorry only scan-read last night whilst drunk lol :)). The mechanic has only guessed what it is so there's no way of knowing if it's the glow plugs without having your codes read. Having said that he must see this a lot if he's a Ford dealer so it sounds like that would be the usual suspect.

 

How hands on are you? If it's glow plugs (or one in particular) you could do it yourself and use a Haynes book of lies manual as guidance.

 

If you don't fancy it yourself I'd make triple sure the dude knows that you want him to tell you what is wrong before going ahead with the work...wouldn't want a situation where he diagnoses AND fixes and then charges you a billion pounds! I'm just very suspicious of garages, dealers especially and don't mind taking an extra 10 minutes to spell out in crayon exactly what I want.

 

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

Hmmm I know what you mean!  Sadly I am not hands on at all :(  I love cars but don't really know anything about the mechanics which is why I joined the forum, to get helpful advice from good people. 

 

I am having it looked at on Monday that the garage that I bought it from last May.  He seems pretty decent, but you never know.

 

Fingers crossed ......



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:04 AM


 
i'm not used to fords (only just bought one) but i dont recall check engine lights coming on in previous cars....normally you tend to have some starting issues if glowplug(s) die.
 
 
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If the glowplugs get bad enough they WILL throw up an engine management light on these. As stated if they are that bad, you may well have noticed that it took longer to get going first thing in the morning, especially when the weather has been sub zero. Maybe even some smoke from the exhaust. Glowplugs these days are dual purpose, not only dealing with starting the car, but also burning off excess fuel to reduce emissions, and help lower the amount of road tax you pay. When mine went, it did the same, I had the reduced power (limp mode) but my light wasn't the cog, it was the red light to the right of the milage display, accompanied with the message 'engine systems fault'. Mine is a 1.8 tdci 2006 model. And glowplugs did fix my problem. Hope yours gets sorted.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:35 AM

If the glowplugs get bad enough they WILL throw up an engine management light on these. As stated if they are that bad, you may well have noticed that it took longer to get going first thing in the morning, especially when the weather has been sub zero. Maybe even some smoke from the exhaust. Glowplugs these days are dual purpose, not only dealing with starting the car, but also burning off excess fuel to reduce emissions, and help lower the amount of road tax you pay. When mine went, it did the same, I had the reduced power (limp mode) but my light wasn't the cog, it was the red light to the right of the milage display, accompanied with the message 'engine systems fault'. Mine is a 1.8 tdci 2006 model. And glowplugs did fix my problem. Hope yours gets sorted.

 

 

Got ya ;) Good explanation Mike. :)



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:26 PM

Spot on Mike!!  I have noticed excess fumes coming from the exhaust and thought that I possibly hadn't noticed it before, but makes sense now!

 

Taking it in first thing tomorrow.

 

 

Thanks guys! :P



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