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#46 welshy_maverick

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:34 PM

I got the second remap from them & put it on.  No more problems with lag or delay.

 

I went to get a rolling road done on the car before & after remap.

 

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Glad you got it sorted, so if you were me, what do you do. I get the st soon, then buy the bluefin from this, will I get the fixed map or will i get the original one and have to get in touch with them? wanna get the fixed map from the start and be done with it once and for all. Maybe I should send them an email before I order it?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Glad you got it sorted, so if you were me, what do you do. I get the st soon, then buy the bluefin from this, will I get the fixed map or will i get the original one and have to get in touch with them? wanna get the fixed map from the start and be done with it once and for all. Maybe I should send them an email before I order it?

Or wait for the Mountune version?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

Or wait for the Mountune version?

If you were me would you go bluefin or wait for moutune? :)



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

Superchips is the company, Bluefin is (one of) their product(s) 

  

In reality, most remaps (and the Bluefin) produce similar results , because the cars/ engines hardware (injectors, turbo etc) become the limiting factor - Superchips/Bluefin's "standard" maps tend to be "conservative" so as not to put too much stress on the engine components/ procuce to much emmisions/ smoke etc   

 

No two rolling roads/ dynos read the same, some have got completely different methods of measuring and things like temprature and other factors come into play  

On top of that, only the power at the wheels is actually measured, the fly/crank power is "calculated" (guessed) so that is why different dynos different results

 

Independant tests/ dynos with no vested interest in producing big numbers seem to produce lower results (surprise, surprise)

 

More on rolling roads/ dynos -

 

http://www.fordowner...-printout-here/



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:56 PM

just had the following from the company who did the dyno runs

 

shoot out mode is a function in dyno dynamic software for doing dyno runs eg shoot out 4 is for 4 cylinder n/a engines and 4f (which yours was run in) is for 4 cylinder turbo'd/superchargers. Unfortunately this will make no difference to your peak power issue as we seen in stock form the car produced near perfect results , then once mapped file was on mid range were decent enough gains as was the torque gain but this is due to the increase in boost pressure then its pulled away after around 4.5k revs and the power increase is minimal , we see it all so often on the road they feel quick with the boost being increased low down but once on the dyno they show other wise , very high chance on another brand of dyno you would see higher results but not realistic ones i am afraid. If you search about dyno dynamic rollers you will see they are sore but realistic on car figures etc am sure you would rather know the truth , one thing i would say tho is sometimes you are better running mapped files for a little while for them to adjust fully but i very much doubt we would have ever seen it make 220bhp



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

Yer I would deffo wait for the mountune one to come out! It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't lie at superchips regarding the bluefin. When I kept ringing up all I got was it had been tested and nothing wrong with the remap what's so ever, then you look on here and other forums and 98% of people with the fiesta st are experiencing the same. Then you get another remap and it sorts the lag but deffo a reduction in power, so yet another call to superchips today and get told there has been no reduction in power on the 2nd remap, hmmmm I smell bullsh&t. I did rate them as a company and have used them a fair bit on my cars,but don't think I will be anymore

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

Yer I would deffo wait for the mountune one to come out! It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't lie at superchips regarding the bluefin. When I kept ringing up all I got was it had been tested and nothing wrong with the remap what's so ever, then you look on here and other forums and 98% of people with the fiesta st are experiencing the same. Then you get another remap and it sorts the lag but deffo a reduction in power, so yet another call to superchips today and get told there has been no reduction in power on the 2nd remap, hmmmm I smell bullsh&t. I did rate them as a company and have used them a fair bit on my cars,but don't think I will be anymore

Hey thanks for taking the time to write this, while I really do feel your pain and would be  :angry:  if I was you I appreciate you taking the time to save me/others a lot of time/money!! Its annoying when people like you or I take time and money over our motor and don't get the results! I might just leave my st on the stock map when it arrives...its hardly slow after all, and focus on the exterior visual mods I have planned. Though I am looking to get a new sportier/noisier exhaust? any ideas that require the least amount of modification so that the car can be put back to stock if I ever chose to sell it? you done yours?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:12 PM

just had the following from the company who did the dyno runs

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shoot out mode is a function in dyno dynamic software for doing dyno runs eg shoot out 4 is for 4 cylinder n/a engines and 4f (which yours was run in) is for 4 cylinder turbo'd/superchargers. Unfortunately this will make no difference to your peak power issue as we seen in stock form the car produced near perfect results , then once mapped file was on mid range were decent enough gains as was the torque gain but this is due to the increase in boost pressure then its pulled away after around 4.5k revs and the power increase is minimal , we see it all so often on the road they feel quick with the boost being increased low down but once on the dyno they show other wise , very high chance on another brand of dyno you would see higher results but not realistic ones i am afraid. If you search about dyno dynamic rollers you will see they are sore but realistic on car figures etc am sure you would rather know the truth , one thing i would say tho is sometimes you are better running mapped files for a little while for them to adjust fully but i very much doubt we would have ever seen it make 220bhp

Even if the independant dyno run was taken as "gospel" the Superchips/ Bluefin map has a significant power and torque gain (especially at the bottom end / midrange) although the power "levels off" above 5k, and "drops off"(slightly) above 5700 the car is liable to be noticably quicker on the road than one with the stock map

 

The lack of top end power may be because of heat soak issues and the turbo running out of "puff" (boost/  gas flow) at the top end

 

the graph/ printout lacks a lot of information like the air intake temprature and the wheel horsepower

 

If i had the choice - i would have the Superchips Blufin remap over the stock map, everytime, the Mountune is probably better still, (especially if it has phisical upgrades too) but no doubt will be more expensive 

 

I use a (Superchips) Bluefin myself, they were very patient and helpful to me in producing not one but 2 revised maps, free-of-extra-charge for what is basically a one-off modified car - and i am very happy with the results - apart from that i am not connected to Superchips in any other way,

 

I don't think it is fair to say that Superchips have actually lied (as others have suggested on this thread ) - experts only have opinions - its never black-and-white right-or-wrong with these things

 

I think it is only fair that you contact Superchips and allow them to sort out any issues (actual or percieved) before trashing (or allow other members to) their reputation on the site

 

It all seems a bit anti - Superchips/ Bluefin and perhaps some have a hidden agenda or bias (just seems a bit "fishy" to me) 

 

Superchips/ Blufin seems to be on trial in absentia and without being able to answer their accusers directly 

  

 

   
 



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:22 PM

I have personally found Superchips a delight to deal with.
They are one of the longest running tuning companies about.
Just my two'penneth anyway.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:45 PM

I have always in the past found superchips a great company, always taken my various cars to be remapped by a authorised garage, this time around I have used bluefin and done it myself, ok so my choice of wording may not of been politically correct, "lied" may of been somewhat harsh , but after numerous phone calls and being told that it must be my car that's got a fault and not there program, then a guy calling them today saying what the problem is and "superchips" saying its the first they have heard of this issue ! Is bending the truth

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:50 AM

If they did a Bluefin for the 1.6 diesel Fez I'd have one without second thought.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:47 PM

Just to update this Superchips have updated the file for the bluefin & feedback is good from a Finsport Customer over on FiestaST OC



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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:27 AM

Just to update this Superchips have updated the file for the bluefin & feedback is good from a Finsport Customer over on FiestaST OC


Thanks for the update, may have to consider it after all if they have sorted the throttle lag issues!!

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

Thanks for the update, may have to consider it after all if they have sorted the throttle lag issues!!

Unfortunately, it would appear they haven't :(

 

funkylad PMed me

 

ok so after a proper run out tonight, was only driving at normal conditions last night as there was loads of police about.. What a load of fu*king sh*t... not as much power as the first map, still getting lag but not as bad as it was on the previous 2 maps

 

 

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im running the 3rd remap of the bluefin file, have been since monday. And im still getting lag.. Not as bad as the other files but still getting it.. And the power isnt as good as the first file 

 

 

I was on the verge of buying another bluefin myself if this had been sorted.  However, I am no longer considering it.



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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:21 AM

Unfortunately, it would appear they haven't :(
 
funkylad PMed me
 

 
 
Also from FiestaSTOC

 
 
I was on the verge of buying another bluefin myself if this had been sorted.  However, I am no longer considering it.


Arrgh!! Thats annoying!! Thanks for sharing!! Thats whats good about members sharing their experiences on these forums. Feel free to pass on my appreciation for his updates on the situation!!

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