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Pirategirl

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It is my understanding that the glowplugs will operate anytime the brain senses it needs too. Your theory is basically saying that the car will only have reduced emissions for 5 mins max. Don't forget, on the 1.8 tdci they do not have the benefit (thankfully) of a DPF, to futher help with emissions. Hence the reason other things had to be done to qualify it for its euro 4 classification. I stand to be corrected on this, but from my research, this is how it works.

Once the engine is warm the glow plugs would be doing nothing if they were to come on.

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So your absolutely 100% sure about this, as in your that confident in the evidence it would be a water tight case if it were criminal ? Lol........... As I'm not convinced, if it were an old car I would say ok I'm wrong. But I'm sure that even a modern car can run lean or rich and then be corrected by the ECM or PCM whichever the case may be, this is when the glowplugs could be engaged (at a lower voltage) to aid the cleanliness of the emissions. I don't claim to know everything, but no one has explained in detail why what I'm stating is wrong. Or in fact, why they are right lol. So it seems everyone is unsure...

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So your absolutely 100% sure about this, as in your that confident in the evidence it would be a water tight case if it were criminal ? Lol........... As I'm not convinced, if it were an old car I would say ok I'm wrong. But I'm sure that even a modern car can run lean or rich and then be corrected by the ECM or PCM whichever the case may be, this is when the glowplugs could be engaged (at a lower voltage) to aid the cleanliness of the emissions. I don't claim to know everything, but no one has explained in detail why what I'm stating is wrong. Or in fact, why they are right lol. So it seems everyone is unsure...

Pretty sure yes lol.

The glow plugs as you know aid ignition, they heat the air/fuel mixture to help it combust when the engine is cold. Once the engine is warm, the heat from the engine itself and that from the compression will easily ignite the fuel mixture. So therefor activating the plugs again is not benefiting anything - it's would probably use more energy by loading the electrical system.

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technology is advancing rapidly without a doubt, i know a system that incorporates a sensor within the glow plug which acts like a closed loop oxygen sensor, so feeds info to the pcm and fuel can be adjusted to suit, but wether that system is being used right now im unsure about...but either way, heating the glow plug itself once the chamber is already hot will achieve nothing....bear in mind, glow plugs are predominately for heating the air in the chamber, not the fuel.

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Well, I am much better informed and impressed by the amount of knowledge bounding around the forum however, I am nowhere near qualified enough to jump into the debate so shall sit and read from the side lines! ;-)

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Well, I am much better informed and impressed by the amount of knowledge bounding around the forum however, I am nowhere near qualified enough to jump into the debate so shall sit and read from the side lines! ;-)

Members on here have different levels of or specalised knowlege but all with an interest in Ford cars I would not worry about not being "qualified" or an expert and you can still have an opinion, after all, you are the Original Poster

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Yeah,,,,, jump in, call me a name and I'll call you one back haha.

Its all about trying to help other people out with what you know today, coz maybe tomorrow you'll be the one needing the help. And if you don't know,,,, then ask anyway, there will always be someone willing to give helpful advice. Its a community of love and wellbeing lol.

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Lol, thanks guys. I think the forum is great and really pleased with all the help I have received :-D

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We do our best.

A few here are mechanics/techs but most of us are just good ole car nuts.

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We do our best.

A few here are mechanics/techs but most of us are just good ole car nuts.

Or a mixture of them all lol :blink:

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Currently sat in Ford, not Glow Plug Module...... Possible reboot, giving that a go as the message keeps coming back once cleared.

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So have they changed the Module , and your still getting the fault or is it jsut the light coming on?

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Currently sat in Ford, not Glow Plug Module...... Possible reboot, giving that a go as the message keeps coming back once cleared.

If they do a diagnostic ask them for the fault codes

They can be very expensive and usually don't mind spending your money

Personally, i would aquire my own fault code reader,(you can pick one up for as little as £25 all you need to do is plug it in, read the codes and post them up here) and try to fix it myself, or get a cheaper indipendant garage / mechanic to do it (one you can trust ) especially with an older car

keep this a secret and don't tell anyone - i used to work in a Ford main dealers. Trust me - the reality is very different from the image they try to project!

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They change the module and the fault kept coming up. They worked on it 4 hours today and didn't charge me, so that was really nice of them. They told me to take it to a Ford Garage down the road, said that they had spoken to someone there and that he had explained the problem as best as he could.

Drove down to Ford, hooked it up (diagnostic quoted as £36.00 +VAT), came back half an hour later, said that he had rebooted 3 times and the fault message kept coming up and would not clear. Said that it could be 1 of three things and probably due to 'stop/start' short journeys....so have probably caused this myself :(

Said that it is a process of elimination, starting with replacing the Glow wire that sit's between the two plugs, if not that something else.... can't remember what he said (something to do with a filter I think), but ultimately could result in something costing me £1,200!!!! (something to do with DPS?).

If it comes to that then I shall be off the road for about 3/4 months whilst I save up for it :unsure: I can only just about make the £225 a month payments for it.

Really don't know what to do know, said that I would ring tomorrow to arrange a date to take it in for the new wire.

I shall see if I can ask about the fault codes and post them up - won't be till towards end of next week though as they can't fit me in till then. Suppose I could try another Ford Garage in the meantime.......

HELP!!

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not exactly oozing confidence are they

to be fair, tdci engines are notoriously difficult to diagnose, but that doesnt mean you should throw money at it in hope.

as far as im aware, there are only a few codes that specify the module, they all relate to wiring/glow plug/module fault.

they swapped the module...no change.

its at this point i get a bit ranty... :)

checking a module is a simple case of voltage checks at different circumstances...eg, ign on, glow plugs on, expect this many volts at this terminal...etc, etc

now, dont know if this was done, or wether they just chucked a module on to see what happens...this is a big risk if it was the latter....lets say the module was blown, if it blew because of a wiring issue, then if you dont do the standered voltage checks before fitting the new one, then you could quite easily blow the new one the instant you wire it together...

plus dont really understand just replacing the glow wiring, when simple voltage checks will show any fault there..

only thing i can think they mean re DPS ??? is diesel particulate filter system, first question....does it have one? if so, could give kind of symptoms you are suffering, has anyone tried regenerating the filter???

strong advice....bin ford, find a diesel specialist, ask them to do a full diagnostic and tell them you are not willing to pay for any parts fitted if they do not cure the fault, you want a full report before any work is carried out.

this sounds a classis case of garages that cannot see beyond fault codes.

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the 1st thing is not to worry unduly -

If it costs £1200 in a main Ford stealers you might get it done for half as much elswhere and may even get a better job done

there are not 2 (glow) plugs, there are 4 (one per cylinder)

if the module has been replaced and there is still a fault - it means the module may have not been the problem at all and they were wrong

I did not think the 1.8 had a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) whats a DPS?

If i was you, if it turns out to be the DPF, i would get the DPF removed (phisically), get the DPF electronically deleted and the car remapped, the car would then be (much) faster, a bit more economical, there would be no DPF to clog up and mess things up/ ruin you MPG/ go into a regen cycle/ the (non existent) DPF would never need cleaning out or replacing again, ever

Ive not checked the prices but you can get the dpf delete remap all from the same place from anout £500+

I would blank the EGR while you are at it

Just read ws post - agreed - yes, bin Ford (too expensive anyway) remember, 2006 is 7 years ago - your car is seven years old - "old" to them ouch- your paying a lot of money for the car

They might have you buying all the parts of your engine one at a time at (your) great expense untill they find out what is really wrong (eventually) ive seen/ heard of this before

have the glow plugs actually been tested/ changed?

Ordered that code reader yet?

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Thanks for the help - I am quite happy to ditch Ford if you think they are chucking my money around in the hope that they hit the problem!

I could buy a code reader, but am not hands on and don't know anyone who would know what to do with it - I am so confused now and think that I need to have a serious think about what to do.

I would consider having the DPF removed and having it re mapped it you think that would be the best thing to do. I could get prices for it, would still have to be car less for a while thought whilst I saved, but at least the weather is slowly getting better.

Would I look for a diesel specialist to do this for me? Can anyone suggest a trustworthy one in Derbyshire?

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are you sure it has a dpf, not impossible, but dont think they were fitted on many

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Definitely no dpf on a 06 1.8 focus.

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Hmmmmm don't know then, he was talking about someting that was probably clogged up and needed clearing out.......

Think I will phone him tomorrow and ask him to re iterate what he told me today and I shall take notes this time and post it on here. I am 99% sure that he said it may need replacing and that I was looking at big money.

Sorry to be so vague guys, but he didn't really seem sure.

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if thats true, then cannot think what he was referring to with the DPS????

probably find there will be a bosch diesel diagnostic centre somewhere in derbyshire, if you get no reccomendations, they would be worth a punt

"Sorry to be so vague guys, but he didn't really seem sure"

thats their fault, not yours....and exactly why i wouldnt bother taking it back

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Will ring him tomorrow and she what he said about his findings, will also ask him for codes and see if he will give them to me.

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Yeah there is definitely no DPF on your car, the only thing that might possibly be clogged is the CAT, but that wouldn't be due to short journey's and wouldn't cost as much as they are saying.

Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap code reader in your case,,, they won't read everything as I found out when I had the similar problem, my 80 quid reader wouldn't pick up the code, needed going on a computer with some ford software on it. Be sure to post back your findings tomorrow, I'm curious as to what they will say.

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Will find out what I can Mike and let you know.

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Yeah .

Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap code reader in your case,,, they won't read everything as I found out when I had the similar problem, my 80 quid reader wouldn't pick up the code, needed going on a computer with some ford software on it..

You probably bought the wrong one, you can't just buy a "universal" one and hope for the best - there are 4 different widely avaiable OBDII protocols - (Ford uses one of these protocols) and many don't seem to understand this eg - technicians, mechanics, and some people on this forum

You can buy an F-super code reader for around £25, it requires a laptop, but it can do all sorts - 99.9% of what an expensive garage one can do, it can even recode many injectors, and will work with almost any Ford

If you can use an i-phone or a computer this should not be a problem - you pay your £25, its delivered, you set it up, plug it in and read the codes - simples!

Personally i use a Superchips Bluefin handset - saves me messing about with a laptop and its compact and lightweight (its in the glove compartment now) the Bluefin even picks up/ reads the pre obd11 (pre diesel 2004) codes ,

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