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#1 Ecky

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:44 PM

Got a car that won't start because of what's according to the
auto-electrics guy I had out a faulty pats transceiver, his diagnostics
gizmo reported something like 'No response from PATS transceiver' ...
can't get much plainer than that



The car is a 1998 Escort Estate 1.8 16v Gti



I understand it's not quite as simple as just getting a replacement
transceiver but I might need to get it 'coded' into my car/keys?



There's a same part number transceiver with key on my ebay watch list
(no-one else bidding on it -fingers crossed!), I'm wondering if there's
any way I can avoid taking it to ford's and getting it 're-coded' as
I've seen some info on the web saying I'd need to do



Anyone know if there's a way around it like maybe swapping the chips in the keys over? (Or any other bright ideas)



Also, shouldn't any auto-locksmith be able to do any key coding that's required?



Could I even do it myself?



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:26 PM

You will have to either have the car re-programmed or have the correctly coded key for the transceiver you plan to install

 

Basically there are 3 options,

 

1 take the car to a main dealer, and watch your wallet have a coronary,

 

2 phone round the local locksmiths, (Mobile ones would probably be your best bet), and ask if they can re-programme the car, (Not all can), and how much, and finally

 

3 hope and pray your lucky enough to get the pats chip out of the key from the replacement transceiver without breaking it, and put it into the key that fits your ignition



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:15 AM

Thanks  for the reply

 

What you've said pretty much fits in with my thinking on the subject

 

Yeah I'll have the key to go with the transceiver and if I could manage to swap the chip into an existing key it should work, but then I'd only have one key which is never good and getting another key made wouldn't be cheap either

 

I've read that people installing after market starter kits etc do things like tape the existing key (or the chip out of it) to the steering column as the chip only has to be within a certain distance to the transceiver, a cheap and (maybe) cheerful 'fix' maybe?  Definitely not ideal and I doubt I'd be comfortable relying on that not failing when I'm miles from home!

 

Do you know whether the existing keys can be coded in or will they have to be new ones?

 

Thought of something that might be a way around it, what if I could get hold of a the ecu, transceiver, keys & ignition barrel off another same model car, shouldn't all that then just 'plug in and work' ?

 

I was also thinking a good auto-locksmith should be able to do the keys as coding keys is such a big part of what they do, should be cheaper than a main dealer



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 11:37 AM

I think I might've struck gold

 

Found someone selling a 'set' off a same year gti containing both door locks, boot lock, petrol cap, ignition barrel, one new style remote central locking key, transponder ring, and ecu

 

Forty five quid ... gotta be a bargain!

 

I believe I should just be able to swap everything over and bob's yer uncle, will need to get a spare made but that's a minor issue



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:02 PM

The best advice I can give you is to just change the ignition barrel for now, fit the replacement transceiver and see if it starts, if so then change the other locks.

 

As for spare keys, you need two keys that start the car to programme any other keys, so if there's only one, you'll still need to have the car re-programmed to get more keys to work.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:48 PM

The best advice I can give you is to just change the ignition barrel for now, fit the replacement transceiver and see if it starts, if so then change the other locks.

 

As for spare keys, you need two keys that start the car to programme any other keys, so if there's only one, you'll still need to have the car re-programmed to get more keys to work.

 

Re the extra keys, that's something I didn't know



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

I've read that people installing after market starter kits etc do things like tape the existing key (or the chip out of it) to the steering column as the chip only has to be within a certain distance to the transceiver, a cheap and (maybe) cheerful 'fix' maybe?  Definitely not ideal and I doubt I'd be comfortable relying on that not failing when I'm miles from home!

 

As for doing this, there are two main reasons not to, one is it could invalidate your insurance, and the other, is that it's there to stop naughty boys and girls from taking something that not thiers



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:58 PM

You should be able to change the PATS receiver and the matched tranceiver chip ober to your original key which would avoid the extra work of changing all the locks.
Is your key blade not able to be removed from your original key and swapped to the new fob or is it a one piece moulded key with a non-removable blade?

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:24 AM

Hubby I've no intention of doing anything as daft as relying on a key key taped to the steering column mate, the whole idea sounds a bit chav tbh

 

Stoney the keys are moulded plastic but there is a seam which suggests it's two moulded halves stuck together, changing the blades is a good idea but I've a mate who's off work at the moment and keeps telling me how bored he is lol

 

He's a bodywork guy really but he's pretty good with most things car related, general mechanics & maintenance etc, bit clueless on stuff like pats issues so he's not been any help there but he's quite looking forward to spending an hour or two fiddling about with changing locks etc and getting a free lunch!

 

He's also without a car at the moment and I told him he can borrow my other estate (escort tddi) when this one's back on the road so he's counting the days until the kit I ordered arrives, a mate like that's well handy when you got a car needing a spot to get through an mot ... especially when he paints it up to a professional standard once he's done!



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 05:11 PM

he's quite looking forward to spending an hour or two fiddling about with changing locks etc and getting a free lunch!

 

And a couple of pints



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