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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:08 PM
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:33 PM
So have they changed the Module , and your still getting the fault or is it jsut the light coming on?
Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:44 PM
Currently sat in Ford, not Glow Plug Module...... Possible reboot, giving that a go as the message keeps coming back once cleared.
If they do a diagnostic ask them for the fault codes
They can be very expensive and usually don't mind spending your money
Personally, i would aquire my own fault code reader,(you can pick one up for as little as £25 all you need to do is plug it in, read the codes and post them up here) and try to fix it myself, or get a cheaper indipendant garage / mechanic to do it (one you can trust ) especially with an older car
keep this a secret and don't tell anyone - i used to work in a Ford main dealers. Trust me - the reality is very different from the image they try to project!
Posted 15 March 2013 - 07:17 PM
They change the module and the fault kept coming up. They worked on it 4 hours today and didn't charge me, so that was really nice of them. They told me to take it to a Ford Garage down the road, said that they had spoken to someone there and that he had explained the problem as best as he could.
Drove down to Ford, hooked it up (diagnostic quoted as £36.00 +VAT), came back half an hour later, said that he had rebooted 3 times and the fault message kept coming up and would not clear. Said that it could be 1 of three things and probably due to 'stop/start' short journeys....so have probably caused this myself
Said that it is a process of elimination, starting with replacing the Glow wire that sit's between the two plugs, if not that something else.... can't remember what he said (something to do with a filter I think), but ultimately could result in something costing me £1,200!!!! (something to do with DPS?).
If it comes to that then I shall be off the road for about 3/4 months whilst I save up for it I can only just about make the £225 a month payments for it.
Really don't know what to do know, said that I would ring tomorrow to arrange a date to take it in for the new wire.
I shall see if I can ask about the fault codes and post them up - won't be till towards end of next week though as they can't fit me in till then. Suppose I could try another Ford Garage in the meantime.......
Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:35 PM
to be fair, tdci engines are notoriously difficult to diagnose, but that doesnt mean you should throw money at it in hope.
as far as im aware, there are only a few codes that specify the module, they all relate to wiring/glow plug/module fault.
they swapped the module...no change.
its at this point i get a bit ranty...
checking a module is a simple case of voltage checks at different circumstances...eg, ign on, glow plugs on, expect this many volts at this terminal...etc, etc
now, dont know if this was done, or wether they just chucked a module on to see what happens...this is a big risk if it was the latter....lets say the module was blown, if it blew because of a wiring issue, then if you dont do the standered voltage checks before fitting the new one, then you could quite easily blow the new one the instant you wire it together...
plus dont really understand just replacing the glow wiring, when simple voltage checks will show any fault there..
only thing i can think they mean re DPS ??? is diesel particulate filter system, first question....does it have one? if so, could give kind of symptoms you are suffering, has anyone tried regenerating the filter???
strong advice....bin ford, find a diesel specialist, ask them to do a full diagnostic and tell them you are not willing to pay for any parts fitted if they do not cure the fault, you want a full report before any work is carried out.
this sounds a classis case of garages that cannot see beyond fault codes.
Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:00 PM
the 1st thing is not to worry unduly -
If it costs £1200 in a main Ford stealers you might get it done for half as much elswhere and may even get a better job done
there are not 2 (glow) plugs, there are 4 (one per cylinder)
if the module has been replaced and there is still a fault - it means the module may have not been the problem at all and they were wrong
I did not think the 1.8 had a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) whats a DPS?
If i was you, if it turns out to be the DPF, i would get the DPF removed (phisically), get the DPF electronically deleted and the car remapped, the car would then be (much) faster, a bit more economical, there would be no DPF to clog up and mess things up/ ruin you MPG/ go into a regen cycle/ the (non existent) DPF would never need cleaning out or replacing again, ever
Ive not checked the prices but you can get the dpf delete remap all from the same place from anout £500+
I would blank the EGR while you are at it
Just read ws post - agreed - yes, bin Ford (too expensive anyway) remember, 2006 is 7 years ago - your car is seven years old - "old" to them ouch- your paying a lot of money for the car
They might have you buying all the parts of your engine one at a time at (your) great expense untill they find out what is really wrong (eventually) ive seen/ heard of this before
have the glow plugs actually been tested/ changed?
Ordered that code reader yet?
Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:29 PM
Thanks for the help - I am quite happy to ditch Ford if you think they are chucking my money around in the hope that they hit the problem!
I could buy a code reader, but am not hands on and don't know anyone who would know what to do with it - I am so confused now and think that I need to have a serious think about what to do.
I would consider having the DPF removed and having it re mapped it you think that would be the best thing to do. I could get prices for it, would still have to be car less for a while thought whilst I saved, but at least the weather is slowly getting better.
Would I look for a diesel specialist to do this for me? Can anyone suggest a trustworthy one in Derbyshire?
Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:37 PM
Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:52 PM
Hmmmmm don't know then, he was talking about someting that was probably clogged up and needed clearing out.......
Think I will phone him tomorrow and ask him to re iterate what he told me today and I shall take notes this time and post it on here. I am 99% sure that he said it may need replacing and that I was looking at big money.
Sorry to be so vague guys, but he didn't really seem sure.
Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:03 PM
probably find there will be a bosch diesel diagnostic centre somewhere in derbyshire, if you get no reccomendations, they would be worth a punt
"Sorry to be so vague guys, but he didn't really seem sure"
thats their fault, not yours....and exactly why i wouldnt bother taking it back
Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:21 PM
Will ring him tomorrow and she what he said about his findings, will also ask him for codes and see if he will give them to me.
Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:42 PM
Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap code reader in your case,,, they won't read everything as I found out when I had the similar problem, my 80 quid reader wouldn't pick up the code, needed going on a computer with some ford software on it. Be sure to post back your findings tomorrow, I'm curious as to what they will say.
Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:28 AM
Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap code reader in your case,,, they won't read everything as I found out when I had the similar problem, my 80 quid reader wouldn't pick up the code, needed going on a computer with some ford software on it..
You probably bought the wrong one, you can't just buy a "universal" one and hope for the best - there are 4 different widely avaiable OBDII protocols - (Ford uses one of these protocols) and many don't seem to understand this eg - technicians, mechanics, and some people on this forum
You can buy an F-super code reader for around £25, it requires a laptop, but it can do all sorts - 99.9% of what an expensive garage one can do, it can even recode many injectors, and will work with almost any Ford
If you can use an i-phone or a computer this should not be a problem - you pay your £25, its delivered, you set it up, plug it in and read the codes - simples!
Personally i use a Superchips Bluefin handset - saves me messing about with a laptop and its compact and lightweight (its in the glove compartment now) the Bluefin even picks up/ reads the pre obd11 (pre diesel 2004) codes ,
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