RShadow Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Take a picture of your set up fella both the starter and the connectors there should be 4 wires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I will do that for you. Btw thanks everyone for the help. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 GY-BK goes from ignition switch to Start lock relay and after relay coil to PCM (as a BK-RD) Sent from my IdeaTab S6000-H using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 And it's part of Front junction box as a PATS (engine immobilizer) Sent from my IdeaTab S6000-H using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The pats is fine. The red light turns off. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The wiring I have in the car currently is the dash is a rs 2009 loom so has all the optional extras etc. The body floor loom is the normal loom however looking at it and comparing it to others it has all the extras as I installed heated seats. But it's a pre face lift connecting to a facelift via c111 connector. Everything works except the front airbag sensor and car not starting. Might try using a multimeter at set point until I lose the crank volts. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Ok, so you have check, is the relay functional. And is the GY wire ok. Grey wire goes straight to starter motor solenoid. Not for sure is it grey in starter. Sent from my IdeaTab S6000-H using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Have you try reset PCM? Sent from my IdeaTab S6000-H using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That wire goes to the relay I was told by Ford technical. There is no signal at the pin for the relay to engage. The signal is lost somewhere. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShadow Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So you have ignition it just doesn't crank? You haven't added any other rs parts have you? Just the loom? Rs was also push button start so if you haven't added the wires into the loom it could be missing the wire direct to the start relay to your connecter should be red from memory I'll look at mine tomorrow and upload some pics just to be clear as I had this problem too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yh ignition but no crank. I'm thinking that connector c111 isn't connecting properly but that might just be me trying to blame something. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Little update, today i make some progress. taped cable mess, and check what goes where. pic related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixmasterlooney Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 So you have ignition it just doesn't crank? You haven't added any other rs parts have you? Just the loom? Rs was also push button start so if you haven't added the wires into the loom it could be missing the wire direct to the start relay to your connecter should be red from memory I'll look at mine tomorrow and upload some pics just to be clear as I had this problem too I think this is exactly what it is, the rs loom has replaced what start the engine from key to push start except there is no push start Sent from my GT-N7105 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 But there is a starter wire which when in crank send 12 volts down. So it's has to be something else. But I have brought a start button. What in going to do is put key in to the last position before crank and press button. If it works then all good if not I have to just make the new temp starter wire my new wire. Il be checking the wiring diagram to see if there is something else. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I would have taken pics for you all to see but with the accident and a up I need to fix and sell I'm to busy for my pride and joy. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShadow Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The start button will not work mate that part comes from the keyless entry module so you'd need that and main body loom....and you'd have to modify your engine loom to make that extra push start connection.... And also program it all with elm config I'd put the original loom back if your looking for a sell and just stick taking the wires in the rs loom that you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Project in this part has to ended, everything working, as far i've test on garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Front sensor has faulty wires for some reason, so haven't calibrate yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you have basically done it. Mine is on stand still carnt find front sensor and I have a Vw up to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megado Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you have basically done it. Mine is on stand still carnt find front sensor and I have a Vw up to fix. Yes, have to check why fault code on front sensor, and order new D1S bulbs before yearly inspection by goverment (MOT maybe right word :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I found some module. It says KV Antenna. It's under the armrest area. I don't have keyless go or start. Brought the centre console from eBay. I'm going to wrap it suede which should look nice. I'm also going to replace the body module at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I've got an st loom for both dash and body. So I will swap it all over and hopefully it should start and all be working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy45 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I did a Honda S2000 start button mod on my last ST170, basically the button took the place of position 3 on the ignition switch which on the ST170 put power directly onto the starter motor. So mine used the low current start button to bring in a 30A relay for doing the starter motor bit, and I used a second relay as interlock off the engine running signal to DEATC unit so that if you pressed button with engine already running it wouldn't operate the starter. Worked pretty much same as the mk1 Focus RS apart from the button being mounted in place of the power socket in the dash fascia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazsky786 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I have a Ford start button. Do you know how to mod it to work on a non keyless start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShadow Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I've told you that one already mate and if you've bought a keyless entry loom you will need a keyless engine loom too otherwise the signals will not go from start button to the body control module (ecu I'm the boot) to the pcm. The pats will also not function as it's a completely different system. The keyless entry uses the body control module whereas the normal standard ignition you had uses the instrument cluster. Look at the wiring schematics given to us all by Pree and you'll get the idea. You'll need to change a couple of options with elm config and also add some additional keyless remotes so they can read by the pats... Even though it seems these cars are built like lego you need to be aware that's it's not always a simple case of changing some wires and it will magically work . Change one and you need to change all - then program it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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