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#1 fordmondeogirl

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

Hi,

 

My partner and I have just bought a 2004 Mondeo 2l TDCI hatchback and there is a fault.

 

2 problems 

 

Lesser problem being that when the car is sitting idling every now and again the engine will judder as if it going to cut out.

 

The more serious problem is that when the car is in 5th or 6th gear over 60mph and you give it some throttle the coil light will flash and you lose your revs & throttle altogether.  As the car slows you also lose your power steering and have to bring your car to a halt on the hard shoulder to reset your ignition.

 

We have an idea what the fault might be but I'd like a second opinion - can anyone help?

 

Many thanks.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:12 PM

Sounds like you need to replace coil pack and HT leads for the latter issue, the former issue is probably an idle control valve issue, or MAF sensor. Both can be removed and cleaned and would be a good place to start

 

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:39 PM

coil pack and leads may be hard to find on a TDCI :)  i would get any fault codes read as it could be anything playing up from a cam/crank sensor, injector, to the fuel filter, any codes stored will point you in the right direction,a common cause of cutting out is the cam sensor, check to see if its a black one as ford had problems with them and did a replacement which was coloured grey.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:57 PM

lol... thanks mintalkin, my error!



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:45 AM

Thanks for your replies!

 

The trader we bought it from is putting brand new injectors on it for us on Monday - then on Tuesday we are having it serviced by our long term and well trusted mechanic.  I will keep you up to date with our progress.  Lovely car in all other aspects - really enjoying driving it.

 

Does anyone know also if there is an AUX input?  My stereo says AUX but I can't find a jack socket to plug my mp3 player in and CDs are way too much hassle.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

If you look in the glovebox you may find the connector for the aux input  (i know - cds are so much hassle! :lol: )

 

The 2nd symptoms you are having is the car going into "limp home mode" this is where the ECU detects a problem and puts the car into a restricted mode so you can "limp home" - it tells you this is happening by flashing the glow plug light ("coil" shaped orange light)- this does not mean it has anything to do with the glow plugs, it may not have anything to do with the injectors, either -garages/ mechanics often blame injectors for almost everything- which may not be the case - limp home mode can be caused by many things including a faulty EGR valve (you should get it blanked), or a faulty sensor, or for many reasons

 

I take it you got the codes read?-  what fault codes came up?

 

Is it a TDCI 130 with a vnt (variable nozzle turbo) and a pnumatic turbo actuator with a front mounted EGR? (pictures (of the engine) would help)  



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:43 PM

I will hunt down the aux input tomorrow.

 

The injectors have been changed today to brand new ford parts and the car is already running so much better.  It is going to my own trusted mechanic for a full service and once over tomorrow.  It badly needs an oil change and we think it's always had cheap supermarket diesel in it.

 

The car has been super accelerated on the motorway (within the speed limit) and did not cut out once - no flashing error codes and the engine sounding much happier.  

 

It is a 2l TDCI 130 but that's all I know - I'm such a typical woman.Also the alloys are a complete mess!  

 

What's recommended - refurbs or replacements?  

 

Pics of the car and engine tomorrow when I've taken it for a bath haha :-)



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:18 PM

 

The injectors have been changed today to brand new ford parts and the car is already running so much better.  It is going to my own trusted mechanic for a full service and once over tomorrow.  .

 

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.Also the alloys are a complete mess!  

 

What's recommended - refurbs or replacements?  

Just as a matter of intrest how much is this costing in total?

 

I was going to get my alloys (early Ford - the lightest they made) professionally shot-blasted and powder coated (Fords paint does not last but that will)

 

Trouble was they wanted £250 to do this - i could (just about) get a discounted set of new alloys  or a nice set of alloys with tyres secondhand on ebay for that kind of money  

 

If you get a second set of wheels you can put snow/ winter tyres on them and use them for the winter - bonus is you wont mind so much if you bounce them off a kerb,  pothole etc

 

I hear a lot of nonsense about supermarket fuel online   

 

The Delphi injectors (all mk3 TDCIs 2000-2007) don't "like" modern low- sulphor fuel (produced after 2007)- the sulphor helped to lubricate the injectors/ etc - the sulphor was removed for ecological/ emissions reasons and replaced with a small amount (5-7%) of bio-diesel (veg oil)  whether its the cheapest supermarket stuff or the most expensive "premium" brand - the car/ injectors were never even designed for it!

 

in 2006/ 7,(or therabouts) Ford even released a statement saying their diesels could not run on more than 5% bio-diesel - modern pump fuel has upto 7% :lol:



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:51 AM

It has cost me a grand total of naff all for the injectors because I pulled the trader up on the car not being fit for purpose so he actually replaced them for free.

 

I found my aux input in the glove box - thanks! :-)

 

It's had a full service today and my own mechanic has confirmed that my new injectors are indeed brand new and working well.

 

So it's just my alloys which I will sort as it's just a cosmetic issue - it looks like someone has been kerbing it regularly on the passenger side.

 

So basically it doesn't matter which station I use to fill it up?  How often should I put something like redex in?

 

Thanks again for all your advice :-)



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

how does he know theyre brand new?just outta curiousity

and if they are,dont EVER put redex in it,or forte etc,UNLESS it needs it for mot etc.

I was a fan of forte until last week when I got a £800 bill for new injectors. Diesel specialist said we shouldnt ever add any conditioner/cleaner unless it really needs it. He's been at it for over 35yrs so would trust him without question



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:31 PM

well how am I supposed to know that?  I'm not a mechanic.  They still have the sticker codes intact I guess. Whether or not they are brand new is irrelevant really anyway - they are working - that's all I need to know,  I will not put treatments in then - thanks for the warning.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:34 PM

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 02:01 AM

As for the wheels, as you are in Lancashire, a friend of mine does wheel refurbs in and around the Preston area if that is any help?

 

Personally, I fitted a set of Jaguar alloys to mine, which required a full set of different wheel nuts as the mounting holes have squared seats and fords are tapered, Mitsibishi ones work fine :D



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Posted 10 August 2013 - 07:27 AM

Preston is within travelling distance for the right price - what are we talking per wheel?  Mine are a disgrace.  

 

Engine wise car is running sweet now - a fuel pump valve has also been changed and I have had no problems since. Yay! 



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Posted 10 August 2013 - 08:39 PM

I've dropped him a message, as soon as I know, I'll let you know :-)



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